Electric Fences vs electric collar HALP!!!

[HayleyMarie]

Pros, Cons?

for the electric invisible fencing we need to put a string just along the road before the ditch. It seems Emme has been chasing cars, she is never going on the road only in the ditch, but still very dangerous.

Right now we are keeping both eyes on her and she is not allowed in the front yard anymore, but knowing my parents. They will give that up really fast. And its hard to keep her just in the back since are property is so open. But were thinking that just a sting of wire along the ditch might work.


We also have alot of electric horse fencing. My mom suggested trying to used that somehow. I have NO idea how that would work. Suggestions?


And

My dad suggested trying a electric collar. As I know it can be a great tool if used correctly. Give her a warning or zap when she decides to go by the ditch or road or chase cars, but I dont know how reliable that will be. Since my parents will have to watch her like a hawk.

Any other suggestions would help reguarding training her ect ect... This is very frustrating for me as my mom just does not see this as a thing that needs to be delt with. My dad on the other hand knows something needs to be done. So I am hoping they will deal with this pronto

If nothing is done they might end up with a dead dog.

AUGH!

 

[stardogs]

Umm why not a physical fence? Both electric options have major downsides:

Electric wire: dogs running into the fence (after a car, etc.) can get tangled/caught on the fence which can result in serious injury due to the nature of the wire (not to mention the psychological aspects of getting tangled and being shocked until being untangled), the wire must be maintained to ensure continuous current (so you need to have a charger nearby, keep the wire free of grass, etc.), she could easily learn how to shimmy under or leap over a single strand, etc.

Electric collar: Will still need close supervision, someone needs to teach her what to do when she receives a correction (for some dogs, electric will cause them to try and run away from the shock or to become aggressive toward the object they think caused the shock), the person must have the remote handy, all people using the remote must have the same criteria to avoid the potential for fallout from the punishment, e-collars are pricey and need to checked regularly for a charge, etc.

 

[HayleyMarie]

Unfortunatly a physical fence around our whole property is not possible with how big our property is and the way its build. Although we might beable to put up a temporary fence by the road. Kinnda like a snow fence.

Oh and what I ment with the electric fence is also invisible fencing. I forgot to mention that. And we also have the horse electric fencing.

 

[Lizmo]

What happens when Emme goes flying through the electric fence chasing a car then can't come back in?

 

[MandyPug]

What about fencing in a portion of the property as a "dog yard" where the dogs can be turned out without worry of them chasing the cars? Chain link is pretty cheap.

 

[HayleyMarie]

What happens when Emme goes flying through the electric fence chasing a car then can't come back in?

Yah thats something that I worry about. But we would train Emme that there is a elctric fence there. She is actually pretty easy at re directing her or changing her focus.

What about fencing in a portion of the property as a "dog yard" where the dogs can be turned out without worry of them chasing the cars? Chain link is pretty cheap.

Yah, unfortunatly that would never happen. That would be a last, last resort. And I actaully dont think that would ever be an option for my parents.

If it was my property sure, but its not.

 

[JacksonsMom]

My stepdad always had this view of his "country dog" just roaming free and enjoying life. She was a 22lb cockapoo and she really WAS a country dog. She loved it outside, she was allowed in whenever she wanted, but always roamed free during the day (she refused to come inside, nothing could lure her out from where she would hide under the deck so we did not bring her inside). She also enjoyed chasing cars as a habit. Well, after 4 years, she finally got hit and died. By my own stepdad at that. Yeah, he felt like complete crap, Mr. "Oh she will never run under a car, she just chases them for fun". So yep, we had a dead dog on our hands. The whole family was devastated as she belonged to my brother who died so she was our last "piece" of him in a way. She was a great little dog. She had become my second dog and Jackson's best friend, too, and I had been working on training her. Unfortunately, I was not at home the day she was hit. I will never allow a dog to roam free again, it's just too dangerous, especially when one starts chasing cars.

 

[AllieMackie]

Yah thats something that I worry about. But we would train Emme that there is a elctric fence there. She is actually pretty easy at re directing her or changing her focus.

So... focus on establishing her recall on a long line when cars go by. If she already has good re-direction and focus, this shouldn't be too difficult with a bit of work. IF the cars make her react too strongly, tune it down a notch or two to something that distracts her, but doesn't make her go over threshold.

If your parents are unwilling to fence her in, I think a solid recall is your best defense.

 

[smkie]

^^^:hail::hail::hail:
not just when cars pass but cats rabbits, children, squirrels, a bomb proof recall is the best thing you can ever do for your dog.

 

[*blackrose]

So... focus on establishing her recall on a long line when cars go by. If she already has good re-direction and focus, this shouldn't be too difficult with a bit of work. IF the cars make her react too strongly, tune it down a notch or two to something that distracts her, but doesn't make her go over threshold.

If your parents are unwilling to fence her in, I think a solid recall is your best defense.

That's what we did with Rose. We live back a dead end lane and the only person driving by is our neighbor, but she would chase his car whenever he drove by. Not frequent, but still dangerous. We worked on her recall until we were able to call her off of cars. Since she'd start barking as soon as she saw the car heading up past our field we'd have enough time to get outdoors and call for her (or get to a window and holler) before the car got to our yard. Now she doesn't even bother to bark at him going by anymore.

And coming from someone with an electric fence, if she is that zeroed in on a car she'll just run right through it unless she just REALLY doesn't like being shocked. We have an electric fence around our three acre yard and when Chloe is out on it she tends to avoid the side of the yard like the plague, but she doesn't give a second thought to taking off after a stray cat in our field. Instinct kicks in before her brain does and she's past the fence before she realizes it. When she crosses it she typically tucks tail and runs back through it again to the "safety" of the house, but she's a wimp.

I think I'd much rather work on leave it/recall coupled with a long line and then use a remote shock collar for safety's sake when you graduate to letting her loose again. And I know it would be really weird to put up field fencing just along the road, but that might be an option. By the time she could get around it, the car would be gone, and she might just "chase" the car through the fencing keeping her securely away from the car. Even if putting up the fence was only temporary while you worked with her.

 

[Dizzy]

Do not let her out unsupervised... end of.

We had an open drive when I lived at my folks and Bodhi did not go out unsupervised.

It really is that simple.

 

[HayleyMarie]

And coming from someone with an electric fence, if she is that zeroed in on a car she'll just run right through it unless she just REALLY doesn't like being shocked. We have an electric fence around our three acre yard and when Chloe is out on it she tends to avoid the side of the yard like the plague, but she doesn't give a second thought to taking off after a stray cat in our field. Instinct kicks in before her brain does and she's past the fence before she realizes it. When she crosses it she typically tucks tail and runs back through it again to the "safety" of the house, but she's a wimp.

Thanks for the help

Emme thank God is not that Zoned into chasing tha car. When we do see her chase tha cars we yell at her out the window and she comes right away.

Just I am hoping my parents will get on board with training her.

 

[Kat09Tails]

I guess I'm confused on why allow car chasing at all. This is such an easy fix. Leash + Dog + owner on the end of the leash. If you really can't put up a fence - get a kennel.

 

[Kristie223]

I agree with those people that said a solid recall is your best recourse. You can use an e collar to get a fantastic recall off of just about anything if used properly. (I mean starting with a long line a low stim and teaching the dog what the stim means and then proofing.) I know other people use them differently. I am not a fan of the fences. Jake can testify to the false sense of security they give you. It isn't what if she runs through the fence and can't get back in... it is what if she runs through the fence and is dead or catches something and ends up in the legal system and is dead? Jake's story is this: he had great people, we did EVERYTHING to socialize him, make him safe, Jake is/was a GSD... we took him everywhere, he played well with other dogs, he want to CGC classes. .... we did all the right things. He was probably the best tempered dog I have ever had the privilege of knowing. My son absolutely loved him, played with him, rolled around with him on the floor, let Jake slobber on him... I trusted that dog with my child. What we couldn't do is control other people, we couldn't keep the neighbors dogs out of the yard. The neighbors had two mini poodles about six lbs each. They were out of control... One day they charged at Marcey, who was sitting on the ground in her garden planting. Jake cut them off. They ran. Jake chased them. THROUGH the electric fence. He caught one of the dogs and shook it. Later the dog dies. Then come the police. They let Jake stay home. Then comes animal control. The neighbors have filed a show cause petition and Jake is taken to prison. We must now prove that Jake is NOT a vicious dog. The judge doesn't like German Shepherds. the judge doesn't like the attorney. The judge doesn't listen to ANY of the testimony which all supports that Jake is a great dog, doing what dogs do ... they chase things that run, they shake things that they catch. The judge says Jake IS a vicious dog... We APPEAL the decision, meanwhile Jake has a severe case of IBS. He is skinny and he smells sick in prison. He loves it when we come to visit but he doesn't want to stay in his cell. He doesn't understand why he can't come home. He doesn't understand why we cry when we see him. He is so stressed out that the normal bacteria on his body are attacking him. We go to the appeal a few days before Christmas. The appeals court upholds the ruling, he upholds the bias against Jake and all Large Breeds. Jake is sentenced to die on December 23. Jake is just two years old... We don't fight anymore. Jake is too sick. We hope he is waiting for us at the bridge. We hope he understands why.
This happened because we depended on an electric fence. We thought that it would keep Jake in. We didn't think about what it wouldn't keep out. We didn't think about this happening.
Don't rely on an e fence your valued family member may end up dead.

 

[Taqroy]

I guess I'm confused on why allow car chasing at all. This is such an easy fix. Leash + Dog + owner on the end of the leash. If you really can't put up a fence - get a kennel.

Emme isn't her dog....it's her parent's dog. You can't make your parent's do what is right or best for their dog.