So, uhm. . .?

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It's just real easy. Own your own behavior. IF you don't, expect an infraction. Nothing personal about it. Not a matter of like, dislike, but a matter of a set of rules to be respected by all that participate.
 

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Even though I've been a member for the last two years or so, I still haven't grasped the idea of banning people. If they're strolls who deliberately joined to cause troubles, then of course they deserve to be banned, but if they're good, long standing members then I fail to see what we'll accomplish by banning them?

I understand the necessary of rules and the consequences that follow if rules are broken. But if every times a person breaks a rule, he/she will get banned - then eventually there will be no more people on the forum!, or at the very least, there will be no more passionate people who dare speaking their minds & voicing their opinions against the current.

Plus, I can't help but shiver at the thoughts that every time a person sins, God will ban him/her from entering His Church & receiving His mercy. It is indeed a very scary thought.

When some people get soooo passionate about something to the point that they loose their temper defending it.. They may violate a few rules in doing so.. (I assume this is the most common reason people get banned), but isn't it more benefit for us to give them a chance to recognize their mistakes, learn from them & be better, and take each occassion as a chance for all of us to learn with them - than to disown & thus loose them & all chances forever?
 

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3M--that is an admirable philosophy. And a person should ideally be judged by the sum total of their actions and not by an isolated incident......but that is not the system in place here.
 

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3M--that is an admirable philosophy. And a person should ideally be judged by the sum total of their actions and not by an isolated incident......but that is not the system in place here.
Why do you say that? I think Red's case is a strong example of the opposite.
 

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Red helped so many people on this board. In fact, she gave me terrific advice for dealing with Boris the night she was banned. I can't imagine that the sum total of her activities was negative. I miss her presence here all the time. She was probably the best source of general dog and puppy info we had.

I find her banning very sad.
 

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Even though I've been a member for the last two years or so, I still haven't grasped the idea of banning people. If they're strolls who deliberately joined to cause troubles, then of course they deserve to be banned, but if they're good, long standing members then I fail to see what we'll accomplish by banning them?

I understand the necessary of rules and the consequences that follow if rules are broken. But if every times a person breaks a rule, he/she will get banned - then eventually there will be no more people on the forum!, or at the very least, there will be no more passionate people who dare speaking their minds & voicing their opinions against the current.

Plus, I can't help but shiver at the thoughts that every time a person sins, God will ban him/her from entering His Church & receiving His mercy. It is indeed a very scary thought.

When some people get soooo passionate about something to the point that they loose their temper defending it.. They may violate a few rules in doing so.. (I assume this is the most common reason people get banned), but isn't it more benefit for us to give them a chance to recognize their mistakes, learn from them & be better, and take each occassion as a chance for all of us to learn with them - than to disown & thus loose them & all chances forever?
We're not God and we're not a church, we're members at a dog forum. But I get what you're saying. ;)

Your idea is admirable. It is not easy to get banned here (well, for the troll-types it is). BIG rules have to be broken, or a great number of them have to be broken, in order for someone to be banned.

Generally speaking, there are only so many times in which one can break so many rules and receive so many chances. When enough is enough, and the person is not learning from their past mistakes, that person is banned. No one ever wants to see it come to that point, but that is sometimes the only option that we are left with.
 

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Even though I've been a member for the last two years or so, I still haven't grasped the idea of banning people. If they're strolls who deliberately joined to cause troubles, then of course they deserve to be banned, but if they're good, long standing members then I fail to see what we'll accomplish by banning them?

I understand the necessary of rules and the consequences that follow if rules are broken. But if every times a person breaks a rule, he/she will get banned - then eventually there will be no more people on the forum!, or at the very least, there will be no more passionate people who dare speaking their minds & voicing their opinions against the current.
I think there is a way to be passionate and respectful. There are a lot of people here who have unique opinions or values and I really appreciate that. I don't think that being passionate, or even opinionated, requires any level of disrespect or other "rule-breaking".

As well, I don't think that anyone should be exempt from the rules simply because they've been here for a long time. I could see exercising some understanding towards those who are well known on the forum... If it's an isolated outburst or very out-of-character behaviour from someone we all know to be otherwise calm and reserved I can understand that. But no, I don't think being on the forum for a long time gives you a license to disrupt others.

And, to address the question of what there is to gain from banning longstanding members, I will say that some peoples' personalities, attitudes and ways of addressing others (not necessasrily commenting specifically on the person in question here) can be very offensive and can actually drive new members away. I know of a least a few members who have been so turned off by the attitude they've been met with that they've either reduced their participation on the forum or abandoned it altogether. At least two of these people too exception to the same forum member.
 

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We're not God and we're not a church, we're members at a dog forum. But I get what you're saying. ;)
Hahaha. Of course we're not God nor a church.. but thanks for understand what I was trying to say.

Your idea is admirable. It is not easy to get banned here (well, for the troll-types it is). BIG rules have to be broken, or a great number of them have to be broken, in order for someone to be banned.

Generally speaking, there are only so many times in which one can break so many rules and receive so many chances. When enough is enough, and the person is not learning from their past mistakes, that person is banned. No one ever wants to see it come to that point, but that is sometimes the only option that we are left with.
I understand rules are rules.. but still wish there are other ways than permanently banning someone from the forum.
 

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3M--that is an admirable philosophy. And a person should ideally be judged by the sum total of their actions and not by an isolated incident......but that is not the system in place here.
I'm not a mod.. never beeen a mod and never will be a mod... but even I can see this was not an isolated incident. In the years I have been here I have seen said member given a temporary suspension in the past because of similar behaviours. it's not like the mods were just out one night thinking hmmm let's ban someone. Not to try to start trouble but this had been a long time coming actually. definitely NOT an isolated incident.
 

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OK, fine, have it your way. I still miss her and think the forum is considerably poorer for her loss. Haven't most of us lost our tempers and said things we shouldn't at various times? I know I have.
 

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I've been wondering where red's been, I haven't seen her in a while.

I can understand and I'm not upset that the rules must be followed and I don't fault the site for enforcing them.

Though it doesn't stop me from feeling sad that she is no longer a member of chaz. :(
 

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I think there is a way to be passionate and respectful. There are a lot of people here who have unique opinions or values and I really appreciate that. I don't think that being passionate, or even opinionated, requires any level of disrespect or other "rule-breaking".
Agree whole-heartedly. However, one may interprete things differently at different times. Sometimes, a person may not meant for something he/she says to hurt or offense others - yet it does nontheless. When I first came here, I had such a hard time when people jokingly told me to "shut up", because in Vietnam, telling someone to shut up is the most disrespectful thing that can be done to him/her. Even though I KNEW that I was not being disrespected, and the person meant no harm - I FELT disrespected. Now that I'm getting used to hearing/using the word, it looses its meaning.. I am still being mindful never to say it to newcomers though :)

And, to address the question of what there is to gain from banning longstanding members, I will say that some peoples' personalities, attitudes and ways of addressing others (not necessasrily commenting specifically on the person in question here) can be very offensive and can actually drive new members away. I know of a least a few members who have been so turned off by the attitude they've been met with that they've either reduced their participation on the forum or abandoned it altogether. At least two of these people too exception to the same forum member.
I understand what you're saying.
 

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I've been wondering where red's been, I haven't seen her in a while.

I can understand and I'm not upset that the rules must be followed and I don't fault the site for enforcing them.

Though it doesn't stop me from feeling sad that she is no longer a member of chaz. :(
That's my thoughts too pretty much.
 

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OK, fine, have it your way. I still miss her and think the forum is considerably poorer for her loss. Haven't most of us lost our tempers and said things we shouldn't at various times? I know I have.
have it my way? I"m not sure what that's about. Just saying that this isn't the first incident like you were implying it was. I had nothing against her but I can see why it happened. I certainly wasn't rallying around for her to get banned... so I don't know why this would be "having it my way"

I also know it sucks to have someone you feel close to get banned. This was quite some time ago... probably 2 years or more. Someone I was friends with got banned and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why and I was very angry about it. but... we kept in touch outside of chaz and life went on for both of us and everyone else. It sucked at the time and I was mad... even left chaz for a while. but chaz went out without us and we went on without chaz and then eventually I came back... I wanted to be here so why was I punishing only myself by refusing to come back... it wasn't hurting the forum any to not have me here. I just can't stay away. it's a sickness really.
 

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OK, fine, have it your way. I still miss her and think the forum is considerably poorer for her loss. Haven't most of us lost our tempers and said things we shouldn't at various times? I know I have.
Agreed. I come across as brash and rude frequently, even though it's not my particular intent (at least not most of the time).
I think she contributed quite a bit to the forum, especially in light of some of the recent events (such as Fran's puppies getting the help they needed) and all the good info she had to offer - I will miss her.
 

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I think everyone is missing the part where it was a temporary thing, not permanent. It takes A LOT to get permanently banned here...this is more of a "time-out".
 

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I truly hope you are right, Zoom. Some of us here are more dispensible than others. I, for example, may be the greatest person in the world, but I bring no special expertise to this forum. Chaz would go on without me without a ripple.

Red, like a few others, leaves the forum considerably poorer for her absence. If you look at her history you will find that she gave wonderful advice to many over a very long time,.

She gave of herself, her time and knowledge, unselfishly. Granted, she has a temper, and can be pretty snarky, but only when goaded by others intentionally or unintentionally. She is also passionate about many aspects of dogs and dog breeding.

I think everyone is missing the part where it was a temporary thing, not permanent. It takes A LOT to get permanently banned here...this is more of a "time-out".
 

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