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AliciaD

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God, if I could get any Aussie to be my toy it would be Alex O'Loughlin!

Oh wait, is that not what you're talking about?

Seriously, what was it that woman down the street told me yesterday? She got a toy Jack Russel Terrier. Yep. Uh huh. Sure.
 

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Yeah I think there are "toy aussies". Some lady at Petsmart was explaining to me how hers was only 12 lbs, and my sister, who knows nothing about dogs, walked up and said "What an ugly chihuahua."
*sigh*
 

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Does she mean a mini aussie?
Nope they make them even smaller than that. I've seen some that are like, toy poodle size.

And of course they don't act like aussies AT ALL. I can tolerate making breeds "smaller" if they're essentially the same thing, just in a smaller package--but the "toy" aussies, that I've met, definitely do not fit that.
 

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Oh I know they do, but I have seen some people (including skeezy breeders) calling mini aussies toys. But yes that small is not a mini, they aren't to be smaller than 14 inches.
 

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Geeze. 11in? That's....wow.

What in the world are they bred with?
 

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Chihuahuas I guess, or Poms.

Thats just... weird. Why call it a Aussie if its not an Aussie? And if you wanted an Aussie, why not just, you know, get an Aussie?

And its impressive how many times I can say Aussie in a sentence..
 
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I hope she got it at Toys'Rus instead of oh, say...... a breeder.

Stupid people are stupid.
 

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Most of the toy "Aussies" I've met look like they're either really terrible sheltie/Pom crosses or just docked Pomeranians.

:wall: :wall: :wall:
 

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Once I went to a petstore in the midwest that sold puppies and they had a "toy aussie" for sale. It was pure white, with two blue eyes. I'll admit, was a beautiful dog, even if I don't support it.
 

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I thought the Minis were bad enough. I've met two "toys" - both cost their owners an arm and a leg. Both are around 11 or 12 inches, don't weigh more than 12 pounds. Both are very skittish and fearful, and the male is quite snappy and I'm sure he'd bite given the opportunity. Cute, kind of, not at all like an Aussie though.
 

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Nope they make them even smaller than that. I've seen some that are like, toy poodle size.

And of course they don't act like aussies AT ALL. I can tolerate making breeds "smaller" if they're essentially the same thing, just in a smaller package--but the "toy" aussies, that I've met, definitely do not fit that.
I like mini and toy Aussies, at least the ones who look and act like Aussies. I have met plenty who were just like small Aussies. A lot of ones you see from pet breeders are obviously first or second generation mixes being passed off as "mini Aussies", which don't leave most with a good impression. Lots and lots of breeds have long established miniature versions and Mini Aussies aren't that much younger than the Aussie breed (which is a relatively new breed itself). And FWIW, they are about to be accepted into AKC :cool:
 

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I'm pretty sure that the majority of "toy" Aussies are mixed with Pomeranian... they typically have that same head shape and coat.

I'm really sad that Tucker is neutered and that Rory isn't female... I could've cashed in on "toy" Border Collies. All I need are some mini sheep and we'd be all set :p
 

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I like mini and toy Aussies, at least the ones who look and act like Aussies. I have met plenty who were just like small Aussies. A lot of ones you see from pet breeders are obviously first or second generation mixes being passed off as "mini Aussies", which don't leave most with a good impression. Lots and lots of breeds have long established miniature versions and Mini Aussies aren't that much younger than the Aussie breed (which is a relatively new breed itself). And FWIW, they are about to be accepted into AKC :cool:
Uh, care to cite the references on that? Mini Aussies are VERY new, as in, the last 10 years. Most of the groups pushing for AKC recognition are also trying to get in as a separate breed, with a different name, and it all stems down to trying to get their dogs into AKC agility and jump heights.

Aussies themselves have been around since the early 1800's, with predecessors further back, but the records get a bit murky. They are one of the first breeds developed in this country.
 

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Most of the groups pushing for AKC recognition are also trying to get in as a separate breed, with a different name, and it all stems down to trying to get their dogs into AKC agility and jump heights.
Bingo.
I believe it was also the AKC that was considering a rule not too long ago (two or three years ago I think) where any dog registered as an Aussie was going to be dumped into a particular jump height, regardless of the actual size of the dog. Could have been NADAC, I don't remember.


Also:
United States Australian Shepherd Association
The Board reviewed the results of ballots by the United States Australian Shepherd Association (USASA) and the Miniature American Shepherd Club of the United States of America (MASCUSA). The ballots asked the membership for approval to open the AKC Stud Book to allow individuals to voluntarily remove dogs from the USASA Stud Book registered from the NSD pedigrees or are the descendants to create a new breed to be named the Miniature American Shepherd.

Both ballots were overwhelmingly in favor of this proposal. There was a motion by Mr. Arnold, seconded by Ms. Scully, and it was VOTED (unanimously) to consider the matter at this meeting, waiving the usual prior requirement. There was a motion by Dr. Battaglia, seconded by Dr. Smith, and it was VOTED (unanimously) to open the Stud Book for the Miniature American Shepherd for inclusion in the Foundation Stock Service with the Herding Group designation.

The decision to change a registered Australian Shepherd to Miniature American Shepherd will rest with each individual owner. Additionally, the AKC Board approved the Miniature American Shepherd of the United States of America, (MASCUSA) as the Parent Club to represent the breed.

The Miniature American Shepherd (MAS) became recognized as an AKC FSS breed effective 5/9/11. Any dog that is currently a PAL/ILP or registered Australian Shepherd may be converted at the owner’s request to a MAS. There is a form to complete and they may contact the Parent Club (Miniature American Shepherd Club of the United States of America (MASCUSA) or email [email protected] to make a request and they will send them a form. The dogs that are converted will keep their same AKC# and all awards records.
ETA: It should be noted that being an FSS breed is quite not the same as "being accepted into the AKC." It's a way for AKC to being tracking and registering the breed ($$$) and for a breed to start establishing itself as a breed that may be accepted into the AKC in the future.
 
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Bingo.
I believe it was also the AKC that was considering a rule not too long ago (two or three years ago I think) where any dog registered as an Aussie was going to be dumped into a particular jump height, regardless of the actual size of the dog. Could have been NADAC, I don't remember.
I have been told that one reason the AKC pushed to get Border Collies all the way accepted and out of the Misc. class was BC's dominating companion events. If you want to play in the AKC's sandbox, you need to play the AKC's game.

But the jump height issue is one of the most troubling things about the MAS. I read from some official correspondence that I can't place at the moment (but I could find it if anyone was interested) that any ILP dog that was in the height range of the MAS would be ILP'd as an MAS and not an Aussie. Which doesn't sound so bad, until you consider dogs that do have a known Aussie pedigree but aren't AKC Aussues (so, ASCA for example) being listed as MAS with the AKC.
 

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