Heidi

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Anyone want this sweet little girl? 3 month old collie shepard mix.

I went to pick up a cat and her litter from a guy who was living in an apartment that should be condemned and right before I left, this lady who lived there says "wait hang on a second!". She runs to the upstairs apartment and comes down with little Heidi. She said that the people leave her locked outside everyday when they leave for work, or a drug run or whereever it is they go. The rarely ever fed her or anything. She begged me to take her and not tell anyone where I got her from. Seeing that the pup was outside alone at such a young age, and no one was home in the upstairs apartment, I took her. What else could I do...

So anyways, she was covered in fleas and so I treated her and dewormed her as well. I can get shots done too but I haven't had a chance yet. She is staying at my neighbors house and loves their fenced in yard. She loves being outside and playing. She is great with kids and other dogs. She also is learning to go to the door when she needs to go to the bathroom and she is great in her crate!

Oh and I am guessing on the collie shepard mix so if you think you see something else, let me know. The lady told me collie shepard mix but who knows what she is talking about. Maybe some rottie in her...

 

[britishbandit]

Hmmm, I know you were only doing (and this lady) what you both thought was best, but to take someones dog without talking to them or having them agree to it is illegal. And if you are caught with the dog, you could be charged with theft.

I think if this woman was that concerned about the welfare of the dog, she should've contacted the humane society or animal welfare and reported the owners and had them investigated. And let the authorities handle it. It would be different if the owners had asked you to take the dog, but what you have done is stolen a dog. Even with the best intentions, it is still theft.

 

[Charliesmommy]

So, you stole a puppy? I would not be posting that on a public forum if I were you.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Well, she was given to me technically. She was also loose outside with no identification... so the way I look at it, I saved this poor girl from a slow death and crappy life. I am not concerned. They are horrible animal owners anyways. I have taken cats from them before that they didn't say for sure yes to go ahead and take. In otherwords, I am not concerned in the slightest

I would rather them come after me for stealing then for this poor dog to be starved and neglected another day...

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Oh and those people barely have electricity, let alone a computer with internet connection.

 

[Tazwell]

If the people have no vet records, ID, or license on the dog, I don't see their claim on her! But really, it's illegal not to report a found dog-- But I don't think anybody would prosecute you if you found her wandering the streets near the home, and you picked her up and she was filled with worms, and covered in fleas so you assumed she was a stray

Regardless, good luck with her!

 

[britishbandit]

She runs to the upstairs apartment and comes down with little Heidi. She said that the people leave her locked outside everyday when they leave for work, or a drug run or whereever it is they go. The rarely ever fed her or anything. She begged me to take her and not tell anyone where I got her from. Seeing that the pup was outside alone at such a young age, and no one was home in the upstairs apartment, I took her. What else could I do...

Ok, you just said this dog was left outside all day, but the lady ran upstairs to get her? And why do you think the dog wasn't fed? She doesn't look malnourished to me. There's also a reason the woman begged you not to tell anyone where you got her, because it is THEFT!

Wow, I'm glad you don't live in my area! You'd accuse me of abusing and neglecting my animals too, as mine are locked up when I'm not home as well! Heaven forbid I do it for their own safety. I have to say you've just been lucky, and sneaky about it. If someone ever took any of my pets, you can bet your arse I'd hunt them down and sue the pants off of them.

 

[Angel Chicken]

Ok, you just said this dog was left outside all day, but the lady ran upstairs to get her? And why do you think the dog wasn't fed? She doesn't look malnourished to me. There's also a reason the woman begged you not to tell anyone where you got her, because it is THEFT!

Wow, I'm glad you don't live in my area! You'd accuse me of abusing and neglecting my animals too, as mine are locked up when I'm not home as well! Heaven forbid I do it for their own safety. I have to say you've just been lucky, and sneaky about it. If someone ever took any of my pets, you can bet your arse I'd hunt them down and sue the pants off of them.

Wow, your way out of line here... If you read her first post, it says

She runs to the upstairs apartment and comes down with little Heidi. She said that the people leave her locked outside everyday when they leave for work, or a drug run or whereever it is they go. The rarely ever fed her or anything. She begged me to take her and not tell anyone where I got her from.

The other lady took her, not ALCR. The dog was GIVEN to ALCR to be taken to her home, which is a rescue. If the dog doesn't have any sort of identification, then it is considered a stray. It is RESCUING. She took the poor thing off the hands of this other lady, who took it off the street. Sorry, but no dog deserves to be sitting outside locked up anywhere.

READ the previous posts before you go jumping down someone's throat.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

britishbandit-what do you mean when you say 'your dogs are locked up when you are not home too'? I never said this pup was locked up anywhere, she SHOULD have been locked up but instead she was running loose all over the place. Did you not READ what I posted? I don't even know where you got that from. And unless your puppy is skinny and covered in fleas with patches of hair missing with a bloated wormy belly, left loose outside all day long, then of course I wouldn't accuse you of being abusive/neglectful. If you are wondering why I would call a dog in this condition as being neglected, then I am very worried about your own dogs...


I should have clairified the upstairs part. The stairs to the upper apartments are on the outside. The dog was running up and down the stairs and around the parking lot and street area, it just happened that when she called the dog, it was upstairs (outside) walking around. That picture was taken after I had her for a week or so. I cleaned her up and bathed her, got her fleas and mud and dirt and all the crap that was stuck to her off. These people don't care at all about their pets. She was SO skinny, their apartments are fulled with feces and urine all over the place from various animals running around. I have taken so many cats from the area to rehome, the lady who handed me the pup knew that so she gave me Heidi too.

 

[britishbandit]

Wow, your way out of line here... I

Someone steals a dog and I'm out of line? :lol-sign: Please forgive me. :hail:

READ the previous posts before you go jumping down someone's throat.

I did READ it. The OP KNEW, that the woman who got the dog from upstairs WAS NOT the owner, therefore, the woman had no business asking the OP to take her, nor did the OP have any right to accept the dog. They are both in the wrong. Unless she is a staff member of animal control or animal welfare, and an investigation had been done to determine if in fact the dog was being neglected or abused in some way, it was the wrong thing to do. There are legal ways to go about rescuing an animal, and just taking a dog with no clue as to whether or not it was actually in jeopardy isn't one of them.

Just last year, in mid September, a woman by the name of Tammy Grimes (founder of Dogs Deserve Better), was arrested for removing a dog from a home who was chained up and that she believed to by dying. Yet the dog didn't even need overnight veterinary care. I neither agree nor disagree with what she did, I'm sure put in the same situation, I'd want to get the dog out of there as well. But again, there are legal procedures to be followed.

No matter how many ways you look at it, it is illegal, and it is theft.

ETA - You said ACLR. in your original post that the dog was "locked outside", that is where I got that you said the dog was locked up. As for mine, when I am not home, they are crated.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

ETA - You said ACLR. in your original post that the dog was "locked outside", that is where I got that you said the dog was locked up. As for mine, when I am not home, they are crated.

Gotcha. I didn't mean "locked UP" outside, I mean simply banned from the house and left loose. I was thinking that you were thinking that the pup was locked in a cage which she wasn't, be it outside or inside. Nothing against crates at all and if she were crated outside, at least I would have looked if they were feeding her and stuff. I wouldn't have taken her then. But since she was loose, running around, very thin, covered in fleas and dirt and mud and stuff, and had no identification on her, I would have taken her regardless of whether or not the lady told me she belonged to someone. I have worked with animals long enough to clearly see that this dog was very much neglected. I know the lady who handed me the dog well enough to know that none of the people in this apartment building take care of any of their animals. The place is filthy, feces and urine all over the place, it smells horrible, there is just trash and stuff everywhere.

TECHNICALLY taking something that is not yours is stealing. I didn't say it wasn't but I still do not care, and I don't care if someone comes after me. I just am not going to bother taking the time to call the animal control because they don't do a thing, and these people will just shoot the dog or kill it somehow if they don't dump it because they did it already with some cats and kittens when animal control was called on them. They are just awful nasty disgusting people, friendly sure, but no sense on hygiene or anything remotely cleanly... and they DO NOT care about their animals.

I think this is just an opinion here, you will think one thing and I will think another. I don't go around doing this all the time. I was just handed the dog and spur of the moment decision, no one was around, I couldn't leave her there. I don't go around comitting crimes and justifying them in silly ways or anything, I probably shouldn't have taken her, but I honestly am not worried because I KNOW these people probably just think she ran away.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Also the people would have to prove that the puppy was theirs to begin with. If I say that she is mine now because I found her in the street and they say the puppy is theirs it's just my word against theirs.

I guarentee they have no vet records, medical records, I highly doubt even pictures of her. Now I do have her vet record, and many many pictures. I am not doing this to be a mean person and steal someones dog. She was in bad shape, running loose with no ID so I took her. I knew she belonged to someone but I would never do something like that if she was happy and healthy, from a non trashy apartment and non trashy people and they were HOME and didn't leave her running loose.

The lady who handed her over could be lying for all I know. BUT the fact that Heidi was in the conditions I said above, I would have taken her regardless.

 

[britishbandit]

I am not doing this to be a mean person and steal someones dog. .

Well I don't think you are trying to be a mean person. Obviously we just have a different view on the situation.

I'm not trying to cause any problems by asking, but do you happen to have any pictures of Heidi when you first got her? If not, no biggie, but it would be interesting to see what kind of condition she was in before hand.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

No unfortunately i did not take any. My camera wasn't charged and I took her right to my friends house to foster her. I so WISH I did though.

 

[Sweet72947]

Just last year, in mid September, a woman by the name of Tammy Grimes (founder of Dogs Deserve Better), was arrested for removing a dog from a home who was chained up and that she believed to by dying. Yet the dog didn't even need overnight veterinary care. I neither agree nor disagree with what she did, I'm sure put in the same situation, I'd want to get the dog out of there as well. But again, there are legal procedures to be followed.

By the way, I thought I would mention that the dog Tammy Grimes took was INDEED near death, and they took video to prove it. Oh, and they did try going through legal channels first, but the AC wouldn't do anything. In the videos you can clearly see another dog tied up in the same yard, a white german shepherd that Tammy DID NOT take because it was NOT in distress. If I she was into stealing random dogs off chains for no reason, I'm sure she would have taken him too.

Edited to add this link, so that you can see for yourself: http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/doogie.html

 

[noludoru]

I think some bullies need to remember that we are NOT on the playground anymore, and we need to not leap down people's throats just because we feel like it. Yikes.

But again, there are legal procedures to be followed.

Perhaps it didn't occur to you, britishbandit, but the dog was obviously very neglected and in a dangerous situation. (Maybe you don't consider a young dog loose in a parking lot dangerous..?) Sadly in many of these situations AC won't do anything. In my situation it turned out the AC officer was friends with the people abusing MY dog (though he wasn't mine then) and gave them a pat on the back for his "care." 60 ticks, chronic diarrhea, no shade, small plastic cat-sized "house," nothing but a 10lb bag of shavings in the winter (their other dog died because of this), and a ten foot chain.... won't even mention his food or water, as that's more than disgusting enough. Sadly abuse in the eyes of the law is very different than abuse in the eyes of an animal.

ALCR, my personal opinion is that you're too kind. That was most definitely a RESCUE. I'm sure Heidi is thrilled, and I am VERY glad you have fixed her up. You have such a big heart, taking care of so many animals. Good luck with Heidi--I hope she finds a GREAT home!!!

 

[Buddy'sParents]

ALCR- you are my favorite person for the day. Rock on. Someone give her a cookie...

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Oh hey thanks guys!! I wasn't looking to cause any trouble on here. I really do need to find this girl a home, she is the sweetst little girl. So spread the word!

 

[britishbandit]

I think some bullies need to remember that we are NOT on the playground anymore, and we need to not leap down people's throats just because we feel like it. Yikes.

I wasn't jumping down anyones throat, for heavens sake! I just stated the facts. Had I said something out of line, would I not have been notified by the mods or banned? I assume I would have been if what I had said was inappropriate.

Perhaps it didn't occur to you, britishbandit, but the dog was obviously very neglected and in a dangerous situation. (Maybe you don't consider a young dog loose in a parking lot dangerous..?) Sadly in many of these situations AC won't do anything. In my situation it turned out the AC officer was friends with the people abusing MY dog (though he wasn't mine then) and gave them a pat on the back for his "care." 60 ticks, chronic diarrhea, no shade, small plastic cat-sized "house," nothing but a 10lb bag of shavings in the winter (their other dog died because of this), and a ten foot chain.... won't even mention his food or water, as that's more than disgusting enough. Sadly abuse in the eyes of the law is very different than abuse in the eyes of an animal.

But how do you know what kind of shape this dog was in when she was taken? There are no pictures to show it, simply just have to take someones word? And I'm not saying ACLR is lying, but there's nothing to prove the dog was neglected or abused, so I have to look at things from both sides. And if the dog was loose in the parking lot, how was it the woman was able to get her from the upstairs? What, she just called it and it happened to come running back through the parking lot and back up the steps up to her?
And I've been to the website about Tammy Grimes, and it was that website where it stated that the dog didn't require even overnight veterinary care. But anyway. As for Animal Control doing nothing, well give them a chance to prove that theory of yours. Unless the dog really is on it's death bed, what's the harm in trying the legal way first? Then if nothing is done about it, jump in if you must. I guarentee you in my area Animal Control steps in and will remove the dog (or any animal) if need be. Just recently we had a dog in town who's owner had chopped his ears off with a kitchen knife. A neighbour reported the owner, and the dog was removed that day when Animal Control went to investigate. The owner is also being charged, and will likely do jail time on top of some hefty fines. It has also spurred the government to stiffen the laws and penalties on animal abuse and neglect. So while I can understand that not everywhere is at the level my small city is at, they aren't all as useless as you might think.

 

[Tazwell]

That is a good point, actually. Did anyone see that one episode of Reno 911 where They were called out to a man who wanted them to put his Basset Hound out of it's misery, because it had cancer, and he was too grief-stricken to do it himself? And then after they shot it, the neighbor ran out of the house, yelling because they shot her dog, and the guy said "I told you to shut that thing up! I told you!"

Ahem... So anyway, the point is I suppose it always could be a case like that...