How does a 4.0 student not understand the word 'illegal'?

[GipsyQueen]

Then explain to me once again how Germany works it's immigration laws please. And explain to me once again how Germany works it's healthcare as well.

I do believe you've told me before that only citizens can receive the community healthcare yes? Well what of an illegal to germany that really needs a procedure to save their life but has no money to pay for this procedure?

I was in no way compairing or rediculing your immigration laws. I was only stating my opinion. I would have no other opinion if this was going on here.
Our illegal immgration can't really be compaired with the USA's. We don't have the same problems as you do, because don't have an boarders to countries that are not part of the EU.
So she can go to a community college, but then she may not have the same career chances as she would if she were going to an ivy league school. It's punishing her for a fault her parents did - and this is just not right. It would not be right here, or in the USA or in any other country.

 

[milos_mommy]

GO...keep in mind she didn't CHOOSE to be here illegally. She didn't do anything illegal. If you punished everyone for their parents crimes, so many would be screwed. Should babies born to mothers in prison have to grow up behind bars?

 

[GlassOnion]

Ok so you let her stay, what do you do with the parents? They very much so chose to come here illegally, so we deport them right? But now we're breaking up a family! So we let them stay.

Other illegals see this precedence, go 'holy ****, all we have to do is have our baby stay there for 'X' years and we're good to go!'. Now what? Get swamped with tons of new 5 - 8 year old kids (and their associated family) so they can grow up here so their parents can stay? Our schools aren't strained enough? Our infrastructure isn't strained enough? Not all of the illegals would go (or even go) to the big cities, but where else are they going to get enough anonymity to fly under the radar for 10+ years?

So she can go to a community college, but then she may not have the same career chances as she would if she were going to an ivy league school. It's punishing her for a fault her parents did - and this is just not right. It would not be right here, or in the USA or in any other country.

She's not getting punished though. She's a legal citizen of Mexico (or wherever she came from), she can go to university there, and come in as an exchange student. She HAS options!

And a degree from a lower tier college only affects you for your first few jobs, after that it's based on your actual experience and performance. I know people are going to balk at that, but there's plenty of successful people who didn't go to Ivy league schools. She may not have the BEST opportunity, but there's also plenty of people here legally that don't have the BEST opportunity either.

 

[Renee750il]

Here the illegals stay more in the smaller cities, GO. They don't hide; the companies that brought them here have given them a sense of security in the paperwork they've provided. Plus, there's no enforcement in the area. It's far away -- in the metro areas.

 

[CaliTerp07]

Ok so you let her stay, what do you do with the parents? They very much so chose to come here illegally, so we deport them right? But now we're breaking up a family! So we let them stay.

Other illegals see this precedence, go 'holy ****, all we have to do is have our baby stay there for 'X' years and we're good to go!'. Now what? Get swamped with tons of new 5 - 8 year old kids (and their associated family) so they can grow up here so their parents can stay? Our schools aren't strained enough? Our infrastructure isn't strained enough? Not all of the illegals would go (or even go) to the big cities, but where else are they going to get enough anonymity to fly under the radar for 10+ years?




She's not getting punished though. She's a legal citizen of Mexico (or wherever she came from), she can go to university there, and come in as an exchange student. She HAS options!

And a degree from a lower tier college only affects you for your first few jobs, after that it's based on your actual experience and performance. I know people are going to balk at that, but there's plenty of successful people who didn't go to Ivy league schools. She may not have the BEST opportunity, but there's also plenty of people here legally that don't have the BEST opportunity either.

Depends what you want to do. You will never work for a top consulting firm or top investment bank if you didn't go to an ivy level school. Though, I'm not sure how someone here illegally would be able to get a job using a degree anyway--it's been standard protocol at all interviews that they ask, "Are you legally allowed to work in this country?" and then later ask for social security card/passport/etc.

Regardless, I REALLY hope she gets to attend Berkeley. If America wants to be top in education, we need to be accepting the best and the brightest to our universities, regardless of nationality, and finding a way for them to attend.

 

[GipsyQueen]

She's not getting punished though. She's a legal citizen of Mexico (or wherever she came from), she can go to university there, and come in as an exchange student. She HAS options!

And a degree from a lower tier college only affects you for your first few jobs, after that it's based on your actual experience and performance. I know people are going to balk at that, but there's plenty of successful people who didn't go to Ivy league schools. She may not have the BEST opportunity, but there's also plenty of people here legally that don't have the BEST opportunity either.

Sure she HAS opptions. But why shouldn't she have the same chances as any other kid in her school with the same GPA? Someone who is there illegally would not have the same problems she does at recieving a student loan to offord a great college. She worked her way up in school, she has a great GPA and she was rewarded by getting into a great school - she deserves a chance. She is probably one of the best in her graduating class. She will probably do great in college, and could become a great part of the American sociaty.

You worked hard to get into Vet school, right? How would you feel if you were denied to go, because your parents came to the US illegally and you weren't eligable to get loan?

Though, I'm not sure how someone here illegally would be able to get a job using a degree anyway--it's been standard protocol at all interviews that they ask, "Are you legally allowed to work in this country?" and then later ask for social security card/passport/etc.

I'm not sure on what the laws in the US are, but having a college degree - maybe one with great grades - will make it easier for her to become a legal allien or citizin who is allowed to work in the US.

 

[Renee750il]

I went to a community college for awhile -- now THAT was a colossal waste of time and money. I'd have gotten more out of bartending school. There was nothing there I hadn't already gotten in high school. It really would be a terrible waste of a mind to send someone who has the capability to make those kinds of grades to a JuCo. There's a reason jucos are used for qualifying football players who don't have grades.

 

[CaliTerp07]

I went to a community college for awhile -- now THAT was a colossal waste of time and money. I'd have gotten more out of bartending school. There was nothing there I hadn't already gotten in high school. It really would be a terrible waste of a mind to send someone who has the capability to make those kinds of grades to a JuCo. JuCos are good for qualifying football players.

There are good ones and bad ones. California actually has one of the top community college systems in the country. If you do well, most campuses have partnerships with one or two UCs or CSUs to guarantee transfer once you complete all the prereqs.

 

[jammer]

Getting a green card to another country is not supposed to be easy. Becoming a citizen is NOT supposed to be easy. GET.OVER.IT. If a person is here illegally, then they need to be immediately deported. Why? Because they are ALREADY breaking US laws. I get so tired of the bleeding hearts screaming about the injustice of it all. Why don't you put all YOUR taxes in a basket and help these people out. I don't want to pay for the healthcare of anchor babies. I do not want to pay for their education, lunches, or college. My family and I have paid taxes for years and yet I don't qualify for the same services an illegal alien does. Why is that? I'm a citizen, I was born here, my family has been here for years upon years, yet I DO NOT QUALIFY. See a problem with this? People are sick and tired of their money being wasted on bogus government spending and people who don't do a **** thing to earn their stay here. They pay property taxes? HARDLY. Most of them live several to a home. The amount of property taxes they might pay doesn't cover the amount of kids they are putting through our educational system.

I find it extremely interesting that people say the citizenship test is hard. I talked with a LEGAL citizen of the United States who came from Mexico. Her words were this "That test was the equivalent of a 6th grade history course." I wouldn't say that's difficult. In fact, I'd say that's pretty darn easy. If someone wants to make a better life for themselves I'm all for it. This requires work. Life requires work. Learn English, learn US history, learn the process, and make your move once that's arranged.

Sometimes life isn't fair. Sometimes people are born into wealthy families and sometimes they are not. Sometimes people are born in Mexico and sometimes they aren't. It's a part of life that you deal with and if you want to get ahead, you do it the right way. Mexico will detain and deport if you are there illegally. I'm thrilled that someone is finally making a stand for this country. All this whoa is me, whoa is them garbage is why this country is shouldering debt as large as ours.

If this girl can't go to college at UCB she can certainly go to college in the country from which she originated. Are you telling that someone with a 4.0 didn't realize that being an illegal alien would present problems getting a government loan? Well, let's take a look at this scenario...Say she gets loans to get through college. She then decides she'd like to return to her home country and leaves the US. She fails to pay her loans. Who pays for them? We do. Do you want to? I don't and that is why they are denying her. Her parents screwed up. Parents do that sometimes and kids pay for it. She is no exception and shouldn't be treated as such. But, wait...she'll be treated as if she were a victim of the big bad US of A.

 

[milos_mommy]

Jammer, I don't think anyone is saying the citizenship test is hard, we're saying the process of becoming a citizen, getting the required paperwork to begin with, and getting it processed, is very difficult and lengthy and heart-wrenching.

No, GO. I don't believe her parents have the right to stay.

Here's an idea (I'm half-joking)....if parents want to bring their children here illegally, let's deport them. The children can stay in foster care (yes I know this would totally swamp the foster care system and open another whole can of constitutional worms, hence the joking).

 

[milos_mommy]

Well, let's take a look at this scenario...Say she gets loans to get through college. She then decides she'd like to return to her home country and leaves the US. She fails to pay her loans. Who pays for them? We do. Do you want to? I don't and that is why they are denying her. Her parents screwed up. Parents do that sometimes and kids pay for it. She is no exception and shouldn't be treated as such. But, wait...she'll be treated as if she were a victim of the big bad US of A.

Yes. If my taxes were going to support the education of a VERY intelligent and hardworking individual, I do.

In what other situation, where a parent screws up and the kid pays for it, is comparable to this one?

What's the likelyhood she is going to return to Mexico after this, really? My guess is she's probably going to TRY to become a citizen and remain here illegally for the years upon years it takes. She probably won't ever be able to become a citizen because I'm sure she has absolutely no paper or records from Mexico from 10 years ago, and she never did.

 

[Vintage Boxers]

....in general....

Bleeding hearts got us IN the situation...and the hole just keeps getting dug deeper.

I say GO ARIZONA

Come here LEGALLY...problem solved...and yes i read every post and i still say....LEGALLY here, no problem with me, scale a fence or get here illegally....time to send you home.

 

[jammer]

Yes. If my taxes were going to support the education of a VERY intelligent and hardworking individual, I do.

In what other situation, where a parent screws up and the kid pays for it, is comparable to this one?

What's the likelyhood she is going to return to Mexico after this, really? My guess is she's probably going to TRY to become a citizen and remain here illegally for the years upon years it takes. She probably won't ever be able to become a citizen because I'm sure she has absolutely no paper or records from Mexico from 10 years ago, and she never did.

Great! Then why don't they do this...they can take YOUR money and leave mine alone. For those of us who don't want to pay for her college or other illegal children, we can put our money in a safe spot no one can touch other than us. Then everyone who is soft on those who break the law and drain our system, can voluntarily support them.

How do parents mess up? Are you kidding? Take a good, hard look at our foster system. That's parental screw ups at its worse and those kids are far worse off.

 

[jammer]

Depends what you want to do. You will never work for a top consulting firm or top investment bank if you didn't go to an ivy level school. Though, I'm not sure how someone here illegally would be able to get a job using a degree anyway--it's been standard protocol at all interviews that they ask, "Are you legally allowed to work in this country?" and then later ask for social security card/passport/etc.

Regardless, I REALLY hope she gets to attend Berkeley. If America wants to be top in education, we need to be accepting the best and the brightest to our universities, regardless of nationality, and finding a way for them to attend.

If you really hope she gets to attend, why don't you offer to pay for it?

 

[Pam111]

Great! Then why don't they do this...they can take YOUR money and leave mine alone. For those of us who don't want to pay for her college or other illegal children, we can put our money in a safe spot no one can touch other than us. Then everyone who is soft on those who break the law and drain our system, can voluntarily support them.

How do parents mess up? Are you kidding? Take a good, hard look at our foster system. That's parental screw ups at its worse and those kids are far worse off.

but those foster kids get to go to college free

 

[jammer]

but those foster kids get to go to college free

In all honesty, how many of those kids actually make it to college? Point is, kids in foster care generally have it far worse. Kids in foster care are also for the most part citizens of the US, no? Like I said, I don't begrudge anyone trying to better themselves if they do it legally. Illegal immigration is just that...illegal.

 

[milos_mommy]

Because how is it fair if person A wants to pay for an illegal's education, but person B doesn't, so person A does, and then the illegal immigrant becomes a doctor and spends their money at person B's store, saving person B's life?


Also, kids in foster care have the opportunity to go to college. It will be payed for if they work as hard as this girl has. They turn 18 and they get all the benefits they need. They get their country to help them become successful. When they are adults, if they don't WANT to go to college, if they don't WANT to qualify for financial aid, they don't have to. This girl does want to. She's worked hard. She can't go back to Mexico to go to college. She is looking for her home country to help her. The country she grew up in and worked hard in for her whole life.

Being in foster care sucks. It sucks to not know where you belong, to not have a family to turn to. It sucks when the only thing that can help you is your government. Now what about when you don't even have a COUNTRY to turn to? This girl is NOT a Mexican. She's not an American, either.

 

[Pam111]

In all honesty, how many of those kids actually make it to college? Point is, kids in foster care generally have it far worse. Kids in foster care are also for the most part citizens of the US, no? Like I said, I don't begrudge anyone trying to better themselves if they do it legally. Illegal immigration is just that...illegal.

what does whether or not (for whatever reason) they don't take the opportunity to utilize free education have to do with an immigrant wanting an education and not being able to get it?

 

[CaliTerp07]

If you really hope she gets to attend, why don't you offer to pay for it?

Because that's a logical argument...

I think everyone who is smart enough and has worked hard enough to attend college should be able to qualify for funding in order to go. So now should I pay for everyone to attend?

 

[Cheza]

This is stupid. I'm here legally after spending years and thousands to do it. I support Arizona's law, and I think this chick should be sent home.

If I drove without a license, even with my Greencard on me (at all times, like it's supposed to be) I could be deported (could, not necessarily would).

I pay taxes like everyone else, the only thing I can't do is vote and server jury duty (not sad about that). If I wanted to go back to school here? I'd get in-state tuition like every other kid in CO who's lived here for 2 years or whatever it takes. And I have a VERY good GPA.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Send her home.