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After much research, we've decided to get a Golden Retriever puppy. She is 8 weeks old and is coming from a very reputable breeder. Her parents are on the premises and she was health checked. She comes from a litter of 16! We are picking her up on Monday and are so excited!!! Anyway,my questions are:

Should we feed her a large breed puppy formula or regular puppy formula?
Should it be a food with lamb and rice, since Goldens may have skin/allergy problems?
Also, can I feed her a little canned food in with her dry or should I wait until she's an adult to feed her canned food? It won't make up much of her diet. Just a little added in to make it more tasty.
I would really appreciate some feedback, as this will be my first large dog and first Golden. Thanks!
 

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Wow, that's a massive litter!

I would actually avoid the puppy food all together and instead find a good, high-quality All-Life Stages food, such as Canidae. Check around this section, you will find many posts listing what is considered to be high-quality and the stuff you should probably avoid.

Start off with just normal food, chicken-based, so in the event your Golden does develop allergies, you have somewhere to go for more choices. Don't assume that she will have allergies though, many don't. Just don't feed something that has corn, soy or by-products in it and that will prevent a lot. The foods I mentioned above are all devoid of those ingredients as well.

I also wouldn't mess with adding in canned food unless necessary. Most dogs do just fine on straight kibble, maybe add in some water to it as most dogs do not drink enough water.

Welcome to the world of puppyhood! We'd love to see some pictures when you get her. :D
 

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After much research, we've decided to get a Golden Retriever puppy. She is 8 weeks old and is coming from a very reputable breeder. Her parents are on the premises and she was health checked. She comes from a litter of 16! We are picking her up on Monday and are so excited!!!
Congratulations!

Zoom gave you all of the information you need. I've been feeding Canidae All Life Stages since Herschel was 10 weeks old (he's 1 year and 4 months now) and he's thrived on it. Other companies, such as Natura (Innova, California Natural) and Timberwolf Organics have All Life Stages foods, as well. (You won't find any of these at Petsmart or Petco)

By the way, are you sure your breeder is "very reputable"? The words "parents on premises" and "health checked" sound a lot like something you would hear from a back yard breeder (or even a puppy mill).

A reputable breeder would have already discussed proper nutrition with you.
 

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This is what I know: the pups do have papers and both parents are akc registered.
I didn't get the impression that they are backyard breeders. The man really explained alot about the parents and the temperaments and health of the dogs and he really seemed sincere and knowledgeable.He also seemed very proud of his dogs.
He just seemed really helpful and didn't sound as though he was just looking to get rid of the puppies. I guess I will soon see for myself! I think I will be able to tell alot about the pups by the living conditions and surroundings.
He did mentioned that they feed nutra plan(?) or something like that, I don't remember exactly. He said that his wife would give me a small bag of the food and will explain how to go about switching brands if I wanted to.I didn't really ask about which kind of food to feed. I guess I can get their opinion when I see him.
I'm not very experienced with buying puppies but I didn't get any "bad vibes" from the breeder. I have a very good feeling about the whole thing.
I am willing to accpet advice, though, from all of you who have any experience, so thanks for the replies/concerns!
 

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This is what I know: the pups do have papers and both parents are akc registered.
I didn't get the impression that they are backyard breeders. The man really explained alot about the parents and the temperaments and health of the dogs and he really seemed sincere and knowledgeable.He also seemed very proud of his dogs.
He just seemed really helpful and didn't sound as though he was just looking to get rid of the puppies. I guess I will soon see for myself! I think I will be able to tell alot about the pups by the living conditions and surroundings.
He did mentioned that they feed nutra plan(?) or something like that, I don't remember exactly. He said that his wife would give me a small bag of the food and will explain how to go about switching brands if I wanted to.I didn't really ask about which kind of food to feed. I guess I can get their opinion when I see him.
I'm not very experienced with buying puppies but I didn't get any "bad vibes" from the breeder. I have a very good feeling about the whole thing.
I am willing to accpet advice, though, from all of you who have any experience, so thanks for the replies/concerns!


I would definately go with an All Life Stages food as recommended above. My golden has been on ALS foods since I got him and he's really thrived off of them.

Also, AKC registered doesn't mean much in the world of dogs it's just paper, and pretty much any pure bred can be registered. I have a golden that came from a bad breeder. (before I knew any better, the more I learn about breeding the more I realize that she was a byb) His parents were registered and on site also. The lady that ran the kennel was super proud of her dogs to but didn't really know anything about breeding. Turns out that the owners didn't do health testing but said they did. I would ask for more info on the testing if any was done...
 

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Wow, I'm really getting discouraged here! What I thought sounded really great may or may not be at all!!!
Any certain specifics I should look for? Please help soon because Monday will be here before I know it and I need to know all I can. Believe me, if something gives me the wrong impression or makes me have any doubts, I will leave there empty handed. But If the pups were checked for health problems, wouldn't it be documented or wouldn't the breeder have proof of it?
 

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This is what I know: the pups do have papers and both parents are akc registered.
I didn't get the impression that they are backyard breeders. The man really explained alot about the parents and the temperaments and health of the dogs and he really seemed sincere and knowledgeable.He also seemed very proud of his dogs.
He just seemed really helpful and didn't sound as though he was just looking to get rid of the puppies. I guess I will soon see for myself! I think I will be able to tell alot about the pups by the living conditions and surroundings.
He did mentioned that they feed nutra plan(?) or something like that, I don't remember exactly. He said that his wife would give me a small bag of the food and will explain how to go about switching brands if I wanted to.I didn't really ask about which kind of food to feed. I guess I can get their opinion when I see him.
I'm not very experienced with buying puppies but I didn't get any "bad vibes" from the breeder. I have a very good feeling about the whole thing.
I am willing to accpet advice, though, from all of you who have any experience, so thanks for the replies/concerns!
I know you are excited about your puppy but you have a shot to dodge a bullet here. Please, please make an informed decision!

The breeder that you have described is a back yard breeder. He's probably a really nice guy that takes great care of his dogs, has a clean house, and loves the Golden Retriever breed. Unfortunately, he's breeding for all the wrong reasons. If you ask him, he might reply that he "loves puppies" or that he is so "proud of his dogs, they're good dogs with a great temperament." Back yard breeders also highlight the fact that their dogs are AKC Registered. That is essentially a form and some money, and has no value at all regarding the health, temperament, or quality of a dog.

Health checked or vet checked just means that a vet looked at the dogs, played with their elbows, listened to their heart, and said they're healthy. However, this says nothing about the ancestry of the dogs or their genetic backgrounds.

For example, both parents could carry a high risk of hip dysplasia. That means that your puppy may have trouble running by the time he is 4 years old. A "vet check" doesn't look for that, but there are specific tests such as an evaluation by the OFA, that do. http://www.offa.org/ (If you would like to know about other tests, please let us know and we'll give you a list that good breeders use)

If your breeder offers a 1 year health guarantee against genetic or behavioral defects, that doesn't help you at all. No genetic diseases will surface before 2 years of age and the same is likely for major behavioral problems. If your puppy turns out to have any problems will your breeder help you train, or find you a trainer that will work with you? Will your breeder help pay for the cost of any major operations (due to genetic defects)? Are you sure that when you're on your knees crying from the puppy stress that your breeder will be there to talk you through it? (Top breeders answer yes to all of those questions!)

There are a few people on this forum that are very experienced with Golden Retrievers and they can help you find a high quality breeder with healthy puppies. Unfortunately, due to the extreme popularity of the breed, there are so many poorly bred Goldens with health problems and temperament issues that end up being dropped off at shelters. (Back yard breeders will usually dispute that statement)

I have two dogs. One is from a puppy mill and one is from a rescue. I have no guarantees as to their health (although Herschel had a 1 year health guarantee..haha), I don't know anything about their temperaments, but I love them so much. They really are great dogs. Herschel (Schnauzer mix) is going to start competing in agility soon and Nala is growing into a great Border Collie. I'm so proud of both of them, but I could never, ever dream of breeding them. (Besides the fact that they're already fixed.)

I'm not trying to discourage you at all, I just want to help you make the best decision possible.

(If you hear the statements in bold, you're dealing with a back yard breeder.)
 

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But how can you tell if it's a back yard breeder or not? Wouldn't a reputable breeder say those same things?

What are the characteristics of a reputable breeder? What would a reputable breeder tell me? What can I expect from a reputable breeder???
 

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But how can you tell if it's a back yard breeder or not? Wouldn't a reputable breeder say those same things?

What are the characteristics of a reputable breeder? What would a reputable breeder tell me? What can I expect from a reputable breeder???
I think I should explain the goals of a back yard breeder vs. those of a reputable breeder.

A back yard breeder is interested in producing puppies so he can make some extra money, so his kids can see the miracle of life, for his friends to have dogs "just as great" as his own, or even by mistake because he "forgot" to spay/neuter his dogs. (Among other reasons) The number one goal of a back yard breeder is to sell puppies. They may briefly screen adopters, but they have no real interest in getting to know the people to whom they are entrusting another life. How well does your breeder know you?

A reputable breeder is interested in bettering the breed. The definition of that depends on the qualities that you are looking for in a dog. For example, Grammy (user name = Bubbatd) used to breed Golden Retrievers. She didn't compete in shows, agility, or anything like that. She produced healthy Golden Retrievers (tested for hereditary diseases) that would make great companion dogs--a hallmark of the breed. There are other people that want to prove their Goldens by showing them in conformation to prove that they fit the breed standard, or in agility to prove there athletic ability. No matter the reasons, these people are interested in producing the best dogs possible, no matter the cost. They don't try to cut corners and they spend the time to properly train, test, and evaluate their dogs before breeding them. Often, these people want to build lasting relationships with the people that adopt from them.

From a reputable breeder, you should expect honesty. They should make you feel as comfortable as possible with the fact that you're getting a healthy (often guaranteed for life), well tempered puppy. Look for health screening such as OFA for hips/elbows, CERF for eyes and heart, among other breed specific tests. Why do they perform these? To ensure that they aren't breeding dogs that could hurt the gene pool of the particular breed.

A back yard breeder may or may not give you a "pedigree" to show you the ancestry of his dogs. However, ask him specific questions about the parents, grand parents, great grandparents. They will probably have to refer back to the pedigree just to remember their names.

Reputable breeders know the history of their dogs. They should comfortably be able to show you, and hopefully discuss, 5 generations back. You want to look for someone that can explain the reasons they chose to breed the particular dogs that they did (both the breed and the individual dogs).

This is a nice check list of things to look for in a quality breeder:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787

Thanks so much for being receptive to this. I'm not usually the one that gets into these things.
 

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This is a much debated topic, dbf. Recommend with this breed you ask for OFA ratings on both parents and grandparents, several generations back. They should be " good to excellent". In a health guarantee, there should be a clause that covers any genetic disorder (no limit of a 1 yr guarantee on that) and explains how the breeder will address the particular problem. Then, always best to familiarize yourself with health problems common in your breed of choice. Remember, even with some testing, there are no guarantees. It just helps to know what the odds are. Ask to see the pedigree. How many titled dogs are there in their lines, a "Ch". in front of the dogs registered name for conformation or obedience titles. It's always a good sign to have dogs with a history of successful performance. Make sure you see both parents and spend some time with them. (See them on more than one occasion.) There are many hobby breeders producing Goldens as nice or nicer than some of the pros. It's a tough breed to evaluate these days. Taking some one with you that's knowledgeable in dogs, can help review the purchase contract and knows a bit about temperament testing, is always a good idea before you sign that check! Good luck.
 

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Thanks for the link, it has lots of helpful tips. Things that I would have not thought of checking.
Hopefully my puppy buying experience will be a good one. Thanks for all the help, everyone!!!
If things work out, I will post pics real soon!
 

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Thanks for the link, it has lots of helpful tips. Things that I would have not thought of checking.
Hopefully my puppy buying experience will be a good one. Thanks for all the help, everyone!!!
If things work out, I will post pics real soon!
Good luck. Please go in there ready to walk away from some incredibly cute puppies, although I hope everything does work out for you.

Waiting a month right now for the right dog from a good breeder might just save you thousands of dollars in vet care and a lot of heartache later on...
 

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Thanks Herschel !!! You saved me a lot of typing . First, I wish you had had the time to check out the situation . Second , I wish you had been able to get the book " How To Raise A Puppy You Can Live With " Rutherford and Neil . This way you can check how much time and socialization has been given . The puppys coats should look healthy . Not dry and listless. Congratulations on your puppy !!! Good luck and let us know !!!!
 

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I was wondering if you would say what part of the country you live in and maybe one of us can recommend a breeder for you. If you don't want to say it is totally understandable. If you happen to live in Louisiana I know a great breeder.:) Good luck with your puppy, Goldens are great dogs!:)
 

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I just wanted to give my experience... I got my golden from bad place, and I didn't know how bad genetic problems could be...

At 8 months already I thought he was walking a weird way, moving his butt from left to right a lot when walking... now he's 2 and it's not better. I'm quite convinced i will have to pay for surgery in a few years. Thankfully it doesn't seem to hurt him, although while growing up he limped a few times. I can just hope it won't get worse.

That, and he doesn't quite have the golden retriever temperament. He's not an easy dog by all means, and he has resource guarding issues we've been working on for months.

BE VERY CAREFUL WHERE YOU GET YOUR DOG FROM.

Don't get me wrong, I love him even if he's not perfect, but I'm really mad at myself for giving money to people who just don't care about adding sick puppies to the world... and when I say sick, it's nothing a simple health check will be able to find.
 

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Fran ... I wish you well . At least you've learned and through your love Boris will bloom ! Boris may only be " pacing " which is normal and not a hip problem . Any popular breed today needs high scrutiny .... no newspaper ads ... I'd stay away from on line sites ..... Go to the breed clubs. Boris is beautiful and I hope his breeders did the best !!! This is why I bred .... to bring well bred , healthy , tested Goldens to loving families . In 40 years I never had to advertise .
 

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I just wanted to give my experience... I got my golden from bad place, and I didn't know how bad genetic problems could be...

At 8 months already I thought he was walking a weird way, moving his butt from left to right a lot when walking... now he's 2 and it's not better. I'm quite convinced i will have to pay for surgery in a few years. Thankfully it doesn't seem to hurt him, although while growing up he limped a few times. I can just hope it won't get worse.

That, and he doesn't quite have the golden retriever temperament. He's not an easy dog by all means, and he has resource guarding issues we've been working on for months.

BE VERY CAREFUL WHERE YOU GET YOUR DOG FROM.

Don't get me wrong, I love him even if he's not perfect, but I'm really mad at myself for giving money to people who just don't care about adding sick puppies to the world... and when I say sick, it's nothing a simple health check will be able to find.

I have almost the exact same problem with my golden boy. Fortunately he managed to escape any major hip problems. However he did pull up lame a few times while growing. He's also got severe resource guarding, and can be very tempermental when he wants to be.
I love him to death and wouldn't trade him for the world. I will have another golden in the future, but I will only buy from a reputable breeder.
 

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