My dog pissed on my gf TWICE in 10 mins

[jason_els]

P.S. - I suggest learning about dog body language. It will help you learn a great deal about what your dog is saying to you. The more I read, the more I know what my dogs are saying to me, each other, and other people. It really is like learning another human language and then using it for the first time in another country. It's thrilling to realize you're understanding what the dog is saying and, I have to say, it makes the dog happy beyond belief when he realizes that you understood his dog-language.

 

[LhasaLover]

Doberluv, I fully agree with you - I think maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough before. Sorry.

HOWEVER, their emotions are born of their life experiences, their own set of values and their own perceptions, based on the way their brains process information.... which are not quite in line with ours.

I'm not disagreeing with this at all; humans are the same way, in my opinion. Different human brains process the same input differently and we react to that accordingly. To me, animals work the same way.

 

[jason_els]

And as to the emotions thing...

Rubbish.

Dogs have emotions as do other animals. They have areas of their brains devoted to emotions just like other mammals, wired the same way. They feel fear, envy, jealousy, happiness, bewilderment, sorrow, and love. Science knows this, but I don't need a study to tell me any of these things.

Anthropomorphism is an archaic term. Using it presumes that what we experience as humans is unique to humans and, as a scientist, one cannot presume anything not proven to be in evidence.

Dogs are very special but so are other animals. Higher primates, cetaceans, other domestic animals such as horses, pigs, and cats, and some birds all seem to have at least some of the emotional range we do. Emotion is a very primitive and useful survival mechanism, particularly in social species. To think it is ours exclusively is to ignore observed behaviors and anatomical evidence.

 

[Doberluv]

Yes, Lhasa....LOL. We must have misinterpreted each other. LOL. Now I get it.

Different human brains process the same input differently and we react to that accordingly

Absolutely.

Jason....Who said that dogs don't have emotions? LOL. Did you read the entire thread?

 

[Renee750il]

P.S. - I suggest learning about dog body language. It will help you learn a great deal about what your dog is saying to you. The more I read, the more I know what my dogs are saying to me, each other, and other people. It really is like learning another human language and then using it for the first time in another country. It's thrilling to realize you're understanding what the dog is saying and, I have to say, it makes the dog happy beyond belief when he realizes that you understood his dog-language.

Not to mention your dog no longer has to hang his/her head in shame over how pitifully stupid his human is

 

[~Jessie~]

Oh, I completely believe that dogs have emotions. Don't get me wrong there. They just have their own unique set of emotions, and do not think or process information in the same way as humans do.

 

[jason_els]

I'm well aware of all the scientific theory saying that dogs don't have human emotions. But there are also some new ones that say dogs (and other animals) do indeed share some human emotions.

I was responding to this comment.

 

[dogsarebetter]

i cant belive you hit your dog.
either way, i am sure you have learned that is not the correct thing to do.

the word no is enough in my house. the word no makes Ruckus spirit break a bit! anyone with a sheltie knows how pathetic they can look after you hurt their feelings!

 

[Melissa_W]

the word no is enough in my house. the word no makes Ruckus spirit break a bit! anyone with a sheltie knows how pathetic they can look after you hurt their feelings!

Ain't that the truth! They're such sensitive little creatures!

 

[Doberluv]

I see Jason. I just wanted to make sure you had read everything because I didn't want to come off as some mechanical, cold-as-a-trout dog lover, because I am really a big mush pie when it comes to my dogs. I totally see in their faces all kinds of emotions. And they do things that are really quite amazing. I also think that there is a lot that hasn't been discovered about dogs and what they feel and think. No one knows for sure all that goes on in their heads. We sort of have to go with what we know so far.

 

[amymarley]

I could not even read the threads 2 through 4... I don't even know if his guy is still on here.

I agreee about seeking medical advise first, the dog may be telling you something. Also, I believe he said the dog was 7 months old... if he had a child, that would be child abuse.

Regardless, I am sorry to be brass, but your girlfried has prob. had worse on her, and hopefully you didn't beat her. Your dog on the other hand, may be trying to tell you something. I feel sad for the whole episode. I hope your puppy finds a good, loving, understanding home. UNLESS... you want to find out why your pup did that. Again, beating is not an answer, it's abuse. Talk to a few vets, get the dog checked out. Maybe, even, your dog is giving you a sign...dogs are very instictive... maybe you have a bad girlfriend, lol. Maybe the dog is telling you something you don't yet know. Just a thought.

 

[sam]

My sister's dog peed everytime he saw me for a year if not more. It was excitement! It was sort of like submissive peeing and he certainly was a sweet little guy but I took it as the highest form of flattery I also learned to tone down my happy greeting and be veeeery calm and non chalant when he first saw me so I didn't end up with wee on my feet :lol-sign:
If you punish submissive peeing - it only gets worse. I'm sure that's been mentioned - I didn't read through every reply. This has nothing to do with potty training.

 

[amymarley]

sam, I totally agree... it could be so many issues. You are right on target!
Amy

 

[tony_hk]

Do you love dogs? What is your reason for having this dog? I ask because it is difficult for me to empathize or relate to someone who has a dog, but then attacks it. I don't understand this how someone can love, truly love someone and then inflict pain and fear onto them. I think you need to ask yourself what your reasons are for having a dog first and if you're capable and desirous of changing your way of handling him. At that point, let us know and we'll move onto the next steps where you can learn how to re-gain his trust. (possibly) And what steps to take to repair the behaviors that you caused and how to train him PROPERLY. Let us know. Please let me know if you grasp the concept or not of what I wrote above, how dogs think and how they do not think, according to vast amounts of scientific research as well as experience of many dog people.
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Doberluv: Tks for your post. I do love him, undoubtedly. I know I did some silly thing. But I know it won't happen again. I was sleepless last night because of worry about my relationship with him. He did not bark as usual in the morning. That also made me worry.

 

[amymarley]

Hey, that shows you care. Everyone can make mistakes, it's how we deal with them later, is what counts. You got a cute pup... I am also doing an "edit"... REALLY, that is cool, you flamed up for a bit, but took the resp. also. that takes character. I admire you for it.
Take care, Amy

 

[tony_hk]

Tony, by "beating" what do you mean? Because when I think of beating I think of flogging - seriously hurting the dog. =/ It depends on the dog but if you really terrified him by hitting him (some dogs are more bombproof than others, but it sounds like your puppy is easily frightened) you will have some work to do before that dog will trust you again.

What Doberluv said is something you really need to understand with your puppy. He is not spiteful. He only does what he knows, and right now he doesn't know that outside is the only acceptable place to urinate. You need to be consistent with him and stick to a plan that will work - the link Momof2pups posted is great, I'd read that.

What is the weather like where you live? Perhaps he isn't doing much outside because he's shaved and it's too cold or hot for him?

Maybe my english is not good enough to describe it well. I did not do anything to cause injury. But it does cause pain. I hit his head and hip. I know it is wrong now

 

[tony_hk]

You've gotten some great advice here, please listen to it.

In my opinion, you really need to get it together with this dog. I understand that our dogs do things that frustrate us sometimes. But there is never a reason to hit a dog... ever. If you find yourself getting angry again, excuse yourself from the situation for a few minutes until you can think rationally. You could do serious damage to this dog if you hit him again. He's not trying to get revenge on you, dogs do not think that way. He may have a urinary tract infection. He may just need more training. If he pees in the house, it's your fault, not his. If you're going to be angry at someone, be angry at yourself.

I am also thinking of infection since he never did that before. I also found that he shakes his legs alot. and when he sit, he seems like unconfortable and stand up again!!! I was thinking it was because of the shaving. But now I will look into the infection issue.

 

[tony_hk]

you really need to teach your dog that you are a fantastic, fun, and safe person to be with. If your dog does something you don't like, don't correct him. At all. Gently get him out of the situation (ex: peeing on the rug? pick him up and carry him outside. Chewing on something inappropriate? Give him something appropriate and tastier, and pick your stuff up so he can't get to it again.).

This is what I have leant here but did not apply. Shame on myself. I will avoid using "no" now. and keep in mind "you are a fantastic, fun, and safe person to be with". That is the key, I think.

 

[RD]

Tony you've gotten some really good advice, I just wanted to say I'm proud that you have taken all of this in stride and are still trying to do the right thing. Your pup will thank you for it in the long run.

One of the baffling but wonderful things about dogs is their ability to forgive. Science will tell you a lot about how to train a dog but I truly think that beneath all their behaviors there is a very kind, understanding and unexplainable soul. Your pup will still love you despite this incident.

 

[tony_hk]

I'd like to start by addressing your statement that your male puppy still squats like a female when peeing... That's completely normal as young males don't start lifting their legs until they're several months old. The fact that you don't know that tells me you're not all that experienced with dogs.

I also got the impression you're looking for this male dog to be on the 'macho' side, and that just doesn't happen simply because he's a male. Yes, some dogs are more 'macho' than others, but those dogs can get out of control & aggressive very easily, and you really don't want that.

On the peeing incidents...

I don't necessarily agree with all the opinions here, although I do fully agree with never 'beating' a dog. Jeez, I slapped my Lhasa on the butt once when she was young and the look she gave me about destroyed me, she was so deeply hurt - and she's not a submissive type at all. I never did that again. Now when I have to physically correct her for something I flick one finger on her butt, and I only do that when she's done something dangerous, like running out into the road after something even tho I'm telling her no, and she knows she's not supposed to be out there. She has an incredibly independent streak in her and deliberately *chooses* when to behave & not behave - and she doesn't respond to treat training. You can see her start to automatically do what I've told her, then she'll stop for a second, then go on to do what she wants to do. Fortunately, she only does that once in a while, and she's a perfectly well behaved and wonderful dog all the rest of the time.

I would've interpreted the first time your dog peed as a territorial mark, or a reaction to a perceived loss of your attention to this other person. It's very possible your dog is insecure if you haven't known how to handle him properly. After taking him outside I would've brought him back in and made a big fuss of paying attention to both your girlfriend and him at the same time, and having your girlfriend do the same thing, so that he knows he's included and becomes secure with the situation.

The second time he did it, right after coming back in, I would've interpreted as rebellion. I would've told him 'no' and leashed him across the room from me for about 10 minutes. Then I would've released him to see what happens next. If he did it again, back on the leash. If he didn't, make sure you pay attention to him the same time you're paying attention to your girlfriend.

My gf also loves dog. She cried for our dog several times because of illness. She was angry about this incident because she thought she treated him so well but he pissed on her!!! Some dog friends also told us that it was a dominant issue. My gf said it was because sometime I ordered her to do something and not to do something. Just before the pissing incident, my dog was eating a bone. Then my gf tried to go close to him. I stopped her. My gf blamed me that I made my dog dominand her. Actually, I stopped her just for her safety...