Getting a new puppy - Cane Corso

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This is a very irresopsible choice on your part. This dog is ALOT of work and if not raised properly the dog is going to get into serious trouble. Going to have agression issues and propably attack someone one day and I would hate to see a dog with inproper structure as a puppy, and it would not be the dogs fault, be put down because YOU didn't know what you were doing. There are too many irresponsible dog owners out who have the wrong breed that they cannot handle. I blame the owners for out of control dogs and I hate to see inoccent dog be put down because their owner "thought" they could handle that dog.
 

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Folks... I think we all agree here. But I think from the first post this is a done deal .... I personally feel this is her boy friend's choice and she's stuck with it. So, with this in mind, let's see what happens and support the dog . He'll need it !
 

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Your right we don't know you, but from your posts and the problems you are having with your golden it is apparent you are not ready to take on the responsibility of a dominant dog. We also do not know how well behaved your bf's chow is. It does seem... if he has a well trained chow, he would have turned your dog into a well mannered golden. If you, and or your bf were experienced dog owners, neither of you would have asked a breeder how to dominate a dog, and you would not be rolling it. These are issues that are concerning we owners of large protective dogs. You can never underestimate the strength, intelligence, or the propensity to bite in the large/x large protective breeds. They are wonderful, playful, funny and extremely affectionate to their loved ones, but you will always have to keep a watchful eye on the dogs body language around anyone else, and take extra precautions, even at home. This applies to even the most socialized well trained protective breed dog. I do suggest you go visit the cane corso in the fur. If you were afraid of your bf's chow, wait until you see these in person.
 
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NO ONE should ever own any breed if they have not seen adults perform on their home turf when strangers arrive.
 

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Your right we don't know you, but from your posts and the problems you are having with your golden it is apparent you are not ready to take on the responsibility of a dominant dog. We also do not know how well behaved your bf's chow is. It does seem... if he has a well trained chow, he would have turned your dog into a well mannered golden. If you, and or your bf were experienced dog owners, neither of you would have asked a breeder how to dominate a dog, and you would not be rolling it. These are issues that are concerning we owners of large protective dogs. You can never underestimate the strength, intelligence, or the propensity to bite in the large/x large protective breeds. They are wonderful, playful, funny and extremely affectionate to their loved ones, but you will always have to keep a watchful eye on the dogs body language around anyone else, and take extra precautions, even at home. This applies to even the most socialized well trained protective breed dog. I do suggest you go visit the cane corso in the fur. If you were afraid of your bf's chow, wait until you see these in person.

ok, this may be a really dumb comment....but oh well...

i also heard of the rolling thing, and didnt realize it wasnt the proper thing to do, so tried it on oakley....that dog REFUSES to roll over, LOL, he would start nipping at our hands, squirming like crazy, etc...he was 6 months at the time, so maybe he was just too big (a whole 25 lbs, lol), but yah, i just cant understand how that works...especially if your dog things you are trying to play with him (once again, oakley... :rolleyes: )
 
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Well, I can roll any dog that is standing. About as fast as you can blink.

All you must do is reach under the dog, grab the off side foreleg, and pull that leg towards you as you sharply bump the dog's shoulder away from you.

I can flip a big Rottweiler before you can spit.

I don't DO it, mind you, and a CERTAINLY do not advise it ever. I do it only to play with my own dogs, but I can if I wish.

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I've never rolled a dog .... only very young pups still in the nest as part of the socialization. I imagine the response is different with each breed.
 

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I have to explain what an alpha roll is in my class just because it keeps coming up in questions and so what I tell people is the idea behind it, the method of and then a VERY LARGE admonishment to never attempt this by theirselves if their dog is older than 4 months and only if you have a puppy that is growling or snapping at children. Then I just go ahead and say that they should just really never do it at all and just make sure they don't get to the point where they would need it.
 
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If you were afraid of your bf's chow, wait until you see these in person.
I don't know if thats true but if you really were afraid of the Chow then there is not doubt that you will fear the Cane Corse. Dogs can sense fear and will dominate you. If that was true you are making a HUGE mistake.
 

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We are not getting him to be a guard dog! He will be VERY socialized and very happy.. my boyfriend has alot of experience with dogs!!
I'm not saying your stupid or being a bad person. And I know that it's not you getting the dog, it's your boyfriend. My fear is that you just don't seem to understand our biggest worry. You specifically said that you don't want a guard dog and will not train the dog to guard. But your corso is born to be a be a guard dog. She will be that way whether you train her to or not.

Let me make an analogy. You have a golden retriever, right? What you're saying about the new corso is like saying, "We're getting a golden retreiver. But we don't like to play fetch. So we're going to raise it and train it in such a way that it will never retrieve."

Doesn't make sense, does it? A corso's need to guard is just as strong as a retriever's need to fetch. It's unrealistic to be confident that any amount of training and socializing will quash that urge. It's also unfair to the dog; you're expecting it to be something it's not.

I guess the big question is this: if you want a social, dog-friendly, non-guarding dog, why are you getting a corso? It is a breed that obviously does not fit the role you're wanting it to fill. It's like you're trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole. That's why there are hundreds of different dog breeds out there: each has a very specific role to fill.
 
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No one is being rude? That one person told me she hopes I get bitten! That is very not nice :(

Of course I am wanting to learn things. I don't live with my boyfriend yet, I am moving in within the next month or so and the dog is living at his house...

I mentioned the daycare because of the variety of dogs there. The pitbull and doberman, whom I mentioned because they also have a bad rep, get along with all of the other dogs, not just my Golden. I mentioned labs because I wanted to demonstrate i wasn't trying to say it was all pitbulls and my one golden.

Anyways, thank you for the advice, but telling me how wrong I am and not offering any other suggetions isn't really advice.. Like RedyreRottweilers, why can't you offer advice instead of just telling me i am stupid?

That doesn't help me or anyone and it doesn't make you look credible.
 

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ok, this may be a really dumb comment....but oh well...

i also heard of the rolling thing, and didnt realize it wasnt the proper thing to do, so tried it on oakley....that dog REFUSES to roll over, LOL, he would start nipping at our hands, squirming like crazy, etc...he was 6 months at the time, so maybe he was just too big (a whole 25 lbs, lol), but yah, i just cant understand how that works...especially if your dog things you are trying to play with him (once again, oakley... :rolleyes: )

Rolling is pointless. :)


If dog is respecting you and has a great bond they will roll over by themselves from time to time, let their belly to scratching. Means they are secure and trust you when they roll on their back.

Takes time to earn the trust so dont expect a dog to do it very soon :)
 

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No one is being rude? That one person told me she hopes I get bitten! That is very not nice :(

Of course I am wanting to learn things. I don't live with my boyfriend yet, I am moving in within the next month or so and the dog is living at his house...

I mentioned the daycare because of the variety of dogs there. The pitbull and doberman, whom I mentioned because they also have a bad rep, get along with all of the other dogs, not just my Golden. I mentioned labs because I wanted to demonstrate i wasn't trying to say it was all pitbulls and my one golden.

Anyways, thank you for the advice, but telling me how wrong I am and not offering any other suggetions isn't really advice.. Like RedyreRottweilers, why can't you offer advice instead of just telling me i am stupid?

That doesn't help me or anyone and it doesn't make you look credible.
Make sure all the dogs get along fine with puppies. Or you can have an incident with your CC where it will hate EVERY specimen of a breed that bites him, if it happens.

Kinda what happened with my dog and some stupid chow when he was 8 months old. Got attacked, almost killed the chow, but since that day he absolutely HATES every single chow. Be careful not to fall in such situation.
 

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Sorry, I think that was misunderstood a little bit :)

What I meant was, we don't want the Corso JUST to be a gaurd dog. You know, how some people get a "big scary dog" because they want an alarm system or to feel protected. I believe thats why alot of dogs end up in the backyard with their collar growing into their necks :(

We of course like this aspect of the dog, just like I love the way my Golden loves to fetch.

I think that you all misunderstood my post about my Golden too. He is trained, and is a very good dog. He knows sit, down, stay, down stay, etc.. he knows how to catch a frisbee, he can fetch anything, he was trained for agility and is good on almost any course. He is a great dog!! The ONLY issue I have with my Zac, is that he is very very friendly. This isn't something I want to punish obviously, so its hard for me to know quite how to deal with it. He just gets overly excited easily, and the only way to make him stop is to tell him down stay, and then he seems very sad.. and stuffs his head and wont look at me.

He scares people because he is large and gets overly excited when seeing anyone else with a dog. He is used to playing in dog parks and he goes to a doggy daycare sometimes just for some extra playtime and social time, and he thinks that he should be able to play with any dog, any time.

Because we are the same weight, sometimes its stressful when he gets excited. I can control him, but if he catches me totally off guard i don't have time to tell him down, he is yanking me.

If there are no dogs around, he is fine.. he walks with a loose leash. He is not agressive, just VERY friendly and loves other dogs. He is out in public alot, I try to get him de-sensitized to the dog thing that way but I feel like then taking him to the dog park reverses it. anyways. That is one issue that my otherwise very wonderful dog has.

And as far as this rolling business. ALL I MEANT was a small puppy. Do you think I would ever roll a big dog? I wouldn't do that to my golden, much less a big cane corso. and by roll.. i don't mean harshly flipping a dog and scaring them. I meant rolling them gently and holding them for a moment, saying no, giving them a little rub and letting them up. Perhaps this is totally out to lunch. I didn't say I was an expert.

Anyways... sigh.... I don't live with my boyfriend, and usually when he is with me and zac we are at the dog park or somewhere where the yanking me off my feet thing doesn't happen.. so yeah. I am sure we will work on that..

the real point of that message was, what is a fun thing to do with my golden other than agility.. like a hobby we could share together.


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I'm not saying your stupid or being a bad person. And I know that it's not you getting the dog, it's your boyfriend. My fear is that you just don't seem to understand our biggest worry. You specifically said that you don't want a guard dog and will not train the dog to guard. But your corso is born to be a be a guard dog. She will be that way whether you train her to or not.

Let me make an analogy. You have a golden retriever, right? What you're saying about the new corso is like saying, "We're getting a golden retreiver. But we don't like to play fetch. So we're going to raise it and train it in such a way that it will never retrieve."

Doesn't make sense, does it? A corso's need to guard is just as strong as a retriever's need to fetch. It's unrealistic to be confident that any amount of training and socializing will quash that urge. It's also unfair to the dog; you're expecting it to be something it's not.

I guess the big question is this: if you want a social, dog-friendly, non-guarding dog, why are you getting a corso? It is a breed that obviously does not fit the role you're wanting it to fill. It's like you're trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole. That's why there are hundreds of different dog breeds out there: each has a very specific role to fill.
 

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Rolling is pointless. :)


If dog is respecting you and has a great bond they will roll over by themselves from time to time, let their belly to scratching. Means they are secure and trust you when they roll on their back.

Takes time to earn the trust so dont expect a dog to do it very soon :)
I agree with you, when I got Zac he was very upset and scared, and hid in the corner and barfed, and was really sad. I just tried to pet him a bit and tried to comfort him as best I could. By the next month he was my best bud. The only time I gave him a little belly rub was once he growled a bit at me when I neared his food. I told him to sit, then down, and he sorta half rolled and i rubbed his belly. Then i played with his food a bit while he watched. It never happened again so I think that was the right thing to do.

He has tested me more than other goldens i have had when I was younger. He is obviously not dominant the way a cane corso is, but for a golden he is on the dominant side.
 
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Violet21 said:
No one is being rude?

Anyways, thank you for the advice, but telling me how wrong I am and not offering any other suggetions isn't really advice.. Like RedyreRottweilers, why can't you offer advice instead of just telling me i am stupid?

That doesn't help me or anyone and it doesn't make you look credible.
DO NOT presume to put words in my mouth.

I have in NO WAY stated that you are stupid.

I posted several links for you that are very educational regarding Cane Corsos.

ANYONE who thinks a Cane Corso will not guard turf is misguided, no matter HOW the dog is socialized.

ANYONE who attempts to "roll" a Cane Corso, even a puppy, is asking for trouble.

A Cane Corso, by the time it's 8 or 10 months old, will guard property, run fence lines, threaten passersby, and likely will not tolerate anyone who does not live in the home on their turf when owners are not present. A realistic person who has done research on this breed will not expect it to get along with other dogs, altho an individual here and there might.

A Cane Corso is likely to challenge if it's not properly raised and socialized by a strong fair leader figure. Some will try to pick their way up the social ladder even if they ARE raised by a strong fair leader figure. This is something that is understood by people who have experience with strong temperament breeds that tend to be guardy. If you have never experienced it, it can be a very sobering experience and a tense moment. If you don't know how to deal with it, and if you don't deal with it properly the instant it presents itself, you can be in deeeeep doo doo with a dog before you know it.

Perhaps your BF is educated about the breed, and is an experienced dog trainer.

I hope so.

If it were my puppy coming, I would already have class lined up and a training/socialization plan in order.

Do you know how, exactly, you all plan to socialize the puppy? What activities you plan, and how often?
 

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Rolling is pointless. :)


If dog is respecting you and has a great bond they will roll over by themselves from time to time, let their belly to scratching. Means they are secure and trust you when they roll on their back.

Takes time to earn the trust so dont expect a dog to do it very soon :)

ohh haha, oakley does do that now, and then stares at you with the saddest look i have ever seen like "omg, i will DIE if you dont rub my belly RIGHT NOW!!!!"

im glad to hear that means he is secure! :) that makes me happy
 

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RedyreRottweilers,

I already posted our plan for the puppy. and i simply think what you are saying is rediculous. Of course it will guard, but that doesn't mean that all cane corso's are incapable of being with other dogs!! You make it sound like the only future for a corso is a life of back yard barking and snarling.

Check this for an example.

http://www.albedo.net/~dbirtwis/home.htm

We are going to put our dog into kindergarden and work with him daily! He will be socialized with other dogs as soon as he is safely able to do so, shot wise. He will go to the dog daycare with my Zac when hes old enough, and hang out. He will go to obedience training, all the levels, we are even gonna bring Zac along for fun. and whatever my bf wants to do with him, probably personal protection work or search and rescue depending on the dogs ability and stuff.

If a Cane Corso can't tolerate other dogs, then you could say the same about a Doberman, or a Rottie, or even a Pitbull.
If that is true how come there are all three of those at my dogs daycare that not only have never attacked a dog there in over a year, and are all friendly, sweet dogs?

Obviously our dog will gaurd our house. But he is going to be controlled and trained, and have many outlets for working and being a good dog.

I will also mention that we considered a rottweiler. One of the breeders we talk to has one litter of rotts and one litter of corsos every 1 or 2 years, and he told us all about the differences in the breeds. I personally like rotts but my boyfriend had a bad experience as a child with some that were back yard doom dogs. So anyways. He said the dogs are wonderful, and with socialization and good temperment we will have a great addition to our family...
 
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Dogs are individuals.

If you are getting a male dog, and you already HAVE a male dog, it's pretty much a given those 2 eventually will not get along.

The majority of Rottweilers don't get along with adult dogs of the same size and sex.

Breeds are breeds because the general population has certain predictable traits.

Your 2 dogs might get along for a year. Or 2 years. Or forever. Or the CC might decide on any given day that the Golden has to die.

Facts are facts. Working type breeds can and often are aggressive and intolerant of other dogs of the same size and sex.

I am with the others. If you can't control the Golden, how on EARTH do you expect to do a thing with a large dominant protective breed like a CC?

I'm interested in how you would handle it if this puppy decides to growl at you over a bone or food in the first several months of it's life?

Just curious?
 

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Violet.... you've made up your minds.... you're going to do your best... now, when do you pick up the pup ??? We'll need pictures and follow ups ! Best of luck !
 

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