Pet cloning falters . . .

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Kind of old news Genetic Savings and Clone has been out of business for quite some time.

I think there is definitely stuff to be learned from dog and cat cloning. I'm not not sure it's a for profit venture.
 

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Yeah; I think the take home message is, if the animal is not worth at least $150,000 in stud fees or offspring sales; then it's not worth cloning?
 

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Yeah; I think the take home message is, if the animal is not worth at least $150,000 in stud fees or offspring sales; then it's not worth cloning?
I think it's just acknowledging that perhaps the field was misdirected. I am very interested to see how the clones of S&R dogs developed. I am also interested to see how the Missy clones differ from each other.
 

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Why would they not all be identical physically or why could they not create all colors?
 

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That was interesting; wonder what that means for the dna used; it doesn't replicate, or it replicates in green/yellow (that was very strange).
 

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Why would they not all be identical physically or why could they not create all colors?
There are other issues other than direct inheritance. When cloning animals often the markings are different. Calico cats are a great example (though not the same as other cases)

The colour for orange and black on cats is on the X chromosome. Now in mammals both Xs are not active in females. One X becomes a barr body early on in development. One X chromosome comes from the dad, and one from the mom, so they are not identical. In the case of cats, a female cat with 2 X chromosomes, one coding for black hair and one coding for orange will get you calico (this is also why normal males can't be calico) In each cell one of the Xs is inactivated.

Now what makes it interesting is that this happens VERY early on as each daughter cell 'inherits' the inactivated X. So if early on the X containing the black gene is inactivated in cells that go on to make the dermis, you end up with an orange female. This is also why calico patterns are random and are NOT inheritable in any way.

Even in horses you end up with different markings. Same colour, just different white spots.

This is Scamper, one of the only really good examples of a need to clone commercially.


This is his clone


There are factors in the uterus on a developing embryo that create markings. Not genetic.
 
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environment also affects the expression of genes. But anyway, things are meant to change, including DNA. You either change, adapt, or get left behind. Cloning should be left to labs for scientific discovery and understanding. I don't want "carbon copies" added back into normal breeding pools.
 

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In the case of Scamper... he was gelded at a young age, but then went on to be the 10 time unbeatable world champion in barrel racing. They cloned him so they could use his clone for breeding. That to me makes sense, not loosing some of the best genes (and previously 'unpopular' ones at that)
 

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Thanks Mafia! That is SO interesting!!!
Makes me think of the old saying "life will find a way"
 

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I don't see the point in cloning pets.. Sadly people want an identical everything when they do down to personality and looks and that just doesn't happen.. But there are enough geldings out there that excel and make it big and without cloning the genetics are lost.. That I can understand.. But even then the price tag at the best of times, yeesh.
 

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If I had unlimited amounts of money, I would clone Grant. I'd want one of those glow in the dark genes thrown in too, as long as I'm dreaming.
 

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See; I could understand cloning to continue a female line; considering in many circles, the weight of the X chromosome, but does cloning contribute the same male "superior" genetics as the clone's originator?

For instance; there are 2 or 3 daughters out of Royal Blue Boon who will be used to carry on her legacy; but for Scamper; what I understand is he has a son (that we know of). Which gender is going to give you more bang for your cloning buck; as for passing on the winning genetic code (which in Scamper's case we don't know if it's possible; but in Royal Blue Boon's case; considering her offspring, we know is doable). When you clone; do you get to choice gender? Where is Dekka; she'll know the answer!
 

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