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I found a trainer on the internet and went to see his training methods the week before this past Saturday. I was really impressed. They had the dogs outside on a down-stay with the owners about the length of a football field away and over a hill where the dogs couldn't see them. None of the dogs broke the down-stay. At the end we talked to him and his brother who also was a trainer and has a facility at his house. He invited us to come Saturday and pratice with them for free to see how we like it.

It was great! He has a stress agility course that takes all of 2 hrs. to finish. Then he also does traking, obedience and protection. Sly and Mickey did really well. I couldn't be happier.:D well, that was the highlight of my weekend.
 

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Congratulations! Always good to hear positive things about someone's trainer. Those are the ones you and your dog will have a relationship with, for years to come!
 
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I like his methods. Sly was dog aggressive. During our 4H show the person who was going to be my mentor came to watch. She one of her dogs with her. He bit her trying to get to her dog. She told us to get rid of him. give him to a farm so that he can just herd the rest of his life and have no contact with other dogs because he will always be aggressive.

He's real aggressive now:rolleyes: When he's weaving inbetween dogs and climbing over dogs on stairs and anything else on their course.


One lesson and he is no longer aggressive.

And he has improved in obedience. i will give him the command one time and he will do it. He will come when i call him. He won't break his stays. We are going to start to wean him off his leash and collar now.
 

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Sounds to good to be true. Awesome.
No way. It is "...without a doubt, the best dog training system to be found on earth today." (From the website) And instead of testimonials, they took their clients to court and got "Testimonies".

Purdue, how did they make such a remarkable improvement with your dog in one lesson? What techniques did they use? Is it something that you can share with us?
 
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He uses old German training philosophies. His methods are like Colonel conrad Most and William Koehler. Some of their techniques he agrees with and some he doesn't, but it is close.

He uses a stave to correct bad behavior such as being aggressive to another dog or a person. When you are in real advanced obedience and have no leash or collar on the dog you use it then too, but other than that it is hard leash corrections.

A stave is a stick about 2-3 feet long that is flexible and unbreakable. it should sting like a bee sting when you correct your dog with it. Its what he used on sly when he started lunging off the leash. Now i can walk through 20 dogs without sly even looking at them.


Herschel, what do you mean they took their clients to court and got testimonials? Over half of the people who are on that page still come to his training classes. I've met them. And the first two testimonials are from trainers that work with richling.
 

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He uses old German training philosophies. His methods are like Colonel conrad Most and William Koehler. Some of their techniques he agrees with and some he doesn't, but it is close.

He uses a stave to correct bad behavior such as being aggressive to another dog or a person. When you are in real advanced obedience and have no leash or collar on the dog you use it then too, but other than that it is hard leash corrections.

A stave is a stick about 2-3 feet long that is flexible and unbreakable. it should sting like a bee sting when you correct your dog with it. Its what he used on sly when he started lunging off the leash. Now i can walk through 20 dogs without sly even looking at them.
So you hit your dog with a stick until he stops responding to other dogs?

After you're done training, can your dog play with the others? How does your dog react to dogs you meet at the park, can they still romp around together?

Herschel, what do you mean they took their clients to court and got testimonials? Over half of the people who are on that page still come to his training classes. I've met them. And the first two testimonials are from trainers that work with richling.
I was just picking on the website. Instead of "Testimonials" it has "Testimonies".
 
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He hit him one time with the stick and said that every time he starts lunging hit him with it on his thigh. I only had to use it once. He does not use treats or positive reinforcement methods. all he uses is verbal praise. He doesn't believe in treat-training.

after training we stand around and talk usually about training methods and how our dogs are doing in training. We don't let the dogs play. they just lay around next to us and close to each other. By the time we get done with just obedience pratice the dogs just want to sleep because they are put in a lot of stressful situations like a sit-stay on a picnic table working on command refusal.

Waterfront Park is where we train. Its not a dog park so it has no fences. He patrols it with zadok his Dutch shepherd dog after pratice. he has his book on his website.
 

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That's not training. That's mistreatment. :( You're happy with it. Your dog has to live a lifetime with the consequences. Not something I'd be able to stomach.
 

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Too bad I love Meg so much; I'd love to take her to someone like this and see how they handled her. I'm pretty sure 1 or 2 sessions would result in a ruined dog.
 
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My dog is fine. It hasn't ruined him at all. Its not mistreatment. Dogs correct each other with their teeth all the time. its no different. Its the same sting you get from 4 large canines as you get with a stave.

What's inhumane:
You correcting a dog that broke a stay with a harsh correction the first time so it won't break it again or not correcting it and it runs out in the road and gets hit and killed because you didn't correct it when it broke the stay?

I would rather have to correct a dog harshly than have a dead dog.

From the website:

Bribery, begging and ignoring are the principle techniques employed in positive-reinforcement training, and yet, this training is often touted as “humane”. In reality, the exact opposite is true. The definition of humane is: inclined to treat the lower orders of animals with regard or kind concern. How in the world can a training system be humane when its methods do not yield solid results or work under stress and therefore allow the dogs to be overwhelmed by the distracting world around them? When a dog breaks a “stay” command outside, the possibility exists for that dog to run into the path of a moving vehicle, etc. Knowingly training your dog in a system which allows dogs to break pivotal commands such as “stay” much more closely resembles a game of Russian roulette than “kind concern”. A humane training system will yield dogs that are solid in their obedience 100% of the time out of kind concern for the welfare and safety of the dogs.
 

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Some people think its a great idea to whack their children too..and say, oh they are fine. The child then grows up to have issues and.. But no one can ask the dog now can they.

You are not training your dog to not be aggressive, you are training her to be more afraid of you than the other dogs.

And you can train HIGHLY consistent behaviours with NO punishment. Animals way less agreable than dogs are trained by positive methods. I believe the Brelands (who trained 100's of species) had a 98% responce rate...which is extreemly high. Using NO PUNISHMENT.

So if you are happy with this, fine. But don't for a moment let someone sucker you into believing it is better, more reliable or faster. I do competitive obed, I can leave my stud dog in a group stay beside girls in heat and leave. He stays. I have never whacked him, or corrected him in anyway for breaking a stay.

And why would your dog need to stay off leash near a road?
 

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Some people think its a great idea to whack their children too..and say, oh they are fine. The child then grows up to have issues and.. But no one can ask the dog now can they.

You are not training your dog to not be aggressive, you are training her to be more afraid of you than the other dogs.

And you can train HIGHLY consistent behaviours with NO punishment. Animals way less agreable than dogs are trained by positive methods. I believe the Brelands (who trained 100's of species) had a 98% responce rate...which is extreemly high. Using NO PUNISHMENT.

So if you are happy with this, fine. But don't for a moment let someone sucker you into believing it is better, more reliable or faster. I do competitive obed, I can leave my stud dog in a group stay beside girls in heat and leave. He stays. I have never whacked him, or corrected him in anyway for breaking a stay.

And why would your dog need to stay off leash near a road?
Ditto. Exactly.
 

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He hit him one time with the stick and said that every time he starts lunging hit him with it on his thigh. I only had to use it once. He does not use treats or positive reinforcement methods. all he uses is verbal praise. He doesn't believe in treat-training.

after training we stand around and talk usually about training methods and how our dogs are doing in training. We don't let the dogs play. they just lay around next to us and close to each other. By the time we get done with just obedience pratice the dogs just want to sleep because they are put in a lot of stressful situations like a sit-stay on a picnic table working on command refusal.

Waterfront Park is where we train. Its not a dog park so it has no fences. He patrols it with zadok his Dutch shepherd dog after pratice. he has his book on his website.
Our trainer always says that, at the end of the day, dogs just need to be dogs. I asked if you allow the dogs to play because I think playing is major part of being a healthy canine. Does your dog have the ability, motivation, or mental stability to be able to play with other dogs after having gone through this training?
 
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