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darkchild16

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Most schools in the South are already paid to label children as some mental issue ODD, ADD, ADHD, whatever) and give them prescriptions. If you refuse, they kick your kid out of the school. The more kids they label, the more money they get.
They bullied Jeremy like that when Connor was in kindergarten on the Outer Banks.
 

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I absolutely agree with you that schools get additional money for special ed children (since the schools then have to hire additional teachers for team taught classes, special ed administrators, para-professionals, etc). They don't get any extra money for a medicated vs. unmedicated student, however, and public schools can't just "kick a kid out". It is INCREDIBLY time consuming and difficult to get a kid removed from a school setting, especially one diagnosed as special ed.

We're going through it right now with one of my students. He is very clearly emotionally disturbed, and our school just doesn't have the resources to help him be successful. He's a danger to himself and other students, and is unable to coexist in a classroom with other kids right now without throwing tantrums and trying to stab himself with paperclips or pens. It's scary. We want him to be placed at the county school for emotionally disturbed students, where there are professionals that are trained in how to deal with those children. We have been fighting a legal battle for a year and a half now to get this to happen, documenting everything this child does and every reaction the staff makes. The boy's teachers have spent hours being instructed by a "behavior specialist" how to handle this child to keep him in school. Lawyers have come to talk to us about special ed rights. The boy's psychologist has been in constant contact with us letting us know about his progress and anything we should be aware of.

I am down right SCARED to teach the class he is in some days, and that's with two teachers in the room (I team it with a special ed teacher, who is AWESOME with this child). I am so afraid that something I say will set him off and he's going to stab himself or the child next to him.

It doesn't matter though, because mom doesn't want him moved out of our school, so he has to stay. Parents have the ultimate authority when it comes to their child (as it should be), and schools really can't "kick the child out" without parental consent. Even the "zero tolerance" weapon/drugs policies that result in automatic suspensions or expulsions for "regular" children don't necessarily apply to special ed children.
I had to check and see where you were located, I thought you were talking about my little cousin. You described him to the T, although he is now 13ish and finally escalated to the point of bringing a knife to school, was charged with a felony and expelled? He has been 'off' since he was a toddler, and has always had problems in school no one has been able to completely 'cure'. I don't know where he will go from here, but my guess is to an even worse lock down school with possible more bad influence (which is the issue with why he hasn't been moved previously). Dad was military, mom is a nurse, average/good people that are reasonably firm (don't allow the kids to run amok, but not too strict). I don't know....I don't see a good future for him.
 

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I think they do that everywhere, I don't think it's a Southern thing.
This. 110%.
I live in South GA. HERE it is DEFINITELY not like that. If there is problem child, 9 times out of 10, his parents don't give a flying rats ass and let him do the same stuff at home and he gets his way and he just doesn't understand that at school, said child can't be like that.

Now there are few, and I mean very few, kids I have known that are ADD, ADHD, etc etc and are classified as special needs kids.

And actually, I strongly believe that some parents throw meds at their kids cause they don't want to handle a go go go kind of child.
Example: My 4 year old nephew, Hunter, is said to be ADHD. Do I agree? hell no. I think he is just a 4 year old boy with tons of energy. And honestly, I think that is all it is. He has been like that his WHOLE life and just a few months ago my mom got him on meds. (Hunter and my 6 year old niece, Elizabeth live with my mom and stepdad).
Elizabeth is on ADD meds. Again, she just doesn't care to pay attention to anything that doesn't interest her. Some kids are like that, what I have seen, more so girls than boys.

But some kids DO need medicine for ADD, ADHD, etc. Others don't but parents use it as an excuse. As sad as it is to say that, its true.
 

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This. 110%.
I live in South GA. HERE it is DEFINITELY not like that. If there is problem child, 9 times out of 10, his parents don't give a flying rats ass and let him do the same stuff at home and he gets his way and he just doesn't understand that at school, said child can't be like that.

Now there are few, and I mean very few, kids I have known that are ADD, ADHD, etc etc and are classified as special needs kids.

And actually, I strongly believe that some parents throw meds at their kids cause they don't want to handle a go go go kind of child.
Example: My 4 year old nephew, Hunter, is said to be ADHD. Do I agree? hell no. I think he is just a 4 year old boy with tons of energy. And honestly, I think that is all it is. He has been like that his WHOLE life and just a few months ago my mom got him on meds. (Hunter and my 6 year old niece, Elizabeth live with my mom and stepdad).
Elizabeth is on ADD meds. Again, she just doesn't care to pay attention to anything that doesn't interest her. Some kids are like that, what I have seen, more so girls than boys.

But some kids DO need medicine for ADD, ADHD, etc. Others don't but parents use it as an excuse. As sad as it is to say that, its true.
This too. We moved him to a different school district and took him off of them and the teacher worked with us and we changed his diet and he was fine. All the sudden he goes back to his mom and hes making straight f's again. He was at LEAST Honor Roll the whole time he was with us off meds.
 

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I mean...yes it's ridiculous to peg it on "The South", but it's not an uncommon occurrence. In the south or elsewhere in this Country.
That's what I'm talking about. It's incredibly common to blame backwards things on this illustrious "South", when in fact, it's all over the freaking place. Not just in the "South". Does nothing to help the stereotype that "the south" is full of backwards red-neck hicks.

It's impossibly stupid.
 

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If you or someone you know has been "kicked out of school" as stated previously for refusing to take meds, they should be calling up every media outlet in the country and they would have 5000 lawyers on their doorstep begging to take the case faster than you could snap your fingers.
 

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If you or someone you know has been "kicked out of school" as stated previously for refusing to take meds, they should be calling up every media outlet in the country and they would have 5000 lawyers on their doorstep begging to take the case faster than you could snap your fingers.
Maybe, but how many parents have heard "your son has ADHD and if he remains unmedicated, he will be at risk for expulsion". People who DON'T know the law. People who believe there's no way they could afford a lawyer. People who don't understand the legal jargon, have difficulty reading the medical language surrounding their children's issues, etc.

A lot of parents, is the answer. And many of them medicate their child simply because they don't want to see them get expelled, whether or not it's legal.

That said, if the parents are willing to fight, there's nothing the school can do, as Cali illustrated earlier with her example. In middle and high school, there was a VERY problematic girl. She could keep up with the curriculum easily, I believe she was Autistic...however, she would often have incredibly disruptive outbursts of screaming, running around the classroom, crying, etc...I'm talking on a weekly or more basis.

Sometimes, these episodes got violent. She often swung or lunged at other students and needed to be restrained by her one-on-one (which changed every few weeks, I think most quit for being unable to handle her) and on multiple occasions, security was called to restrain and escort her out. This is extremely disturbing for a classroom of 11 or 12 year olds.

One time, she had a violent outburst in the locker room, in 7th grade. I was dressed, but every female student in my (mixed) gym class, was rushed OUT of the locker room and into the gym, many of them not dressed, and...(beats me why 7th grades would need this kind of underwear) in thongs, bras, etc. I think they locked all the boys in the boy's locker room, but it was still in front of a bunch of male gym teachers...until the male security guards could come in, restrain her, and remove her from the locker room.

How the hell that didn't turn into a lawsuit, I don't know. And she still remained in school, all the way through high school.
 

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If you or someone you know has been "kicked out of school" as stated previously for refusing to take meds, they should be calling up every media outlet in the country and they would have 5000 lawyers on their doorstep begging to take the case faster than you could snap your fingers.
Jeremy thought about it but in the small community he lived in it wasnt the best idea and since he was also living with his mom and she agreed yeahhh.
 

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I was born and raised in the south. How on earth did I ever never make lower than a "B" in school? And that 31 on my ACT? Why...that must be a mistake! And is it actually possible to graduate college, much less with a BS and 2 minors, with a 3.87 GPA? And then get an AA degree after all that? Wow! And to think I never took a single medication for my generalized anxiety and clinical depression until my senior year of college. And I wasn't expelled either! Wowza!

Ok. I'll go back now to shootin' snakes and eatin' chitlins while spittin' my tobaccey and scratchin' my ass.
 

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In more seriousness, the more I experience people from up north, the more I love the south. Sorry, but true.

ETA: except for Canadians. They seem to be more laid back (similar to the south).
 
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We're in the middle of "half-back" country -- lots of people moving halfway back between someplace north after they've lived in Florida for a bit. They've been some of the nicest people I've met . . . and some of the biggest assholes.
 

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Is this seriously going to turn into a south vs north gang battle? lol come on people.
People aren't defined by where they live or were raised. Sure, there are some traits that are more prominent depending on where you go, but it is by no means a sweeping generalization of any person who lives there.

Would I willingly go on a bible belt road trip tour of America or move to Mississippi? lol probably not. While I agree it's not a sweeping commonality of every single person that lives in these handful of states.. I prefer to stay away from anywhere that bible thumping racism finds a niche.. and one cannot disagree that it is more prominent in some places then others. So it's just not something I prefer in my vacation road trip locations lol
but that doesn't mean everywhere north is without faults or better.. just a safer bet for me.
Mixed race atheist and all lol

As for which side has the most assholes.
I'd say depends on what kind :rofl1: everywhere has plenty! Nice people aren't more nice depending on capita.
 
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There are ignorant people everywhere, including collage graduates and high school drop outs. There are also brilliant people everywhere, including collage graduates and high school drop outs. The circumstances for everyone is different and if people would just stop being such twats to each other maybe everyone could start working together towards a common goal.
 

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