"Guardy" Breeds and Dog Aggression

sillysally

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Before I start I want to say that I don't believe in dogs as security systems, but am interested in having a "guardy" breed in the future. Sally looks and sounds imposing, but assuming she won't live forever (although I've instructed her to), I'd like to have a dog around that is somewhat alert and imposing. I'm not thinking Fila type imposing--I live in a well populated area and want to take this dog out to places in public.

The thing is that with many guardy breeds same sex aggression or just plain old dog aggression seems to be common. Is this something that just has to be lived with in such breeds, or are there protective breeds that are more on the dog friendly side (doesn't have to be Labrador dog friendly, just on the less aggressive side)?
 

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From my own personal experience, it seems like most guardy-type dogs that have DA problems tend to be more directed to strange dogs...dogs that aren't family or part of "the pack". Which, IMO, makes sense. I also think a lot of it is going to depend on the general nature of the individual dog. For example, I know a ton of Rotties that are in multi dog homes and they have no issues...but these same Rotties may not do well in a dog park type setting.

Chesapeakes are a guardy-type breed and while on paper they are said to have the potential for DA, Abrams is in no way DA. He may not care to greet and play with other dogs in public (and I imagine if I constantly forced it he could have developed defensive attitudes towards other dogs), but I would in no way label him as aggressive. His breeder took great pride in the fact that all of her dogs used in her breeding program were dog social (aka, not dog aggressive).

If you are interested in a LGD, Spanish Mastiffs are known for being very household animal (including other dogs) and child friendly.
 

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From my own personal experience, it seems like most guardy-type dogs that have DA problems tend to be more directed to strange dogs...dogs that aren't family or part of "the pack".
I would agree with blackrose. I would add that the more intense the actual guarding instincts, generally speaking, the less tolerant of any kind of aggression (or "dominance") in other dogs (or people). This, in and of itself, is not DA.

Are you concerned with issues within "your pack", or just general DA?

Also, there are a lot of dogs which "look and sounds imposing" but, in reality, if push comes to shove, are pretty useless at guarding. Are you looking for a visual deterrent, or an actual protective dog?

 

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I was going to say what the above said. May not be a dog park dog, but should do ok with fellow family dogs.
 

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my friend is a dog trainer and he mainly trains german shepherds and belgian malinois. i think the malinois is an excellent guard dog and is extremely trainable and stable. Rottweilers are pretty imposing, bullmastiffs, ...the list is long . i have myself a central asian shepherd (CAO) almost 5 months old, he is already very imposing but very friendly with other dogs. he started showing some guarding instincts. i have seen some very DA CAO and some CAO s are very friendly but all are imposing.
 

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I've been on the hunt for a good guardy breed for a long time, with DA and SSA being the biggest disqualifications on the list.

Sadly, that does knock out a lot of good guardian breeds. Especially SSA. Dobermans, all of the shepherds, and most molosser breeds have a pretty strong chance of being SSA. Enough that I personally don't feel comfortable bringing one into the house with the male and female borzois.

This is what I narrowed it down to:

Tibetan Mastiff - Pros: tends to be good with dogs in the same household. Cons: read this post, http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2097960&postcount=6the individuals in that post sound 100x more intense than any fila I have ever met, and I've got a fair few under my belt now.

Kuvasz: For a guardian breed, I love love love love love kuvasz. The dealbreaker for me is the giant poofy WHITE coat. My climate is horrible for poofy white dogs. Hands down. Other than that I would own one in a heartbeat, and for people experienced with guardian breeds/independent dogs that are looking for a social, gentle family dog that will die to protect you, they would be at the top of the list.

Katalin was extremely well socialized and well trained when she came to stay with me. She also has a really good, stable temperament. She had ZERO reaction to rude dogs running up to her off leash or lunging/barking at her. After an initial assessment to determine whether a-hole dog was a threat to the human holding her leash, she'd just kind of shrug and put them on ignore no matter how rude or loud or aggressive or obnoxious they were. It was one of my favorite things about her. She also welcomed people we invited in, and wanted to eat people we didn't. She was very social and gracious in public, and enjoyed people petting her and telling her she was so pretty.

She also was great with my dogs and non confrontational with Strider when he decided he wanted to eat her at first. She did every kind of appeasing behavior to try and diffuse the tension. He did warm up to her and become good buddies after a couple of weeks.

The big thing to remember is that came from the ideal combination of a fantastic temperament and being raised by someone who was totally dedicated to her socialization and training. I've never met a badly raised/bred one so don't know how bad they get when they do go wrong.

Azawakh: Okay. So they don't look imposing. Especially if it's cold and you have sweaters on them. lol. Regardless of their size/looks, they have been used extensively as livestock guardians in the Sahel for generations. They get along great with other dogs in their own households and often outside their family. They LOATHE strangers. They are very vocal about it. Many azawakh breeders have emphasized to me that it may take months for an azawakh to warm up to a new person, and that's totally normal. They also have all said that a stranger will not be able to enter your home with an azawakh loose. They won't allow it.

Filas: They are intense as guard dogs. They can be safely taken in public, provided you socialize them and start out with a dog that has a good stable temperament. One of my friends that breeds them has a wonderful male that won high in trial at a regional protection trial. He goes out with her all. the. time. Busy places too, like bus and train stations. They have a super close and trusting relationship though. Filas tend to be better with other dogs and less prone to DA than some of the other molosser breeds.

I would hesitate to recommend a CAO or CAS. True, there are lines that do well with other dogs. But then there are lines that were bred for dog fighting. I can only think of one line I would personally consider a dog from, and don't know if she is even breeding any more. Many of them are also VERY intense guard dogs, on par with the Tibetan mastiffs in the post linked above.
 

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OH! Can't believe I forgot because they're still a top contender:

Shikoku-ken.

They're on the mediumish smallish side. They were bred for hunting boar and deer. Pretty independent, but much more handler oriented than other Japanese spitz breeds. NOTHING like a shiba inu, despite their looks. They are very protective of their families, guardy, tough, and generally get along well with other dogs. I'm hoping to meet some in person later this year. The breeders I've been in contact with said that some males can have SSA tendencies, but most females and a good number of males get along well with other dogs.

Plus they're super cute. I don't know if they count as imposing because of the cute/size though.
 

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Dalmatians somewhat fit your description. They generally get along well with other dogs. Although some lines can be SSA. As far as imposing, it depends on the person and the situation. I have had people scared of my dals because they met one that had a horrible temperament(due to the byb breedings caused by the movies), some people are not scared of them. But if one is barking at you, you will stop and pauses. The dal I grew up with was super friendly towards just about everyone, but you didn't dare walk into her house uninvited. She would stop you at the door. Chloe was the same way. Ivan well he just doesn't want anyone in his house. At a glance when they are being friendly, they don't look imposing at all, but when they are barking to get you to stop, or they are warning you away from something, they can look pretty imposing.
 

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I know a lot of Coros that are good with family dogs. There is the potential for DA but I have found with the Corosos I know if you are carefull about temperaments with in your home pack there is a good chance of success.

Doberman females aren't bad. You have to watch your lines and temperaments but they are a lot more tolerant than the males. Again depends on the lines and individual temperaments.
 

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I have German shepherds and a friend has Doberman.
I agree with Dalmatians being on your list.
My German shepherds are protective of my family and property. Imposing, of course. BUT I have worked hard with training and finding a good breeder. They are not aggressive in any way. I can introduce them to any dog, even females in heat, and they behave. Even friend who have been on my property many times can not enter the gate without me opening it. They will attack and kill any animal that comes on the property that I have not told them are mine, such as wild rabbits. They even guard the chickens and ducks from hawks. This is not a behavior I taught them.
The key is finding a breeder that breeds WORKING gsd. Most breed for show or competition/schutzhund, discounting the byb.
 

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