Golden retriever x pharaoh hound mix?

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My dog is not a purebred pharaoh hound. I think she's part golden retriever.

She has the shape of a pharaoh hound but her fur is more gold. Her ears are a darker gold like a golden retriever puppy. She is 3 years old. She is smart and around me she is very obedient. She is very playful. Her chest and belly are completely white

So is she part golden retriever or is it impossible to know from physical alone?
 

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What color is her nose?

If she was a golden cross, there is a 100% guarantee her nose would be black. The gene that makes pharaoh hound noses brown is recessive, and is not found in the golden retriever breed. All first generation puppies of that cross would have black noses. And probably have dark eyes as well.
 

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Not necessarily. We have a number of liver-nosed goldens in daycare around here. They're definitely not super rare or anything. Lots of Dudley labs too.
 

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Noses

There is a difference between a black nose that has faded (snow nose) and one that is completely liver colored from birth. A black nose that has faded will have at least some darker coloring around the edges. A Pharoah hound nose will be uniform in color from edge to edge.
 

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Liver pigment isn't supposed to exist in the golden retriever breed. Snow nose, where the black pigment fades to brown, is pretty common though. Any dogs that look like goldens and have true liver nose/lip/eye skin pigment and the yellow eyes to go with it are likely golden mixes. Golden and lab mixes are very common, and after a couple of generations it can be really hard to tell a mix from a BYB pure lab or golden.
 

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What is the origins of that one specific dog he uses as the example though? Was she a rescue of unknown origin? Is she pedigreed? In the comments he also says a liver golden would be "extremely rare".

Combined with the rarity of ibizan hounds it would be extremely unlikely for a first generation ibizan/golden cross to have a liver nose anyway.

As far as the standard goes:
Eyes friendly and intelligent in
expression, medium large with dark, close-fitting rims, set well apart and reasonably deep in sockets. Color preferably dark brown; medium brown acceptable.
Nose black or brownish black, though fading to a lighter shade
in cold weather not serious. Pink nose or one seriously lacking in pigmentation to be faulted.
https://cdn.akc.org/GoldenRetriever.pdf
 
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Can we see a picture of the OP's dog? I think it's quite unlikely the dog is Pharaoh Hound/Golden cross; a cross like that wouldn't look like an off-colored Pharaoh Hound. It would be more substantial, probably wouldn't have ears that stand all the way up, and probably wouldn't have the short single coat at PH does. There would be a lot more differences.

Anything could be though; I know one dog that was sold as a Labradoodle, the owners tell people is a Toller mix, and is definitely neither of those things.
 

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Depends a lot on location, too. About 25% of the goldens I see at work are liver-nosed.
Liver nosed or snow nosed? Light colored noses =/= liver coloring, and breeding them to a liver dog will produce dogs with normal pigment.

This is snow nose. Snow nose is very common in goldens. Note that the eyes are not bright yellow and eye rims are dark. This is not the same as liver.



This is a dudley lab, which is gold colored with liver pigment. Note the bright yellow eyes, and even liver pigment on nose, eye rims, and lips. There is no black ANYWHERE.


For comparison, here is a yellow lab with snow nose. Even in labs, these are often confused with dudleys. They are not. These are normal yellow labs, and should produce black nosed offpsring if bred.
 

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Yes, I do in fact understand the difference between liver pigmentation and a snow nose. Yes, about a quarter of the goldens I see at doggy daycare are liver pigmented with liver eye rims and light-colored eyes. I don't see a lot of snow noses on goldens around here, and only occasionally on yellow labs. I'll have to start counting, I may actually see more Dudley labs than snow noses. Might have something to do with our idea of winter being 60 degrees and sunny, and the fact that our daycare dogs are basically outside all day every day.
 

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^ that's got to be a regional/area/breeder thing. I don't think I've ever seen a golden with a liver pigmented nose, and maybe only one or two Dudley labs, one of which I believe was a mix. I actually can't even imagine a golden with liver coloring!
 

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It's always the very red goldens that have the liver noses. The dudley labs are usually yellow, but there's at least one very red liver-nosed lab as well.
 

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