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I wasn't sure what "unacceptable color" meant when someone mentioned it earlier. Is that all it means, not accepted by AKC? I thought maybe it meant it was linked to a healthy issue or something. If it's just not accepted by AKC then I agree, who the f*ck cares.

Nope, no health issue about it... it's just not accepted according to the breed standard. Dark brindles are "acceptable," but they're "supposed" to have distinct striping.

I think black is unacceptable because it would mean that the boxer is not pure bred as the color does NOT occur in the breed, which would mean that it must be mixed.
That's the thing though, they're not technically black. I can only speak for Juno here--I met a slew of her relatives, she's definitely all boxer. The brindling is just so heavy that you don't see the striping and they only -look- completely black. Genetically, they're not. Juno has a brown-ish tinge to her and if you look closely you can see the ticking in her fur, but most people do think she's black. I'd bet it's the same with Kenai--look at him in the sunlight and you probably see some brown.
 
according to the internet
"There are a lot of people who say that they own black boxer dogs. Likewise, there are many backyard breeders who purport to be selling "rare" black boxer dogs. The problem? There are no black boxer dogs.

Perhaps that seems a little confusing. Maybe you have even seen a black boxer dog yourself, and you can't see how the above statement could possibly be correct. Well, it is a factual statement-there are no black boxer dogs. It is genetically impossible for a black boxer dog to exist.

What are these dogs, then?

So, this begs the question-what, exactly, are the black boxer dogs that backyard breeders are selling and that people say they own? What was that black boxer dog that you might have seen yourself? After all, these dogs look every bit like boxers...and you might be thinking that the coloring of these dogs looks like black to you.

As it turns out, these dogs are actually brindle boxers. Some people call them reverse brindle boxers. Nonetheless, they are brindles, not black boxer dogs.

A brindle boxer is one that has some type of fawn coloring (from a tan color to a dark reddish color)-but, on top of the fawn coloring are black stripes. Boxers can have any number or sort of black striping. They can even have such a quantity of black striping that they appear to be black with fawn-colored striping. The boxers who have this much black striping are often called reverse brindle boxers.

Some of these brindle boxers may end up with such a great amount of black striping that it can be quite difficult to find the fawn undercolor. Boxer experts know that there is fawn underneath; however, those who are uneducated about boxers naturally assume that these are black boxer dogs.

Why the deception?
When a backyard breeder sells dogs that he claims are "rare" black boxer dogs, he can sell them at a higher price than the price at which he sells his other boxer dogs. Since many backyard breeders are not quite ethical in a lot of their practices, this price gouging over a falsehood fits in with how these breeders function. Of course, not all backyard breeders are like this; however, any backyard breeder who claims to be selling a breed variety that doesn't exist in nature probably doesn't have the highest moral standards.

Why is it so impossible for there to be black boxer dogs?

It takes a simple knowledge of genetics to understand. Basically, every being-whether it is a mammal, like a dog, or an amphibian or anything else-has genes. These genes determine everything about the being, from skin color to the number legs to where the eyes are...genes control everything.

Genes control coat color in dogs, too. In order for a dog to be black, that breed of dog must contain the gene for having a black coat. Boxer dogs do not have that gene. So, there cannot be any black boxer dogs. It is genetically impossible for a boxer to have a black coat."

not sure how true it is or w/e

but as for me, i could care less lol as long as the pup is healthy
 
Maybe not racist... Purist or Coat-ist perhaps.

Yeah was thinking the same thing. I won't pretend to know about boxer coat colors or why some things are Dq'd. I do know no one in MY breed looks down upon mismarks at all. They're simply spayed and not considered 'breeding quality'. Well, that's complicated because it depends on the mismark. I know two people that have bred otherwise strong examples of the breed that happened to be mismarked.

So what I'm rambling about is it's not as strict as I think it's being presented here. Unacceptable colors are allowed to be registered but not shown.

I wasn't sure what "unacceptable color" meant when someone mentioned it earlier. Is that all it means, not accepted by AKC? I thought maybe it meant it was linked to a healthy issue or something. If it's just not accepted by AKC then I agree, who the f*ck cares.

Unacceptable colors sometimes DO have health issues attached to them (like albino in dobes). So you do have to be careful when saying things like that.
 
I think he's a reverse brindle anyway...not actually black. I'm not a Boxer owner, so not sure of all the colors and such. I do know my favorite Boxer client is a reverse brindle, though not as dark as Juno and Kenai. He shows in conformation. When we did his OFAs, he woke up giving kisses.:)

Regarding AKC (while they certainly have their faults) I believe the various breed clubs make the distinctions regarding what they want in their standards..not the AKC itself.

And color has no bearing on what type of companion the dog will be. I'm far more concerned about health and temperament. He's a cute lil guy. Can't wait to watch him grow

Did the breeder do health screening for heart diseases and such? Cardiomyopathy is such a concern with them
 
Interesting that Juno's been mentioned in this thread... quite honestly I was surprised that I didn't get any flack for her being an "unacceptable" color. IMO if the color is genetically possible, then it shouldn't make them any less "boxer" than a fawn... I don't really care what the show ring thinks of it. :dunno:

Anyway, again, he's a cutie... good luck with him haha. :)

I personally like the black looking boxers best. Juno and Kanai are precious. I am with everyone else and cringed when I read 5.5 weeks but like she said it wasn't up to her. Good luck with him. I also don't get into the whole "show quality" only.
 
Nope, no health issue about it... it's just not accepted according to the breed standard. Dark brindles are "acceptable," but they're "supposed" to have distinct striping.


That's the thing though, they're not technically black. I can only speak for Juno here--I met a slew of her relatives, she's definitely all boxer. The brindling is just so heavy that you don't see the striping and they only -look- completely black. Genetically, they're not. Juno has a brown-ish tinge to her and if you look closely you can see the ticking in her fur, but most people do think she's black. I'd bet it's the same with Kenai--look at him in the sunlight and you probably see some brown.

Ok. Gotcha. ;). That makes sense.
 
And some unacceptable colours aren't registrable period because they shouldn't be happening in the breed.. Merle American Cockers don't just pop up unannounced.. they aren't registrable unless the breeder lies and calls them roan.. and then if they get bred later on you are hiding some funky genetics if people don't know better.
 
I just want to say Congratulations! I bet he will bond with you a lot at his age. Enjoy all the fun of puppyhood! Can't wait for future pics to see this little/big guy grow.
 
i don't care one way or the other about acceptable vs unacceptable to the akc. what i do care about is the local explosion of "rare black boxers" (who, yes, are reverse brindles) and how that "rare" and "special" color is just fueling the poor breeding of these dogs, which is already poor enough. any time dogs are selected for based on color, it's generally not a good thing for the breed.

although the fit that someone i know pitched when she couldn't register her dog with the akc as black and had to register as brindle was somewhat entertaining....
 
I had no idea that the OP is so young. It is true that at that age you more or less do what you're parents tell you and of course you have no control over what your parents chose to do.

I wish her the luck in learning and growing during these teen years so that she may do what is right by her future dogs when she is the owner/buyer.

I meant no harm, but I still see it as a very important lesson from which to learn from and grow.
 
Honestly... I expect more from you (Bre), seeing as how long you've been an active forum member, how much you've spoken out against taking puppies away from their litter too young, and buying from irresponsible breeders. :( I thought you were getting a show puppy? People saying that you're too young; I don't know. If you aren't young enough to take in all kinds of foster dogs and have a say in that, it seems like a cop-out to claim that your Mom didn't care whatsoever if you were completely against doing this.

No one knows the real story except you... so we could speculate all day, but really, I just hope your puppy turns out happy, healthy and well-adjusted. BEST of luck!
 
well it's appaling the pup was taken so young....

and I'm sure I'm going to get flack for this but... you've made a lot of threads about your family situation. WHY are you all adding more dogs to an already unstable situation? sorry... jus tmy opinion that perhaps this isn't the time to be bringing in more dogs
 
I again, dont think she had any say in this what-so-ever.
If my mother or father decde they are going to a BYB to get a dog, what am I supposed to do? Stand in front of the car? Im pretty sure my dad can lift me out of the way.
 
I again, dont think she had any say in this what-so-ever.
If my mother or father decde they are going to a BYB to get a dog, what am I supposed to do? Stand in front of the car? Im pretty sure my dad can lift me out of the way.

:rofl1:

For some weird reason that last sentence made me laugh out loud.
 
I again, dont think she had any say in this what-so-ever.
If my mother or father decde they are going to a BYB to get a dog, what am I supposed to do? Stand in front of the car? Im pretty sure my dad can lift me out of the way.

Agreed...
We got Lucy from a BYB and I knew all about BYBs--I had been on this forum for almost a year when we got her. I was only 14 though and my mom really wasn't buying into anything I told her, she wanted to do what was convenient and a BYB was more convenient than trying to get in touch with a reputable breeder. What can ya do... especially when the dog is already in your possession. It certainly wouldn't be acceptable to return the dog just because of where it came from. No sense in making someone feel bad for where they got a dog... JMO of course.
 
Yeah was thinking the same thing. I won't pretend to know about boxer coat colors or why some things are Dq'd. I do know no one in MY breed looks down upon mismarks at all. They're simply spayed and not considered 'breeding quality'. Well, that's complicated because it depends on the mismark. I know two people that have bred otherwise strong examples of the breed that happened to be mismarked.

So what I'm rambling about is it's not as strict as I think it's being presented here. Unacceptable colors are allowed to be registered but not shown.



Unacceptable colors sometimes DO have health issues attached to them (like albino in dobes). So you do have to be careful when saying things like that.

Good post Laurelin, I agree :thumbup:
 

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