Misty's Litter

[Misty+Mason]

I just want to address this. Mutts are nice but they are not the best type of dog, because a mutt by definition isn't a type. I don't think anyone here is against mutts. Some of the people you might think are trying to 'start stuff' own mixed breed dogs. This is not a forum that looks down on mutts. They do look down on the intentional breeding of mutts though. (I know yours was an oops, just saying..)

I understand what your saying.

Mutts in general are not a breed like you said, but I've heard so much that they make the bet type of dogs.

 

[MandyPug]

I understand what your saying.

Mutts in general are not a breed like you said, but I've heard so much that they make the bet type of dogs.

But no mutt will be exactly like another mutt, therefore you cannot say ALL MUTTS ARE THE BEST DOGS. Yeah they do make good pets, but it all depends on what you're looking for in your dog.

Plus some mutts are just horrible combinations for temperament, health, or trait reasons... Like Pug/Beagle, Mastiff/Poodle, Corgi/Basset.

All dogs purebred or mutts are the best type of dogs.

 

[oakash]

Fran, you said everything I was trying to think of a way of saying.


And for the record, before I came here, I wanted to breed my mutt. Because I thought puppies were cute and that it would be awesome to have more dogs like her. I'm not saying that she had puppies for that reason, because she said it was an accident. Which means something that she didn't want happening happened.

Other people here have had oops litters, and they didn't get jumped on.

Your puppies (hamsters? Gerbils? ) are adorable. So squeezable. I'm glad you found great homes for the already, that makes it much easier

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Work in rescue for a few years, you'll be less than happy to see people cheering on the cuteness of yet another irresponsible litter. Sorry guys, until you've been there you just won't understand the rightfully jaded mentality.

Are your adult dogs now altered, or at least the male and soon to be the female? Will these puppies be altered BEFORE you place them for free or a low adoption fee to contract signing, interview passing, training continuing homes?

Hearing the irresponsible owner has made an effort to change, vows to fix the problem, and will never repeat the mistake is a lot easier to stomach and there for allow those of us who have worked in rescue a lot more apt to gush and goo about puppy cuteness. Until then all we tend to see are more puppies that will either end up in the system or prevent the rehoming of puppies currently in the system.

Hard fact of life, you've got to deal with it.

 

[Danefied]

Work in rescue for a few years, you'll be less than happy to see people cheering on the cuteness of yet another irresponsible litter. Sorry guys, until you've been there you just won't understand the rightfully jaded mentality.

Are your adult dogs now altered, or at least the male and soon to be the female? Will these puppies be altered BEFORE you place them for free or a low adoption fee to contract signing, interview passing, training continuing homes?

Hearing the irresponsible owner has made an effort to change, vows to fix the problem, and will never repeat the mistake is a lot easier to stomach and there for allow those of us who have worked in rescue a lot more apt to gush and goo about puppy cuteness. Until then all we tend to see are more puppies that will either end up in the system or prevent the rehoming of puppies currently in the system.

Hard fact of life, you've got to deal with it.

:hail::hail::hail: this.

Spend a month or two in the back room of your local kill shelter and then come back and tell me how excited you are about this litter and the hundreds of others like it.
The female is over two years old and still intact. I'm sorry but that's just not an accident. Misty and Mason, you brought an intact male home with an intact female. The dog didn't show up out of the blue. You deliberately went out and got the dog, knowing your dog at home was not spayed.
Now you're trying to pass the buck and blame your friend who took care of the dogs for you. And you couldn't find someone to neuter the male? Sorry but I find that really hard to believe, as I live in BFE and can get you a dog neutered right now this minute with a few phone calls to the local spay/neuter clinics.

 

[milos_mommy]

I agree with Fran, completely.

Not only is your negativity NOT helpful....people on the internet who are having litters of puppies are opening this, seeing rude and pointless responses about these puppies, and closing the screen instead of learning something. Puppies are going to keep being born, even if you guys don't encourage it by saying they're cute. So maybe instead of bashing everyone who has puppies irresponsibly so that they want nothing to do with educated, knowledgable dog people, you could try being polite and nice and sharing some helpful information without being derogatory and rude and sounding like a broken record. Because maybe then they'll think after one litter "oh, i better fix my dogs, i make a spay/neuter contract for these puppies, i better socialize them" instead of thinking "wow, what high and mighty assholes, I'm going to go squee about my new puppies with other irresponsible owners".

 

[Misty+Mason]

:hail::hail::hail: this.

Spend a month or two in the back room of your local kill shelter and then come back and tell me how excited you are about this litter and the hundreds of others like it.
The female is over two years old and still intact. I'm sorry but that's just not an accident. Misty and Mason, you brought an intact male home with an intact female. The dog didn't show up out of the blue. You deliberately went out and got the dog, knowing your dog at home was not spayed.
Now you're trying to pass the buck and blame your friend who took care of the dogs for you. And you couldn't find someone to neuter the male? Sorry but I find that really hard to believe, as I live in BFE and can get you a dog neutered right now this minute with a few phone calls to the local spay/neuter clinics.

I'm not blaming my friend, we should have fixed him sooner, but like i said in my story, I should have done things different, if I knew how it would have turned out. People make mistakes, were only human after all. He is fixed now, its not going to happen again, I'm sorry for all I did, I feel like scum and hate that there are people on here that wish me nothing but hate because of this. I'm not doing a blame game, there is things I should have done but didn't, and I understand that, now that its done and happened, lets look to the future instead of the past.

Everytime I come on this forum and look at my topics for advise, I get sick to my stomach on who hates me now? Who is going to put me down again?

I deserve it somewhat to an extant, but everyone makes mistakes, but its no longer about the mistake, its done happened, lets get on with this and just think about now and whats to come. I know I am, but I get scared to even check here sometimes you know.

 

[Danefied]

I agree with Fran, completely.

Not only is your negativity NOT helpful....people on the internet who are having litters of puppies are opening this, seeing rude and pointless responses about these puppies, and closing the screen instead of learning something. Puppies are going to keep being born, even if you guys don't encourage it by saying they're cute. So maybe instead of bashing everyone who has puppies irresponsibly so that they want nothing to do with educated, knowledgable dog people, you could try being polite and nice and sharing some helpful information without being derogatory and rude and sounding like a broken record. Because maybe then they'll think after one litter "oh, i better fix my dogs, i make a spay/neuter contract for these puppies, i better socialize them" instead of thinking "wow, what high and mighty assholes, I'm going to go squee about my new puppies with other irresponsible owners".

I refuse to be blamed for others' lack of responsibility.

I'm just saying that those of us who work in rescue have feelings too. This is a DOG forum after all, and I seek it out because there are other knowledgeable folks on here. I don't go to a faculty meeting to say how frustrated I am with all the "oops" litters showing up, anymore than I come here to vent my frustration about how plagiarism is so rampant these days.

I've never understood why its so important to spare the feelings of the one who made the mistake. What about those who dedicate themselves to cleaning up the messes from those mistakes? Do they not get to have feelings about it? Or they get to have feelings but don't talk about it and scare off the ignorant? Sorry, I don't get that, it seems disingenuous to me. I'm not going to pretend to like what you did just so I can get a point across. If the point is valid it will stand regardless of the delivery.

I'm all for compassion, but sometimes sugarcoating the reality is not the truly compassionate way.

 

[Misty+Mason]

I refuse to be blamed for others' lack of responsibility.

I'm just saying that those of us who work in rescue have feelings too. This is a DOG forum after all, and I seek it out because there are other knowledgeable folks on here. I don't go to a faculty meeting to say how frustrated I am with all the "oops" litters showing up, anymore than I come here to vent my frustration about how plagiarism is so rampant these days.

I've never understood why its so important to spare the feelings of the one who made the mistake. What about those who dedicate themselves to cleaning up the messes from those mistakes? Do they not get to have feelings about it? Or they get to have feelings but don't talk about it and scare off the ignorant? Sorry, I don't get that, it seems disingenuous to me. I'm not going to pretend to like what you did just so I can get a point across. If the point is valid it will stand regardless of the delivery.

I'm all for compassion, but sometimes sugarcoating the reality is not the truly compassionate way.

I agree and I'm not like that, I understand puppymills, understand backyard breeding.

f I purposly breed my dogs I'd be selling them for profit. But I'm not, people have offered money, I say no, use it to help with shots later on, fixing the dog if i don't already ect.

I want nothing more than have good homes for these pups, and keep in touch with every single person that gets one, so they don't make the mistakes I did.

 

[milos_mommy]

This is a DOG forum after all, and I seek it out because there are other knowledgeable folks on here. I don't go to a faculty meeting to say how frustrated I am with all the "oops" litters showing up, anymore than I come here to vent my frustration about how plagiarism is so rampant these days.

You might come here because you're knowledgeable and want to speak to other knowledgable folks...but plenty of people come to a forum like this in order to get advice, because they AREN'T knowledgeable. That's the thing...they aren't going to a faculty meeting to ask advice about raising puppies, they're coming here.

It's fine to vent about it, and no one is asking to sugarcoat it. It's terrible these puppies were born. But looking at why it happened and how to prevent it from happening again and what the best approach to dealing with the problem is a whole lot better than rolling your (general your) eyes and asking why the poster is still posting here.

 

[Linds]

Ok, answer this: How are you helping? Do you think the way you are talking and treating her is doing anything other than acting as a catharsis for your issues? Do you think treating her like this is going to make her stick around so that she can get help and questions answered?

Would you like a pound of flesh? Would that make it better for you or do you just want to continue telling her how awful and irresponsible she is?

I just don't get what you all are accomplishing. The male is altered now, she owned up, she is moving forward and dealing with what is done. First a explanation was cried for and now she get's accused for passing the buck after she told what happened at our demand.

I just don't get what you guys are looking for.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

I agree and I'm not like that, I understand puppymills, understand backyard breeding.

f I purposly breed my dogs I'd be selling them for profit. But I'm not, people have offered money, I say no, use it to help with shots later on, fixing the dog if i don't already ect.

I want nothing more than have good homes for these pups, and keep in touch with every single person that gets one, so they don't make the mistakes I did.

Please take their money and fix the dogs BEFORE rehoming so that the new homes will not become what you are now, an accident waiting to happen and perpetuating the cycle of neglect.

Also, please use their money or OUR money to fix your dogs. If you cannot afford it yourself start a fund at the vet office, give out the vet contact information and request donations to ensure the procedure can be accomplished. I have donated to several online spay and neuter efforts because not only have I had to clean up after several accidental litters by irresponsible owners but also I have been there and money was tight and you felt it was impossible to fix your own dog.


With all due respect, those who are upset at the honest negativity have likely never had to say to a rescue dog, I'm sorry but you're going to die today because we ran out of homes. There are no words to explain the pain and terror that causes to a human and the reality is it changes your outlook on accidental litters as well as your faith in humanity and the ability to change.



Misty + Mason, have you fixed your male yet? Do you plan to fix your female after she weans? You said you "should have fixed" your male, have you corrected that mistake yet?

 

[Misty+Mason]

Yes he is fixed and we also plan on doing the female after weening.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Yes he is fixed and we also plan on doing the female after weening.

I'm glad to hear that and I really, truly hope you consider pediatric neuters for all the puppies prior to rehoming. Unfortunately it is much to easy (as you've proven) to get a dog and intend on altering it but then months go by and OOPS you forgot to spay and neuter and forgot to be responsible and separate the dogs and OOPS forgot to (or it is against your beliefs) spay/abort and now we have more puppies to find homes for in an already over run society.

Just alter these puppies before they leave your home, you owe them and the dog community that much responsibility.

 

[Misty+Mason]

Okay I understand what I am going to do and not to be mean or anything but you don't have to be as hateful as you say it. You know what nevermind, just slaughter me with your hate for me and I'll just agree that I'm scum and need to be put in jail for an accident.

I know what to do, your answers are helpful but your hate for me is sickening.

 

[LauraLeigh]

I don't have time to post often right now.....

My life is insane, and I know I am not a highly contributing member of Chaz....

However, I have to say.... I had an oops litter.... Long story and one I have shared here....

I caught royal hell from my vet, and took the lumps I deserved....

It happens, and I can't help but notice the difference between the way I was treated and the way Misty is being treated.....

I don't think because we don't know her as well, means she should be ripped apart....

She has fixed her male, is fixing her female....

What more can she do?

I wish I was at a computer, there is much more I'd like tosay, but it is frustrating typing on my phone.... And I am waiting on my elderly Uncle at the Dr's... So limited on time....

 

[Danefied]

That's the thing...they aren't going to a faculty meeting to ask advice about raising puppies, they're coming here.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where this poster was asking for advice.

Here's my advice to anyone who finds out their dogs have accidentally bred: Go straight to the vet. You might be able to halt the whole thing with the canine version of the morning after pill. Or simply get the dog spayed. If its early in the gestation, its not that hard on the female and better than possible pregnancy complications or trying to responsibly place a whole litter.

If you end up with a litter, contact your local REPUTABLE rescue. Ask them to walk you through the adoption procedure, from home checks, to adoption contracts, to pediatric spay/neuters, to how to say no to someone you have an iffy feeling about. I would also LOVE to see each and every pup microchipped so that if despite your careful screening they do end up in a shelter, they still have a chance.

Might also be worth finding a local responsible breeder to help you through the whelp.
And if/when the breeder and rescue make comments or grumble about idiot owners, suck it up. They are taking time out of their lives and away from their dogs to help you, they're allowed to be annoyed.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

If you need assistance financially to follow through with the pediatric neuterings please set up a vet account and I'd be happy to donate as would, I am sure, plenty of other rescue oriented people.

I am sorry you find yourself upset over my words, which have not once been anything but honest and not once used an cursory insult, but to be perfectly honest I find those who are irresponsible and then proud of their accidents to be a slap in the face of those striving to prevent more and more deaths in rescue.

I will say though as much as I am hoping and willing to help you, you are hoping and willing to learn and for that I commend you, most are not and those most are what cause the large majority of us in rescue to become exceedingly jaded when we meet the owners of oops litters.

 

[AllieMackie]

I don't have time to post often right now.....

My life is insane, and I know I am not a highly contributing member of Chaz....

However, I have to say.... I had an oops litter.... Long story and one I have shared here....

I caught royal hell from my vet, and took the lumps I deserved....

It happens, and I can't help but notice the difference between the way I was treated and the way Misty is being treated.....

I don't think because we don't know her as well, means she should be ripped apart....

She has fixed her male, is fixing her female....

What more can she do?

I wish I was at a computer, there is much more I'd like tosay, but it is frustrating typing on my phone.... And I am waiting on my elderly Uncle at the Dr's... So limited on time....

I was thinking of you today LauraLeigh, and how in your case no one thrashed you about, probably because you are a longstanding member and people are more willing to forgive their "friends". Accidents happen to everyone.

I don't see what she's doing wrong by posting photos of the pups. She's been grated and grilled. She's fixed her male and will fix her female. The pups are going to good homes and she's hoping to keep in contact with all of the owners. She is not profiting from this litter.

Are we done? Are we allowed to say "yay puppies" now? Because I kind of want to say "yay puppies" to a person being completely ethical and responsible for the accident litter they created.

 

[mom2dogs]

With all due respect, those who are upset at the honest negativity have likely never had to say to a rescue dog, I'm sorry but you're going to die today because we ran out of homes.

I have dealt in rescue, I have watched a litter of young puppies being carried to the gas chamber, I have had to tell dogs I couldn't save that I was sorry I couldn't do more or didn't choose them. Hell, the guilt of going in and pulling only a dog or two and leaving the rest knowing **** well what their fate is. . . . is gut wrenching.

Having said that, I would much rather save my time, energy, anger, and sadness for the people who think "soooo cute, she should have another litter!", or those who dump their puppies VS finding homes, or continue on with their lives not spaying/neutering.

Maybe I choose my battles differently, but imo it's beating a dead horse when the OP has already owned up to her mistakes and learned from them.

Cute puppies OP!