PeTA calling for 400 pitbulls to be killed
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That would be great. The challenge is that 400 additional dogs would put quite a strain on their resources (Best Friends/Dogtown has about total 1700 animals of all kinds according to their website).
According to Dogtown, about 5 million dogs and cats are euthanized in the U.S. every year. Many people, including the author of the article mentioned at the start of this thread, and the Dogtown folks think we can reduce that a LOT. But no one believes it can happen quickly.
The thankless task for shelters today is deciding which dogs must die.
According to Dogtown, about 5 million dogs and cats are euthanized in the U.S. every year. Many people, including the author of the article mentioned at the start of this thread, and the Dogtown folks think we can reduce that a LOT. But no one believes it can happen quickly.
The thankless task for shelters today is deciding which dogs must die.
I will say, that with perhaps a few particularly tragic exceptions that should be kept at a sanctuary out of pity, I don't support keeping dogs that are unadoptable alive. There are too many adoptable dogs dying out there. Its not something I like to admit, but with limit resources, and SO many adoptable dogs being destroyed, I don't see the point in keeping dogs that are unadoptable because they are aggressive, ill, or unmanagable. Especially when those spaces and resources will be need for the NEXT dog fighting bust, if only as temporary accomidation.
We are putting together a Chaz care package. See here http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t102538/
for those interested in donating other places as well, badrap is trying to raise money to build a barn in which they'd be able to house rescue dogs, especially ones coming out of emergency situations like this one. BAD RAP Blog: Did somebody say fundraiser? Help us build a barn!
And October? 
We're donating to both BR and HSMO... HSMO needs supplies/people more than money and BR needs money more than supplies, so keep that in mind when deciding what needs to go where. Here's our breakdown: Paco Collars - Unique Leather Products for You and Your Dog
Additionally I'll be taking a bust dog through BR's obedience class.
We're donating to both BR and HSMO... HSMO needs supplies/people more than money and BR needs money more than supplies, so keep that in mind when deciding what needs to go where. Here's our breakdown: Paco Collars - Unique Leather Products for You and Your Dog
Additionally I'll be taking a bust dog through BR's obedience class.
Problem is, H$U$ isn't targeting the thug dog fighters -- they're targeting the OLD dog yards who USED to match dogs, but are the backbone of the true, WELL BRED APBT.
H$U$ doesn't want to stop dog fighting; they don't want to ban "Pit Bulls;" they want to eradicate the entire breed and once they've accomplished that, the question is, "who's next?"
H$U$ doesn't want to stop dog fighting; they don't want to ban "Pit Bulls;" they want to eradicate the entire breed and once they've accomplished that, the question is, "who's next?"
Renee, that is quite a serious charge.
If you have evidence that the HSUS along with the Humane Society of Missouri, the ASPCA, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, The U.S. Marshals Service and the United States Attorney have conspired in this raid to target legitimate breeders and these are not fighting dogs please point us to it.
If you have evidence that the HSUS along with the Humane Society of Missouri, the ASPCA, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, The U.S. Marshals Service and the United States Attorney have conspired in this raid to target legitimate breeders and these are not fighting dogs please point us to it.
No, these folks probably ARE dog fighters . . . but HSUS and PETA didn't do this bust. HSMO and the ASPCA did. I'm strongly inclined to believe them.
And to be sure, HSUS has gone after the thugs. But they have also targeted people who haven't fought dogs in years, since it was banned . . .people who were acquitted of all charges . . . AFTER all their dogs were killed.
REnee isn't saying there are no dog fighters and all busts are frauds . . . just that HSUS and PETA have ulterior motives, and all too often are accpeted as "Experts" and given authority they should not have.
And to be sure, HSUS has gone after the thugs. But they have also targeted people who haven't fought dogs in years, since it was banned . . .people who were acquitted of all charges . . . AFTER all their dogs were killed.
REnee isn't saying there are no dog fighters and all busts are frauds . . . just that HSUS and PETA have ulterior motives, and all too often are accpeted as "Experts" and given authority they should not have.
kinda like the boudreaux dogs, eh? the ones that were dead within three days of seizure and then boudreaux and his son were acquitted because the state could not prove their case.
i haven't a clue whether the people busted in this case were dog fighters or not. michael vick certainly was. but the HSUS does have a sketchy past when it comes to this sort of thing.
i haven't a clue whether the people busted in this case were dog fighters or not. michael vick certainly was. but the HSUS does have a sketchy past when it comes to this sort of thing.
I just wanted to cross-post something Donna from BADRAP posted on another board (pretty sure it's okay since she does say "You can quote this"). It is a sign that the HSUS is finally cooperating.
"i will tell you - and you can quote me on this - we've had nothing but honest cooperation from the hsus since this policy went into effect. There have been numerous busts this year including the big one in MO, and most everyone is finally working together to get some* kind of help for those dogs. We still have a lot of work to do, no doubt. Change is messy, good rescue help is hard to find and there are bound to be rough spots and a certain amount of drama as this new policy is put into practice, but we really can't be mad at the hsus anymore for blocking rescue efforts for bust dogs. Those days are official over."
Also, it sounds like, for the most part, they had plenty of current evidence to convict those guys. I mean, months of infiltration, videotaped matches, etc. There's some mentioned in this article: The Associated Press: Informants helped agents infiltrate dogfights
The Boudreaux (sp) case was whack because he'd stopped fighting years and years ago, was eventually found innocent, and the innocent dogs were never given a chance. These guys are currently doing it, but at least the dogs are being given a chance.
"i will tell you - and you can quote me on this - we've had nothing but honest cooperation from the hsus since this policy went into effect. There have been numerous busts this year including the big one in MO, and most everyone is finally working together to get some* kind of help for those dogs. We still have a lot of work to do, no doubt. Change is messy, good rescue help is hard to find and there are bound to be rough spots and a certain amount of drama as this new policy is put into practice, but we really can't be mad at the hsus anymore for blocking rescue efforts for bust dogs. Those days are official over."
Also, it sounds like, for the most part, they had plenty of current evidence to convict those guys. I mean, months of infiltration, videotaped matches, etc. There's some mentioned in this article: The Associated Press: Informants helped agents infiltrate dogfights
The Boudreaux (sp) case was whack because he'd stopped fighting years and years ago, was eventually found innocent, and the innocent dogs were never given a chance. These guys are currently doing it, but at least the dogs are being given a chance.
Pacopoe,
Thank you for your update. If you are correct and HSUS is working with BADRAP and the HS of Missouri to save these dogs then that is real progress.
I have just donated following your earlier link to the Humane Society of Missouri's fund. I am happy to give to an organization that is doing everything it can to end cruelty, and to save the dogs that are the victims of this cruelty.
I appreciate how your posts focus on facts and solving problems, we could all learn from you.
George
Thank you for your update. If you are correct and HSUS is working with BADRAP and the HS of Missouri to save these dogs then that is real progress.
I have just donated following your earlier link to the Humane Society of Missouri's fund. I am happy to give to an organization that is doing everything it can to end cruelty, and to save the dogs that are the victims of this cruelty.
I appreciate how your posts focus on facts and solving problems, we could all learn from you.
George
Maybe all the bad publicity H$U$ got after the Boudreaux and Wildside jobs -- where they insisted that even the young puppies were unsalvageable and worked hard to take them from the custody of the foster homes they'd been placed in -- has finally taken a toll and is forcing them to step back from their hand-in-glove participation with PETA.
I'm not holding my breath that it will continue as long as Pacelle is at the helm, though. They are hampered somewhat now that their "expert" and undercover agent has been exposed, not only as to his identity, Thomas Guffy, aka Jake Guffy, aka Jerry Wyatt, but his total lack of credentials as an expert.
I'm not holding my breath that it will continue as long as Pacelle is at the helm, though. They are hampered somewhat now that their "expert" and undercover agent has been exposed, not only as to his identity, Thomas Guffy, aka Jake Guffy, aka Jerry Wyatt, but his total lack of credentials as an expert.
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You're right on 2 counts. 1) loud, public pressure from both of those cases finally forced them to bend their hand and 2) we can't quite yet breath a sigh of relief. Personally I'm optimistic, but not naive.
There's a lot of pressure from both the outside and the inside the HSUS to take the dogs' welfare into consideration, but you still got some major jerks up top. So long as the public is loud about it, though, we can work to keep the dogs safe while these cases are heard. Whether they go back to the original owners or are put into foster care, they deserve to be alive during the process. In no other kinds of cases do authorities destroy evidence, yet it's been the standard in fight busts. Whether you care about dogs or not, that's just wrong.
I think the public will play a huge role in deciding how this will all turn out. So long as we keep the pressure on and are vocal about keeping the dogs alive, it will help shape future policy going onward.
There's a lot of pressure from both the outside and the inside the HSUS to take the dogs' welfare into consideration, but you still got some major jerks up top. So long as the public is loud about it, though, we can work to keep the dogs safe while these cases are heard. Whether they go back to the original owners or are put into foster care, they deserve to be alive during the process. In no other kinds of cases do authorities destroy evidence, yet it's been the standard in fight busts. Whether you care about dogs or not, that's just wrong.
I think the public will play a huge role in deciding how this will all turn out. So long as we keep the pressure on and are vocal about keeping the dogs alive, it will help shape future policy going onward.