Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

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I can't help but feel that a dog has so many chances to bond before they just don't try anymore. First start out the gate, if wishes were horses would be the only one, straight from Mama to a new home that will cherish them until they day they cross the bridge. When they are returned for not being quite right, or a good fit, or for any reason other than a health reason that would be on the breeder for letting them go in the first place, that first chance is robbed from them. Not saying that a dog won't bond again, or even again after that, but I have met too many 3 and four time "losers" not saying the dog is the loser, but the people they came across sure were thinking that a puppy or dog would fit like a puzzle piece and they don't right off the bat. OR the can't handle the now seperation anxieties that have been created by succeeding losses. Making the dog all the harder to place. Each time, less trust, each time, less chance of having that miracle to me of partnership. THEy end up being their own dog, and most people are not looking for that, they are looking for just about the opposite. I wish i had a magic wand to put over all the babies that they have the best luck ever and are received with adoring, patient, and common sense arms. I could like people a whole lot more if that was the case. This puppy has been cheated of round one. I pray with all my heart that round two, will be the opposite.
If it makes you feel any better, the first Stafford I owned was almost 4 when I got him, and I was his 4th home. He'd also spent time back at his breeder's, and was with a rescuer for a month or 2 before being shipped to me. We bonded the moment he stepped out of his crate at the airport.

He was with me for 10 years, and euthanized (due to severe kidney failure) in my lap.
 
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Hobie was 9 months old when I got him and we bonded very quickly. He is almost 13 now and I hope to god we have at least a couple more years.
 

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Well, I think Allie said it as well as anyone can. Dianna, I really appreciate you coming on and stating your position.

I so just want to be happy Bullseye has a great new home and. . .the end. But I do fear very terribly for the next dog who doesn't fit in. :(
 

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It took Lily a whole week to figure out I wasn't going to dump her on the street like her first owner did. I had to carry her in/out of the car, up/down stairs, etc. When she finally figured it out she got the hugest grin. It hasn't left either. I can't believe that will be five years ago next month. :D

Scout decided I was her person from the second she met me. It took some convincing for me, but I finally took her because I'd worked with her enough to get attached and I couldn't bear to see them dump her at the shelter when they were done with her. I'm her third home. She trusts me enough to try anything and a lot of things scare the crap out of her so that is saying a lot. I can't imagine turning your back on that kind of devotion. It'll be three years in April that she's been with me. I told both the girls they are required to stick around till they are least 14 lol.

Lily will always have her eating disorder from being dumped to starve and Scout will always be an odd duck, but I sure wouldn't trade them. If I ever met the douche who dumped Lily to starve he'd have a real bad day mkay. ;)
 

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If it makes you feel any better, the first Stafford I owned was almost 4 when I got him, and I was his 4th home. He'd also spent time back at his breeder's, and was with a rescuer for a month or 2 before being shipped to me. We bonded the moment he stepped out of his crate at the airport.

He was with me for 10 years, and euthanized (due to severe kidney failure) in my lap.
That's beautiful.
 

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From the moment I laid eyes on Bandit I knew he was something special. Took us a bit of time to figure each other out and for him to move in to my home... but we both just knew we were meant to be.
 

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Belle would have no ill effects if she was shipped from home to home to home I don't think. As long as she's fed and is allowed on the furniture I don't think she cares where or who she lives with lol

Beezer is another story. he was a WRECK when we went to see him at the shelter. they had to carry him up the steps, He was WILD in the room and bit the lady holding his leash (not bit per say. he was trying to pull off the leash and grabbed it with his mouth and then "re gripped" and got her thumb in the process), he was a neurotic mess. I thought there is no way I'm bringing this dog home when I'm about to have a baby. Then they asked if we wanted to try walking him but warned us that no one has been successful in walking him anywhere on a leash but we were welcome to try. I figured it was an exercise in futility but what the hey. They snapped the leash on, he went wild. They handed the leash to hubby and suddenly we had a different dog. We went outside and went for a nice walk with him and Belle together and he was calm and good and we knew then he had to come home with us lol

He is absolutely hubby's dog. Beezer lives for Brian lol. He'll take me in a pinch but he really pines away for "daddy" lol. it was a long time though before he wasn't so anxious and worried about being shipped out again. We've had him for almost 6 years and he's FINALLY realized that he's with us for good and he's not going anywhere. Just over a year ago we had a friend dog sit while we were out of town and everytime he would dog sit he would tell us that Beezer would hole up somewhere and not come out. He would just pout the whole time until we came home. Like even after all these years he was convinced we were never coming back. He still doesn't like it when we go away on vacation but he's come to understand that when the dog sitter comes it's only temporary and he doesn't hide anymore. he's finally showing some confidence in his role in our family. If there was ever a reason that he couldn't stay with us anymore we would have to euthanize him. he could absolutely not handle another rehoming. it would destroy him.
 

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I got Saxon when he was 5 months old. We brought him home the first time we met him and he was following me around the house that same day. Some dogs just cope better. The good news about the Fila puppy is that the breeder has said that he is doing well in his home.

What I am worried about here is future puppies that may end up in Teal's "care." She doesn't seem even the least bit remorseful about what she did to this puppy.
 

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I got Saxon when he was 5 months old. We brought him home the first time we met him and he was following me around the house that same day. Some dogs just cope better. The good news about the Fila puppy is that the breeder has said that he is doing well in his home.

What I am worried about here is future puppies that may end up in Teal's "care." She doesn't seem even the least bit remorseful about what she did to this puppy.
She doesn't seem remorseful because she doesn't seem to understand that she did anything wrong. She thinks the puppy was in fine condition

I don't think it was malicious, I just think she really has no idea what was wrong with the pup or that there was any wrong doing. She really can't see it.
 

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x 3. I'd like to say, "Oh, her emotion isn't coming through because she's typing and we can't see what she's feeling." I really would love to comfort myself with that rationalization. But I know that's not what's happening here, especially with the callous way she talked about Bullseye in the beginning of this thread.
I went through a rough patch with Fable, at about 6 months. I realized that I wasn't ready for another dog yet after Lucy died, and I'd rushed into things. On top of that, she's a very feisty pup and I certainly wouldn't recommend her to to a first time dog owner. Sometimes I was just exhausted making sure all her needs were met. But damnit, I did make sure her needs were met, not just basic care, but exercise and mental stimulation and everything else to make sure she was happy and thriving. Sometimes I was a little emotional, but she was (and is) a great puppy, and no interaction with her was "bad."
 

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i think its why this thread should stay open, as a warning to anyone else she might try to get a dog from, i hope everyone has had a head's up. as a rescuerer who sees cruel treatment & abuse on a regular schedule, i would hate to see something like this happen to another dog.

it wasnt that she didnt get along with the puppy that got me, i havent gotten along with all of my puppies either, i didnt get along with Izze (my best dog) or Josefina when they were young, but they both turned into great dogs because i (albiet complaining alot through it all LOL) stuck it out for the long haul. it sounds like she didnt even give this puppy a chance :(
 

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She doesn't seem remorseful because she doesn't seem to understand that she did anything wrong. She thinks the puppy was in fine condition

I don't think it was malicious, I just think she really has no idea what was wrong with the pup or that there was any wrong doing. She really can't see it.
See I feel different with the first posts in this thread and the ones right after the abuse came out it was obvious something was wrong with the puppy.
 

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She doesn't seem remorseful because she doesn't seem to understand that she did anything wrong. She thinks the puppy was in fine condition

I don't think it was malicious, I just think she really has no idea what was wrong with the pup or that there was any wrong doing. She really can't see it.
This is what I wanted to think, but if she thought the puppy was in "fine" condition, why did she:

1. Lie about the dates her photos were taken and erase the time stamps?

2. Lie about contacting Dianna to return him in the first place?

3. Make this thread? She hadn't contacted Dianna, so the whole bunch of questions about returning Bullseye and "Rant" was fabricated. Why fabricate a story around a dog that she thinks is in fine condition? She even admitted earlier in the thread that Bullseye's condition in Dianna's photos was not good, but then tried to say he didn't look like that when Dianna picked him up. Now she'd admitting he did.

There is a disconnect. BUT, the very creation of this thread says to me that she knew what she did was wrong. That she knew he was in bad shape. And that she knew she needed to fabricate a story to cover his impending disappearance.

ETA: To me the disconnect is between her actions to cover up the abuse, and her seeming disconnectedness from what she did. Clearly she knows she abused him or she wouldn't have gone out of her way to conceal it.
 

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This is what I wanted to think, but if she thought the puppy was in "fine" condition, why did she:

1. Lie about the dates her photos were taken and erase the time stamps?

2. Lie about contacting Dianna to return him in the first place?

3. Make this thread? She hadn't contacted Dianna, so the whole bunch of questions about returning Bullseye and "Rant" was fabricated. Why fabricate a story around a dog that she thinks is in fine condition? She even admitted earlier in the thread that Bullseye's condition in Dianna's photos was not good, but then tried to say he didn't look like that when Dianna picked him up. Now she'd admitting he did.

There is a disconnect. BUT, the very creation of this thread says to me that she knew what she did was wrong. That she knew he was in bad shape. And that she knew she needed to fabricate a story to cover his impending disappearance.

ETA: To me the disconnect is between her actions to cover up the abuse, and her seeming disconnectedness from what she did. Clearly she knows she abused him or she wouldn't have gone out of her way to conceal it.
I think she knew it was wrong in an intellectual sense, but not in a moral sense. She knew other people would view it as wrong...(whatever that really means) (her perspective, not mine) But she didn't FEEL the wrongness of it. I am pretty sure she isn't capable of feeling the wrongness of it because I think empathy is completely absent.:(
 

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