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My only objection is that with some folks, alcohol and pot drives them to seeking deeper " highs " .....crack etc leads to self destuction and harm to others .
Those types of people have the same type of personality that causes thrill seekers to graduate from jumping off Grandma's porch as a child to jumping out of planes. Whether it's pot, cigarettes or cough syrup, those who 'graduate' to harder drugs are going to do it whether they smoke pot or not. My point being is that there are so many things in life that can lead to worse things. It's all about who and what you are and how you as an individual choose to live your life.
 
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i think if they sold it legally (in say smoke shops or whatnot) then it wouldnt work out that well, especially if they came with the seeds still in because people can easily jsut grow their own after buying just one bag
 

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I've heard that Phillip Morris (Marlboro) has been ready for years for it to be legalized, that they could have it on store shelves within 3 days of it being legalized........

Just something I've heard though. Probably a rumor, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 

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haha they already tax it...i saw on a news special that if you get busted dealing you better have a tax stamp or you will be fined for it. They showed a number of different types. I swear i saw it i did!
 
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There's a tax on the books here, too, for revenue from the sale of illegal drugs . . . . it is just patterned after the old federal statutes that allow the feds to charge organized crime with tax evasion when they can't make a case for a crime. BUT . . . the public is supposed to believe that information from the tax forms can't be used to bust whoever is stupid enough to file the taxes :rolleyes:
 
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my friends have been. they took a trip there a few years ago to check out all the coffeeshops. i havent though.. being underage.
 

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ihartgonzo, all I have to say is just one thing. The most intelligent, most caring, and best adults I know are ones that know even young people can know more about them in some areas. Adults that know even young people aren't stupid and that young people can teach them a lot. I've been through my share of things (too much for my liking, actually) and those adults which I speak of know it, accept it, and give me credit where credit is due. And one day I will be one of those adults. :)
I'm 18, which is 2 years older than you... so I wouldn't say I'm an old person ;]. However, I probably have much more experience with the topic at hand than you do. Just from reading your posts, it seems like you don't know a lot about marijuana, besides what has been force-fed to kids in high school health class. I have a lot of personal experience with it, both good AND bad.

One of my best friends is going to Harvard, got a 4.3 in high school, was in the top 1% of the class, and he smokes pot every day! Another of my good friends uses it (among other drugs) to make herself forget about her problems and life, and she's basically mentally addicted to it... I never smoke with her, btw. I was expelled from high school my freshman year because of marijuana. I have best friends who are/were dealers. I know plenty of people who have abused it, but the majority who have some common sense only smoke pot to relax & hang out on occasion, much like drinking alcohol to kick back.
 

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i will say this about drugs of any kind, i know one two young people that were shot in the face. One died, one didn't but life is forever changed because..BECAUSE whatever we are doing isn't working. People are always going to smoke and drink. Prohibition proved that. For whatever reason their are people that will abuse this, and people that will use it in moderation. Legal or not. So why did these two young people have to pay the price for a crime? Dizzy..is it that way in AMsterdam?
 

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Wow, 17 pages.

I've never smoked anything, drank any alcohol, or done any illegal drugs. And yes, I'm over 16. I can't imagine changing my opinions now. I'm way to self-concious and a control freak to handle that sort of thing. I want to always be in control of myself.

Clearly, I don't get why people do any of those drugs.

Legalize it? I don't know. If legalizing things makes people more responsible about them, then where do you stop? And no, I'm not talking about pedophilia. What other drugs should be legal? Should all of them be legal, as long as you are over 21 and you promise to take personal responsibility? I'm not really asking sarcastically - clearly, I've never felt the need to learn about the various drugs. But they already made alcohol legal. Now marijuana should be? What one comes next?

Personally, I'd like a world where cigarettes and alcohol are illegal too, but I certainly know that it never works out;) . I guess people can do whatever their little hearts desire as far as marijuana; just stay away from me while doing it, please.
 

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To answer your question Sparks, I rarely drink so that has never been a issue. I quit smoking many years ago, my kids grew up in a smokeless home, I just took up the habit again a few years back, so now I have grandkids. When I'm around them I go outside to smoke. When we have company that are non smokers I go outside to smoke. I HATE to see people smoke in cars with little kids or in homes with little kids. I hate going to resturants and while were sitting in the smoking section, seeing people come in with their kids. How stupid! It makes me uncomfortable smoking then.

The question was asked what our thoughts were on this topic, I'm simply saying how I feel and why I feel this way. No one else has to agree with me. I believe what I believe. My ex husband's two best smoking buddies died in their 40's of heart failure. Neither smoked cigs, neither did hard drugs, they just got stoned all the time. My ex is not in great health, he's never smoked cigs a day in his life, was never a drinker. Just loves his pot. As for my views, I was the one who lived 3 years with a guy who if he missed a day without his pot was ready to come unglued. When faced with having to decide on buying milk and food for our 2 year old and his pregnant wife the pot won every single time. Its not all good. There is a negitive side to it. I've not only seen the bad side of it, I lived it for 3 years. What is wrong with letting people know the other side? And why on earth do people get so huffy when someone has a different opinon on a subject?

And one more thing, how will they tax it? Around here people grow their own. Think they'd be honest and pay taxes on it?


LOL No one is getting huffy and no one is disagreeing with you. I never said that kind of stuff does not happen. I simply stated that it happened to your husband while it was illegal so why would that change just because it becomes legal. it's all personal responsibility. period.

How will they tax it? why do you think it isn't legal already. They don't know how to regulate it to tax it. once they figure that out I bet they will legalize it.

OK so you smoke but you are responsible enough to not do it around children. some people aren't. Should tobacco be illegal because people are stupid? You don't like to drink but some people do and they do it around children all the time. Should it be illegal because people are stupid?

it is sad that your ex's friends passed away but I don't think it is fair to say it was because of pot lol. My step dad smokes (well quit cigarettes now), drinks, and smokes pot. His biggest medical problem is arthritis. People die prematurely it. it is sad but the heart failure could have been caused by eating crap food too. Either way it is sad.

No one is saying there isn't a bad side. There is a bad side to EVERYTHING if overdone. I think everyone has pretty much agreed to that point. But should everyone be sheltered because of people that lack self control?

BostonBanker, in Vancouver they actually have safe houses where they provide heroin addicts with clean needles and a safe place to be. They can get their fix and not be a danger to others, other than themselves. I'm not sure how I feel about that but I say if they want to destroy their bodies that is their problem, at least they are trying to provide a more "responsible" way for them to do it.
 
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I have nothing to prove to you. I am confident in my own opinion and I do not need your approval to be confident in it.

Didnt ask you to prove anything, nor was I offerring my approval to you.

I was hoping you would answer what is wrong with acting in a responsable manner. Please let us know when you have that answer.
 
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There are are some universal wrongs, such as murder, incest, etc. Otherwise, every culture has their own set of morals that a majority of the population adheres too. But these norms differ from country to country or culture to culture.
Just because a culture holds certain practices as moral dosent mean they are universally moral. They're are cultures where an adult can forcibly marry children younger that 16, where women can be put to death because they offended their husband, where a charge of rape can be leveled only when 3 or more men will bear witness or where forced prostitution is practiced publicly.

Even in our own country there are many moral issues that are relative to the individual.

For example, some people think it's wrong to have sex before marriage. Others disagree. Some people think it's wrong to eat meat. Others disagree. Some people think it's wrong to be gay. Others disagree. Some people practice polygamy. Others think it's wrong. Some people think it's okay to smoke pot. Others do not. I could go on of course, but I'm sure you get my point. One side isn't more right than the other. I'm vegetarian, I think it's morally wrong to eat meat produced by factory farms. I'm not going to try to force you to be vegetarian though, because I realize that morality is relative when it comes to many issues.
Universal morality and personal morality are different issuses. Personal morality gives us groups like NAMBLA, PETA, Utahs polygamist, and Alaskas very own Papa Pilgrim. Personal morality dosent make universal morality relative. Just because it would be legal for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in the state of Alaska, yes there are restrictions but it is still legal, dosent make it moraly right.
 

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Just because a culture holds certain practices as moral dosent mean they are universally moral. They're are cultures where an adult can forcibly marry children younger that 16, where women can be put to death because they offended their husband, where a charge of rape can be leveled only when 3 or more men will bear witness or where forced prostitution is practiced publicly.
That's exactly my point. I said some things were universally moral. The things you mention are not. They are relatively moral. We are talking about two different categories.


Universal morality and personal morality are different issuses. Personal morality gives us groups like NAMBLA, PETA, Utahs polygamist, and Alaskas very own Papa Pilgrim. Personal morality dosent make universal morality relative.
I never said it did. You are misunderstanding my point. There are things that are universally moral/immoral. That means it spans across all cultures and countries. Every culture in the world generally agrees that murder is wrong. It has nothing to do with what I think or what you think. However, there are many moral issues that fall under the category of "personal morality" as you call it. These are relative issues. I believe that smoking pot is one of those issues. Which is why the issue of relative morality is relavant in the first place.

Just because it would be legal for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in the state of Alaska, yes there are restrictions but it is still legal, dosent make it moraly right.
Certainly not. :)
 

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I'm all for it being legalized.. how many people get stoned and start a brawl? It's better than alcohol in my opinion..

I have tried it.. a few times.. and the last time I smoked it it gave me panic attacks.. it's what triggered my anxiety disorder.. so no.. I won't do it again..

I just can't keep quiet this time.. I tried!

Tessa Tessa Tessa.. I love you to pieces.. you're a very strong person.. you stick to your morals like few people I've met.. and that is truely spectacular.. even though I don't necessarily agree with what you believe, you believe it with everything that's in you..
But.. yes.. there's a but.. :p you REALLY REALLY must stop lumping people together.. you MUST stop generalizing everyone.. I'm not saying this to hurt you.. or to come down on you.. like I just finished saying.. you're a great person.. but you really need to see individuals.. you need to understand that not everyone feels the same.. believes the same.. lives their life the same as you do.. and that doesn't make them 'idiots' REGARDLESS of what you believe.. it makes them different.. and they most certainly are entitled to that.
You say that people who use drugs to escape are idiots.. you don't know them.. you aren't them.. you have no idea what it's like to be them. Even if you have gone through the EXACT same situation and handled it much better than they have you STILL cannot judge them as idiots.. you know why? Cause you AREN'T them! I realize that you have had and still have a tough life.. and you're dealing with it wonderfully.. however that does not make someone with the same situation an idiot if they deal with it differently..
With my anxiety disorder I have been to the point of using alcohol to deal.. there was no other relief that I knew at the time.. I would have ended it if I found no relief.. I know that. I was lucky enough to have a mom (who knew what I was going through.. who had been there.. dealing with it the same way I was dealing with it) who was able to help me get another form of help.. a healthier form of help.. does that make me an idiot? Or her? Since she did the same thing at one time? Does that make other people in my situation idiots if they aren't lucky enough to have someone like my mom in their lives?
Point is you have no idea what some people are going through.. or what horrible things they have to deal with.. please please stop judging them all as idiots because they have not taken the route in life that you have.

There.. I'm done.. :)
 

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What are your guys' views on it?

Do you think it should be legalized?

Do you smoke it?

Have you tried smoking it?

i dont think marijuana is bad at all. its way more healthier than ciggs..
i think is should be legalized and taxed but not the the most stupidest price.
i smoke once in a while. just depends.
yes i have tryed it. it doesnt make me stupid and when i do smoke it its just for a calming time. i do it once every..5 months or so or longer but im not aloud to smoke at the time cause my job.
 

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