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#41
Cool. I don't find it appropriate to beg on a forum for people to fund some bleeding heart's hoarding project. Shall we agree to call it a stalemate? ;)
But it doesn't have to be a one or the other - there's always option 3 of just plain old euthanizing, like some others have suggested. Doesn't have to be save them or snake food. And, ultimately, it's up to PitBullLover.
 

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I love rats and if there was a way to get a couple here I'd definitely take a couple.

But realistically you have too many pets. Take a step back and look at those pics. Some of these pets are great in group and not being handled. But a lot of them really do thrive with human interaction and even if you did get money to take them to the vet I just don't see any way you can work and still give these animals the attention you need.

I do disagree completely with telling her to feed these PETS to other animals. I get if you like snakes or other rodent eating animals but these are pets and it's obvious that she cares about them a lot.

For anyone who has ever owned rats as actual pets they are incredibly smart and bond very close to their people.

As for surgery in your situation I can't really support you trying to get that for all of them. Maybe one or two but all the ones that sound like they need help? No it's just not feasible. If you have some younger ones who are friendly and you have the money for it I could see that but really it doesn't sound like many are adoptable.


How are these "loved pets?" They're pet store rejects that someone supposedly dumped. Makes so much more sense to spend tens or hundreds of dollars euthanizing them ("humanely" isn't a word I'd use for the method normally used by vets on small rodents, but whatever helps people sleep better) and throwing them out with the trash than it does to recycle them. I mean I guess we could donate to have them individually cremated too...
Just because the original owner ditched them doesn't mean that they aren't now loved pets. Are rescued dogs just pet store rejects? How you're wording it here makes it sound like rescued animals aren't loved and cared for pets and that's an incredibly hurtful and wrong opinion.

If you go to rat forums and mailing lists people DO get their rats cremated. Not usually individually most of them will freeze them and have it done as a group. Personally I've buried mine. The idea of having a dead frozen pet in my house kind of creeps me out. But it is something that is done.

I DO agree about euthanizing them. Most vets, even exotic animal vets, aren't very good at putting down rats. And when they do it wrong it is incredibly painful and incredibly drawn out.

I'm not going to suggest feeding pets to other animals. But you really do need to cut your numbers pretty quick. I'd contact rodent rescues in your area to see if any could help by TAKING them. Not helping with care for you to keep them but by actually taking them off your hands.

Also try ratlist. It's a mailing list I use to be on. These people can help find home for rats and they are experienced in getting rats transported. They may be able to help you out a lot.
 
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But it doesn't have to be a one or the other - there's always option 3 of just plain old euthanizing. And, ultimately, it's up to PitBullLover.
Euthanizing a RAT involves either gassing, or shoving a needle into their heart. They'll usually ask you to leave the room when they do this because the animal typically screams in pain when this happens. And then they get tossed out with the rest of the bio-trash.

Ultimately, PitBullLover doesn't have a job or the money to pay for a vet to do this, so ultimately, it's really up to those of us who choose to donate...or not.
 
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But it doesn't have to be a one or the other - there's always option 3 of just plain old euthanizing, like some others have suggested. Doesn't have to be save them or snake food. And, ultimately, it's up to PitBullLover.
Thats like throwing away a whole hog, because it was someones pet. I'll take the bacon thanks.
 
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Bre's grown up here with us. It's not like she's someone drive-by posting for help. The reason her join date doesn't look like she's been here that long is because her previous account got compromised.
 
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Bre's grown up here with us. It's not like she's someone drive-by posting for help. The reason her join date doesn't look like she's been here that long is because her previous account got compromised.
So? Post count or years spent on forum means someone isn't getting in over their heads? Teal wasn't a newbie either, but hey, see how well that worked out?
 

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I've ended up with foster dogs that were "dumped rejects"... it doesn't mean that I didn't love them, or that they didn't end up in homes where they were loved.
Gavroche was a "dumped reject" and I love him.

Tango was a "dumped reject" and I'm pretty sure his owner loves him (heck, I still love him!).

If you don't want to fund it, then don't, simple as that. I can't. That's that. Even if you DID want to fund it, that doesn't mean she HAS to do what you say. She could also reject your donation. It's not anyone else's choice what ultimately happens.

And if I had a pet pig, no, I would not eat it after it died. I have chickens, and some of them have died, and we didn't eat them - nor did we feed them to the dogs or cats. It's a personal choice.
 
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Even if you DID want to fund it, that doesn't mean she HAS to do what you say. She could also reject your donation. It's not anyone else's choice what ultimately happens.
Never claimed she had to do what I say, I said she's going to be running low on options when nobody flocks to donate to the "cause."
 
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Screw you, SevenSins. You always succeed in making yourself sound like a heartless dumbass so I'm done responding to your posts entirely.

Concerning the aggression...they're great with people and hate other rats. They are too dominant to be housed with them. A neuter WILL fix this, I'm almost sure. As far as mammary tumors, I have never had o e come back after a spay. As far as myco, it actually CAN be treated and is relatively EASY to treat. ALL RATS besides a few strains of lab rats are born with Myco in their lungs, its a given that in the wrong conditions they will get a Myco flare up, which could lead to a secondary infection. They have all been treated for this and they have been treated for life as well. I could euthanize the girl with the lung issue but will continue searching for a way to go through with the spays and neuters. I'll just ignore the reptile food comments here.

Thanks everyone.
 

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You seem to be missing the point that you really need to cut down on your numbers. Even if people donate what happens when that money is gone? You come back asking for more donations? The kindest thing for the animals would be to drastically cut your numbers.
 
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Thats like throwing away a whole hog, because it was someones pet. I'll take the bacon thanks.
It's like throwing away a whole hog that is infected, has god knows what viruses, and cancer, and choosing to euthanize it instead of feeding it to another being.

Somehow I have a feeling if these were rescued rabbits or guinea pigs...or hogs...some people would be a lot less quick to suggest they be turned into food.

Bre...I do think euthanizing some, definitely not all, but the sicker of the rats, is the best choice. We've all seen animals in really, really bad shape get rescued through a lot of donations, and many always argue it's better spent on rescue animals that DON'T need rehab or medical care...but this is asking a lot of you and anyone else who donates to help animals that honestly do not have a very high chance of living a remotely long quality of life or being good, happy pets. It sounds like quite a few of these are suffering, and very people are going to think an aggressive or even older non-aggressive rat is worth the money needed to stop the suffering via medical care.

Personally, I'd look at which rats are aggressive, and which are suffering, and which need VERY expensive medical to treat, and euthanize them. It will give the rest of the rescued animals a much better chance of having a good life if you can focus more energy and money on them. Instead of giving 40+ rats a mediocre or less-than-mediocre life, you need to decide which have potential to have a quality life and use what resources you have to help them get there.
 

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You seem to be missing the point that you really need to cut down on your money. Even if people donate what happens when that money is gone? You come back asking for more donations? The kindest thing for the animals would be to drastically cut your numbers.
I think her intention is to treat the rats as best she can with donations, and find homes for them. These aren't personal pets she's looking to keep for their lifespan, they're rescued rats she's looking to rehab and place into homes.
 
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Screw you, SevenSins. You always succeed in making yourself sound like a heartless dumbass so I'm done responding to your posts entirely.
Oh yes, I'M heartless because YOU are a teenaged do-gooder/rat hoarder who expects everyone else to take responsibility for your bleeding heart and shell out what would amount to THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to spay and neuter 40+ feeder quality rats that you "just couldn't say no" to, didn't even bother posting the vet information or much of anything else to verify where this money would be going, and doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to sell your own belongings to pay for YOUR animals. But I'M the ass.
 

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You seem to be missing the point that you really need to cut down on your money. Even if people donate what happens when that money is gone? You come back asking for more donations? The kindest thing for the animals would be to drastically cut your numbers.
This. It's a sad situation, but what's going to happen when the donations run out?
 

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I think her intention is to treat the rats as best she can with donations, and find homes for them. These aren't personal pets she's looking to keep for their lifespan, they're rescued rats she's looking to rehab and place into homes.
She's already said there's nobody looking for rats in her area. Even if she means to rehome them, what happens when she can't find homes for them for a month? two months? 6 months? a year? They still need to be fed.
 

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From the ethical viewpoint of someone who appreciates all life - aside from the viewpoint of a person with rats or a person with 'herps- if it hasn't been said already, it's unethical to feed live rodents. Period. It's heavily suggested to feed f/t, and convert to- It's unethical and ridiculous to submit an animal to an enclosure where its last dying moments will be spent in a panicked frenzy where it has no chance for escape or no chance for a humane ending. It's unethical to place a frenzied, panicked animal in a snake's enclosure where the snake has no room to flee if necessary- obviously rats possess incredibly sharp teeth, and it isn't uncommon to discover a snake with a gouged eye or punctured snout. I would also imagine it to be unethical to submit dozens of either untested or knowledgeably ill animals for consumption- there just doesn't seem to be anything logical about that. Especially if the animals are dedicated to maintaining an animal whose purpose of possession is to be provided the best care - as a "pet".

As well, in response to the Dirty Jobs/Mike Rowe reference - there are a lot of members here who do in fact, lobby for or lean toward food for their animals which is at or close-to human-grade consumption as possible.



OP, check out http://www.goosemoose.com/ if you haven't already- I believe I saw your post there possibly a week or two ago.

These people establish rat trains, and this is a hub for hardcore rat rescuers and breeders alike. Possibly add more detail to your post- they'll know what to do.

Before you Euth, give them your whole story. They helped find homes for 1,000+ rats when a man was found with domestic rats had overtaken his home in San Jose(breeding accident. Hoarders did a "special" on it). They occasional help groups of high-number rescue rats, with illnesses, all the time. There are like 30 in Brooklyn right now, being dished out around the NE. Rats are actually reasonably popular pets.


Also, if it helps, Operation Roger delivered two rats to my doorstep from I believe over fourteen hours away. I would not be surprised at all if there were a compassionate driver out there who could bring a full cage of ratties to a destination where they could get treatment, or care.
http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/


The best of luck. I'm actually in PDX, OR, and if I didn't have a boy with resp. issues who needs a vet appt. right now, I'd consider taking one in.
 

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Oh yes, I'M heartless because YOU are a teenaged do-gooder/rat hoarder who expects everyone else to take responsibility for your bleeding heart and shell out what would amount to THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to spay and neuter 40+ feeder quality rats that you "just couldn't say no" to, didn't even bother posting the vet information or much of anything else to verify where this money would be going, and doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to sell your own belongings to pay for YOUR animals. But I'M the ass.
1. They aren't HER personal animals. They are rescue animals that she is trying to find new, permanent homes for. She's not trying to get other people to pay for HER pets, any more than people who find a pit bull that's been set on fire and want donations for their surgeries are trying to get you to pay for their personal animals.

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Quite frankly, what everyone else does or doesn't do =/= your posts making you sound like any less of an ass. I don't agree with A LOT of things on this forum that you also don't agree with, and I still find many of your posts extremely rude and uncalled for.

You don't have to make someone out to be some kind of completely off-the-wall moron in order to tell them you don't think what they're doing is right. If I was in the OP's place and someone told me I should stop trying to be a "bleeding heart" and begging for money for "MY" animals, I'd tell them to f*** off, too.

If someone told me they thought that the money I was asking for could go to much better use, and this project was over my head, without using derogatory language and attacking me, I MIGHT listen.
 

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Oh yes, I'M heartless because YOU are a teenaged do-gooder/rat hoarder who expects everyone else to take responsibility for your bleeding heart and shell out what would amount to THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to spay and neuter 40+ feeder quality rats that you "just couldn't say no" to, didn't even bother posting the vet information or much of anything else to verify where this money would be going, and doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to sell your own belongings to pay for YOUR animals. But I'M the ass.

I don't know about "ass", but you do sound very angry for another human being addressing a reasonably young person, and you seem to jump to a lot of stipulations without reason. That's unfortunate.
 

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