Letter to Eve (and several to morons) ((enormously long, angry rant))

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Dear Eve,

On behalf of my idiot species, I apologize.

I'm sorry that the people we meet insist on punishing you for your good behavior. I'm sorry that they see you sitting by my side and expect you to give their four-legged terror on the other end of the leash a warm, friendly welcome.

You see, the dogs that they own seem to be either:

A.) Participating in a violent crusade against their own kind, acting under a mandate that requires them to attack others on sight.
B.) Attention-starved, socially-inept animals desperately seeking contact with their own kind.
C.) Horny boy dogs who want to get all up in your junk.

Over the past 2 years, you've quietly and patiently tried to explain to me that you simply don't enjoy the company of your own kind. You don't like it when they stick their cold noses under your tail. You don't like paws being flailed at your face. You don't like being barked at. I get it. You value your personal space and are uneasy when it's rudely invaded by a dog who most likely wants to stick his nose under your tail, bark at you and flail his paws in your face. After 2 years, your point has permeated my thick skull, and I no longer feel inclined to encourage you to "make nice" with other dogs.

The problem, Eve, is that you aren't a fighter. Because you are, for the most part, a gentle soul, most people believe that you will have no objection to their dog invading your personal space. I know it's hard for you to understand this "thought" process. I have a hard time with it too.

In light of the problems we've been having with random encounters with people, I have several requests to make of you.

1.) That fluffy, white poodle mix sporting a frilly pink dress is almost certainly going to be released from the arms of her over-accessorized owner when she sees that you are, in fact, another dog. When this dog runs at you, screaming and leaping up in an attempt to take a bite out of your face, please don't defend yourself by biting back. At best, you'll rip the little dog's dress. At worst, you'll rip the little dog's jugular. Please continue to jump into my arms when I ask you to, and let the little monster bite my ankles instead of yours.

2.) I understand you don't like the intact male Mastiff that sees you and drags his owner over in an attempt to get a good whiff of your undercarriage. I know... he's rude. It sucks. I realize that you can't escape him, because his owners have no control over him. I can't even pick you up to save you, because he's as tall as my chest. Do me a favor, though, Eve? Don't try to fight with this dog. I know you think it's worthwhile to defend yourself against him, but he weighs 200 pounds and you weigh 30. You're not going to win. I'll try to fight him off before he crushes you in an attempt to mate with you.

3.) The giant Schnauzer that wants to play with you so badly that he can't handle himself and, upon reaching you, dissolves into a fit of uncontrollable barking and inappropriate mouthing? I'm sorry, to both you and to that dog. Please be patient and keep him at bay with air-snaps and growls while I attempt to explain to his owner that when I said you don't play with other dogs, I meant it.

4.) The Pit Bull Terrier that yanks the leash from her owner's hand and attacks you before I have the chance to react? I'm sorry. I'm just... fscking sorry. I know that things like this don't do anything to help you trust your own kind. Next time I'll try to react faster.

I am proud of you, however, for keeping your head up and politely leaving other dogs alone. It is a testament to your self-control and your trust in me that I can walk you off-lead around a large group of other dogs and never once see you initiate contact or instigate a fight with another dog. I'm proud that you will defend yourself if you need to, but that you always seem to use the least amount of force necessary. You are a good dog, Eve.

With all the love in the world,

RD

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Dear Random Irresponsible Dog Owners:

Fsck you. My dog is trained. She is not going to strain at the other end of the leash in an attempt to attack your dog. Just because she doesn't acknowledge your dog's presence with an outward display of hatred doesn't mean that she wants to make nice and scamper on the beach. Ask me first, dumbass.

If you happen to have the brain capacity to ask permission before you unleash your dog on mine, don't look at me like I've grown a penis out of my forehead when I tell you that my dog won't play with yours. Don't release your dog anyway, saying "oh, she doesn't look like she's aggressive!". She's not aggressive. She's defensive. She'll bite your dog because your dog is either attacking her or violating her personal space. Don't look at her like she's a monster when she does this. I warned you, moron.

Sincerely,

RD.

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To the person with the over-groomed, perfumed, gucci-wearing Poodle mix,

Put a leash on your **** dog or keep it in your purse. The irony of your tiny, defenseless dog attacking a larger dog will become far less humorous when the larger dog snuffs out your dog's life with one bite and a shake of its head.

-RD

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To the person with the horny adolescent Mastiff,

If you can't control your dog, keep it in your yard. Your dog weighs more than the average human being. Not only is it obnoxious when a dog the size of a small horse sticks its nose into every human crotch he comes across, but it's dangerous to have such a large animal literally dragging you wherever he wants to go. Also, my dog doesn't like being raped, and I'm sure your dog doesn't like it when I have to practically beat on his sides to distract him from squishing my dog into the ground.

Invest in a tool to control your dog on a leash, or better yet, invest in some classes and a castration procedure.

-RD

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To the person with the undersocialized, exuberant Giant Schnauzer,

I like your dog. He's pretty. He's friendly. When I comment from a distance that your dog is beautiful, please don't confuse this with me giving you permission to unhook the leash and let your dog bounce all over mine. My dog doesn't like boulder-sized paws landing on her back. Since you took very little time to socialize your dog, he doesn't understand that this is improper behavior.

Allow me to repeat: My dog doesn't like your dog. Your dog seems to vaguely grasp this after the 100th time she snaps at him. Utterly confused, he drops into a perpetual play bow and begins screaming at her. You are now unable to hear me explain why my dog isn't returning your dog's advances, and both Eve and I are now deaf because of the constant barking.

Put your dog back on the leash, and ask next time. My dog can teach your dog about boundaries and respecting personal space, if you'd like, but I'd rather not initiate something like that with no warning.

-RD

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To the person with the Pit Bull Terrier that lunges to the end of the leash, barks, snarls and makes a scene,

Use a goddamn harness. Your dog snaps the buckles on collars. Your dog yanks the leash out of your hand. Your dog is strong and tough, we get it.

My dog did nothing to instigate such violent behavior from your dog, which leads me to believe that you either have encouraged that behavior or haven't put a moment's thought into stopping it. So, a word of advice for you, moron: next time you take your untrained, uncontrollably dog-aggressive dog out in public, please secure it properly. Use two collars, two leashes and a harness if you have to. Obviously the concept of training this dog transcends your mental capacity, so please just tie it up as securely as you can.

Also? Feel free to pick a fight with me for kicking your dog. Your dog is larger and stronger than my dog, and is beating up on her unnecessarily. I'll kick your dog's ass if it means protecting my own dog.

Wanna fight with me, even though you're a big Mexican dude and I'm a smaller, weaker white female? You want to try to put your hands on me? I'll crotch punt you so hard, you'll have to get TWO pit bulls to compensate for your shortcomings.

-RD

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Dear Chaz Forum,

Thanks for letting me rant. No matter what country you live in, you'll always come across horrible dog owners. I'm glad there's a place like this where I can vent and recieve advice for rehabilitating my dog after incidents like these.

Much love,

RD
 

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:hail::hail::hail:

I'm so sorry you and Eve have to deal with these people. I would add children and their parents who don't bother to train them. My dog is AFRAID of your child, please stop telling and letting them run up to my dog and start trying to grab her as she cowers behind me! Also, I will always tell your child to stop shoving younger (We're talking three or less years old) children away from MY dog and saying it isn't theirs (the toddlers). No sh*t Sherlock, she's MINE, now get your grubby little paws away from my dog so she can pee and walk back to my door in peace.
 

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Ugh, I forgot about little kids. Eve actually adores polite children, but the hyper ones that jump up and down and stomp their feet are clearly out of control and need to be circled, nose-nudged and body-blocked anywhere they try to go. This leads to an argument between the child and Eve, which I've never allowed to fully escalate as I fear it'd lead to the kid kicking at Eve and Eve nipping the kid's feet. I take no chances and always put Eve (and the child) in a "stay still" state of mind while they interact.

Yesterday was just the last straw. I was so angry after this guy's APBT finally did what I was expecting her to do, and lunged so hard at the end of the leash that she wrenched it out of her owner's hand. The dog grabbed Eve in the middle of her back and yanked her off her feet. I wound up having to step on the leash with one foot, kick the dog with the other to get it to let go of Eve, and yell at Eve to run away.

When I walked back to the asshole owner and handed him the leash, he started swearing at me in Spanish and raised his hand like he was going to hit me. He didn't even have the guts to do that... little coward.

I knew I should've just left the beach as soon as I saw that douchebag show up, but I didn't want to let one moron end our fun, so I just moved to the other side of the beach. I feel really bad that Eve had to suffer for my mistake.

These are the things that I fear will set her back. At this point, she's 100% neutral to other dogs until they instigate something. I worry that each one of these incidents with a dog biting her is going to push her over into a fear-aggressive leash-lunger simply to try to ward off potential attackers before they reach her.

She still has the sweet, passive mindset of a service dog and I love this sooo much, why does everything try to ruin that? :( :( :(

Ugh.
 

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I'm so sorry, RD.

On every forum I'm on (well, all 2 of them), irresponsible ownership threads seem to reign supreme. Everyone is having a problem with these morons and yet it seems, for the most part, that are are quickly losing the battle despite fighting as hard as we can.

I haven't figured out just how many animals need to get injured or die or how many children and adults need to get injured or die before something is done. I swear I fight so hard and all I get for it is the threat of having my own dogs, my properly contained and restrained and well-mannered dogs, taken away. This world is driving me crazy.
 
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Kharma is much like Eve in her view of other dogs. She will tolerate the inconveniences of small dogs because, well, it's beneath her to bully small things. Even prey she treats with due respect and dispatches swiftly without torment. Larger dogs get warnings. So far she's never had to go any farther than the swift, unexpected air-snap millimeters in front of their faces.

We still have the problem of people thinking it's cute when their little dogs harass her and she backs away from them rather than hurting them. Some people and a few of their dogs don't believe me when I tell them the baleful sideways glare is NOT an invitation to come closer, it's an invitation to retreat without embarrassment.

And then there are those who, because she is at the store and is on company behavior, being engaging and charming, start giving orders for sillydamn tricks their dogs deign to perform for them and then remark that "oh, she doesn't know how to do anything, does she?" Yes, as a matter of fact she does. You probably wouldn't be comfortable with a lot of the things she knows how to do. I am, though. Maybe you should treat me with a bit more wariness as well. She and I are very much of one mind.

Or they grab for her paw and tell her to "shake." Umm, no, she doesn't like having her paws touched. Not one bit. I know they're huge, and fascinating because her toes have those extra joints that flex like a cat's paw, or fingers, but DON'T TOUCH.

Oh, and to those of you who think it's macho to stand on the other side of the street and encourage your 8 year old son to bark at the dog and taunt her . . . You really don't like your kid much, do you? One day he's going to do that to the wrong dog, one that wouldn't ignore him and go for the instigator. I wonder how fast you'd run if I let her chase you . . . Or how the load of sh1t you'd likely have in your trousers would hamper the running. It would surely make it easier for her to track you down.

Your dogs, with the exception of a relatively few incredibly stupid ones (like the neighbor's white GSD bitch), have a great deal more sense about who and what they goad than you -- and you consider yourselves to be the creature of higher intelligence.

You are only differentiated from prey because of my dog's better judgment. Oh, and once you've pissed her off, she will never, ever forget it -- or you.
 

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great letter. I feel your pain :( Eve is such a good girl.

Unfortunately Oakley happens to be the lunger/air biter that you speak of. Since we are still training, I pull Oakley as far as I can off the path when I see another dog coming (well beyond his pull of the leash), yet...some dog owners take this as a sign of "hey, lets let my dog FOLLOW him"...ughh...

I've learned to call out to people "sorry, we are still in training, my dog WILL bark viciously at your dog, but don't worry, I have a hold of the leash"....and some people STILL call out "its ok, my dog is nice"...well you freaking idiot, my dog HATES your dog and while he really doesn't fight, will probably scare the crap out of your dog.

Oh, and the person who rides their bike with their dog on leash...whose dog likes to greet other dogs. When you see me & my unfriendly dog (who you KNOW is unfriendly), get off you freaking bike (or learn to control you dog). Dropping the leash & yelling "its ok, he is friendly" as Oakley is struggling to maintain his calm completely ruins my training sessions. You are lucky Oakley does not actually bite...someday though...he might. And when he does, it will be 100% YOUR fault for letting your dog close to mine when I CLEARLY stated that my dog is aggressive. Idiots.
 

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:( I am so sorry you and Eve had to deal with those morons.
I have a story, and, well, I am going to share it,LOL. Now, Rosey does not enjoy the company of other (most) dogs. There are a few she knows that she loves, but for the most part, she wishes they would just leave her alone. She will NOT snap or anything back at them, which honestly, I wish she would, to get her point across. So one day, we were offleash in a park, and somebody with 3 pitbulls came to the park. So I figure ok, put the leash on, and continued our walk. Next thing I know, these 3 pitbulls are running towards us, and the guy is yelling from the other side of the park "it is ok, they are friendly!" (Disclaimer: I have NO ISSUES with pitbulls, I think they are lovely dogs, if I could, I would love to own one. That said, I live in Ontario, where it is the law that all bully breeds are leashed and muzzled at all times while outside.) So I yell back "yah, well my dog does not want to meet them!" Of course the dog comes, and Rosey just sits beside me while these 3 dogs harrass her. So I figure ok, whatever, lets go home, you are not enjoying this. So I get halfway through the park, and the dogs come at her again, the guy trying to call them back and they ignore him. His excuse? "Oh, is that an intact female?" "Yes, yes it is" "Oh, they just want to get some, they are pros at it!" :rolleyes: Again, buddy, my dog does NOT want to say hello to your dogs, she does NOT want to "get some", nothing. She is very obviously sitting down beside me because she is anxious and wants the dogs GONE. :sigh: Ended up unleashing her (thank god for having a reliable offleash dog) and telling her to go home, so she would at least get to the gate of the park away from the dogs (there is a parking lot for a retirement home there, she will not go onto the street or into parking lots without somebody giving her the ok beside her)
 

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I'm so sorry you and Eve are having to deal with that on a regular basis. That does seem to be the one nice thing about here, most people have a decent idea of proper owner ship and the ones that don't, fortunately have overly submissive dogs. And are willing to listen for the most part.
 

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Renee, I'd get so frustrated if I were in your shoes, having a big dog that everyone tries to mess with. It's frustrating enough with my small dog!

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's slowly going insane watching the way people handle their animals. I know in most cases it's none of my business, and in most cases I let it go, but when it affects me and my dog I start to lose my cool. :(

Dreeza, what you describe with Oakley must be so frustrating. I feel the same way with Eve, even though she doesn't give an aggressive display to other dogs as we pass. She's still NOT friendly, she does NOT want to have a playdate in the middle of the road, and I don't care how friendly someone else thinks their dog is. It doesn't change how unfriendly my dog will be if you let go of your dog's leash. :(

I sometimes wish Eve was the type to wrestle and play with other dogs like she did at puppyhood, but I know if she was like that now, she wouldn't be such a good partner for me. Like Renee said about Kharma, she and I are often of the same mind, and Eve is learning that 99% of strange dogs and strange people are of no consequence to either of us, so they're best left alone.

Sigh. It just frustrates me sometimes.
 
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Bear is well trained and very friendly yet hates having his ears touched. You can pet the top of his head but he hates being scratched behind his ears or his ears touched. He just doesn't like it. "But every dog loves their ears scratched" I hear all the time. No, this one does not.

every dog has their own personality just like humans. They have their own preferences for other dogs, people, other animals etc. Not every dog in the world loves everything or everyone.

Sorry You have to go through this RD. It's hard dealing with other people's untrained, insocialized, horny dogs sometimes. If I had to go through it everyday, I don't know I would be as nice as you have been. I would get to the point of yelling and cussing specially dealing with the same people and the same dogs who don't get the hint. And it's the owners fault, not the dogs.
 

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I sympathize, too.

And for some reason, when I have my little dog with me, calmly by my side, people with big dogs want to let them bounce up to them. Ummm, no... that dog is larger than mine and out of control. Mine will get seriously injured if you don't tighten that leash.
 

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Victor has great empathy for Eve. HE does not like little dogs to jump on him. HE does not like too big mastiff puppies to think he is a raft in the water. He just doesn't want to be touched unless it is his idea. Eve you can come run with us, no one will jump, invade, or do anything but play bow and take off like a rocket.
 

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The amount of times I've called out to people to get their dog because Buster isn't friendly and got the reply "It's okay, mine needs to be taught a lesson" is ridiculous. WTF!?
1. why would you be happy for your dog to get the snot beat out of it? Being bullied by other dogs sure helped Buster come a long way. Want your own version of him?
2. I'm trying to convince bUster he doesn't need to fight with everydog he see's and not eveyr dog is going to invade his space... thanks for the help.
 

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The amount of times I've called out to people to get their dog because Buster isn't friendly and got the reply "It's okay, mine needs to be taught a lesson" is ridiculous. WTF!?
1. why would you be happy for your dog to get the snot beat out of it? Being bullied by other dogs sure helped Buster come a long way. Want your own version of him?
2. I'm trying to convince bUster he doesn't need to fight with everydog he see's and not eveyr dog is going to invade his space... thanks for the help.
UGH yah that whole "oh, no worries, mine needs to be taught a lesson" like wtf. Although yes, some dogs DO need to learn the lesson, but that is in playing and the other dog WILL tell them off when need be.

Mind you, I really would like to take Ren to the ferret rescue where they have a bully, and let those two at it. I figure maybe, just maybe, Ren will learn to be nice :p :rofl1:
 

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It is that very nature you describe in your letter to Eve that makes me love the breed so deeply. Aeron did not like other dogs, she was too busy for other dogs. But she was never rude, never instigated and always tried to remove herself from the situation. She was the consummate lady in all situations.

People see a BC and think "hey! They are not aggressive, off you go fluffy, go and torture it". It is wrong, it is rude and it makes me crazy.
 

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The amount of times I've called out to people to get their dog because Buster isn't friendly and got the reply "It's okay, mine needs to be taught a lesson" is ridiculous. WTF!?
I've heard that too!

I was walking Daisy, a 75lb black lab, and Benji, a 20lb terrier mix, in my old neighborhood one day and this bichon comes running at us. I could tell by his body language he just wanted to say hi to my dogs, but my dogs really don't appreciate having loose dogs run at them, and I asked the owner to please get her dog, my dogs are uncomfortable being approached on leash. She came after her dog, but also said "its ok, let him get bit, maybe he'll learn not to run off!" :eek: Let me get this straight, you WANT your 10lb fluffy thing to get bitten by my 75lb dog? *shakes head* luckily my dogs don't get too ruffled by little dogs, they just kinda want them to go away.

Some people!
 

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