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Isn't it amazing that Mark/Donnie/Bill didn't figure we would know that it was the same person?? Funny how they don't have enough knowledge to directly answer questions either, sad.

Now Mark/Donnie/Bill, please explain to me how I could have a Jrt (Jack Russell Terrier) with extremely high prey drives (that also is a proven working (hunting) dog) call off cats and once a flock of wild turkeys that he was chasing, when I have ONLY ever used clickers and positive reinforcement training with him? Or please explain how I can take a dog to a cattlemans BBQ, leave the dog without a leash or collar on him, sitting in the box of my truck with the tailgate down, leave a plate of steaming roast beef and all the fix'ns and leave. Knowing that he wont touch it.........and by leaving I am not talking about moving a few feet away from him, but walking hundreds of feet way, beyond a crowd and go into a huge tent (forgot my drink) to come back to a dog that never so much as moved an inch towards that plate. Btw, I set the plate less than two feet from him and do you know what he got for leaving that plate of food?? Yep he got some, what a good dog!! And if you assume that I have only had success with one dog ^^^^, and he is the exception... you would be wrong.

I don't think for 2 seconds that you are going to reply but my point is, myself and others live with dogs everyday that are proof that the methods that you claim don't work actually do work and very well. As for clickers/rewards making a dog aggressive, that makes me sad everytime I hear it but on the other hand it also makes me laugh at the pure ignorance of such a statement.
Yup I've done this with Bamm before as well. One time I set his food down right in front of him and forgot to give him the ok. I went on to finish doing chores, dishes, dusting etc... and then even went into the bathroom... he still waited... I realized I had forgotten to give him the ok, but yet even when I was out of sight for a little bit he still didn't give in and just eat it. His reward? definitely his dinner and a few extra cookies for his amazing stay
 

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Yup I've done this with Bamm before as well. One time I set his food down right in front of him and forgot to give him the ok. I went on to finish doing chores, dishes, dusting etc... and then even went into the bathroom... he still waited... I realized I had forgotten to give him the ok, but yet even when I was out of sight for a little bit he still didn't give in and just eat it. His reward? definitely his dinner and a few extra cookies for his amazing stay
Way to go Bamm (Amber too :)!!! We need more wonderful examples to counter what ol Mark/Bill/Donnie is claiming. Not with the intention of changing their minds but for the people that are luring and just don't know and may fall prey to some very inaccurate information posted by such *trainers*.
 

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Today my son, the clicker EXTREMIST, taught Abby to automatically down and stay when we open the door. The door opens, Abby hits the floor and waits for her release word. Clicker is completely phased out. Reinforcement is now simply praise.

Interestingly enough, despite the torture of food rewards following the hideous clicks, she hasn't turned aggressive on us yet ;)
 

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Yup I've done this with Bamm before as well. One time I set his food down right in front of him and forgot to give him the ok. I went on to finish doing chores, dishes, dusting etc... and then even went into the bathroom... he still waited... I realized I had forgotten to give him the ok, but yet even when I was out of sight for a little bit he still didn't give in and just eat it. His reward? definitely his dinner and a few extra cookies for his amazing stay
I've forgotten to give Caleb the OK to eat, too, with the same results.
 

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I love all examples that just show that positive training really works... because well... it does.

I'm curious... where IS our little troll today? Come on trollie troll.... I'll give you a cookie... a stale one of course... unless of course it'll make you aggressive... because you know what they say about those positive trainers turning their dogs aggressive with food rewards :rolleyes:

But seriously... where is our multiple alias troll?
 

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maybe we need to threaten the OP with a good correction if they don't show up?

As an aside my positively trained dog did a shoot where she had to totally ignore food being shoved in her face. The actor had to try to get her to eat it, and she had to ignore him (she couldnt' even look like she WANTED to eat the food) It went very well :)
Or how about Dekka retrieving hot dogs? Not only will she leave food, she will bring it and not eat it lol.
 
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I really want to teach Bamm how to do the hot dog retrieve without eating it... I started to teach him it and we never really got anywhere with it which is my fault really since I gave up and started working on other stuff with him. I may need to hit you up for some pointers.
 

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Not sure I can help you lol. I had never tried it before that day. It was the final challenge of the 'instructors challenge at Camp Dogwould. When they announced it was was like "whoooot" I bet my dog will do this trick!! They other instructors (even those on my team) looked at me like I was crazy.

BUT Dekka was the only dog out of about 26 that did it. Not only did she do it, she did it 4 times!! (you could sub in a dog but then it wasn't worth as many points)

Dekka has a very good "bring it here" cue....
 
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This post is in regard to JCM's. I just found out that my son and his friends started the "dog training" thread. I am sorry if they offended anyone. However, to call someone a Troll is juvenile.

To have derogatorily retaliated to the point of telling outright lies is a clear indication of a mental instability, a fragile ego, and extreme low self esteem.

This type of Infantile behavior does not belong on an adult forum. I hope, in time, everyone can recover. My son will not continue to upset you anymore.
 

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LOL you are funny.... And it has nothing to do with being an adult or not. So far there are no lies. Or are you claiming your 'son' lies and has a fragile ego? If so I am sorry for your 'son'.

My self esteem is VERY healthy thank you very much. But thank you for your concern. If you would like proof of some of what we say (assuming you are not claiming your son has mental instability) please JOIN the conversation and ask questions.

We call a troll a troll. If you were interested in the conversation and NOT a troll you would be having a conversation and responding to points and questions. Not quoting ridiculous articles so full of deliberate misinformation repeatedly.

Do you think my dog retrieving hot dogs is a lie?

(I love trotting this pic out :) )

How about 'reading'?


I know the people in this thread would love to show you proof of what they claim. Unlike you they have the records, titles and proof to back it up.

ETA To save you googling.. here is an album of some of my film stuff Pictures by GreyRun2 - Photobucket it doesn't have all of it, and none of the horse stuff, but enough to prove I am no lying. (Oh and Offseason, it was just Dekka and the actor and was nominated for a BAFTA.. that can easily be verified if you would like)

(to all the others in this thread, lets flood it with great examples of positive trained dogs doing everything from ordinary to extraordinary things!)
 
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Did you all see the ABC 15 news report on Bill and his K9TLC
Arizona - Gilbert (, U.S.A.)
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If Bill and his company are so honest why didn't he talk to the investigative reporter on ABC 15?

I was an unfortunate customer of K9 TLC. I paid for lessons and he only showed up once. Not to mention that he said the collars were supposed to be used to get the dogs attention. My 3 month old puppy was so attentive that Bill actually had to distract him so he could show me how the collar works. Why would you have to use a collar to get a puppy's attention when the puppy is already giving you his undivided attention?

ABC 15 exposed this company for it's unscrupulous practices. There are several unsatisfied customers out there. I would not recommend this company to anyone...unless you enjoy dealing with used car salesmen!

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About the ABC 15 news roport.
Tyler N. Glatzel - Phoenix (, U.S.A.)
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POSTED: Sunday, September 28, 2008
About the ABC 15 News Report i am Bill Glatzel's Son Tyler Glatzel and i saw the report and i gotta hand it to ABC for really stretching the truth... let me rephrase that completley, streching and then ripping the truth in half. They editied the clip to make it seem like he was a bad person or always running from the news crew when they came to his house, and the clip where he was driving away that was not him nad when one of his employees said they do put E-Collars on the dogs they train the clip cut off and didnt let her finish explaining how they use them and how there muscle stims.
If "Bill G" really is Bill Glatzel and the OP really is his son, they both need to exercise a little self control and self discipline before they even contemplate trying to instill it in dogs ;)
 

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...(to all the others in this thread, lets flood it with great examples of positive trained dogs doing everything from ordinary to extraordinary things!)
You mean like having all 4 of our Christmas pics last year come out the same because Caleb was told to stay?




Or this (earned by the way with a near perfect score, and a perfect one)?

MORE
 

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You mean like having all 4 of our Christmas pics last year come out the same because Caleb was told to stay?
you know, i find it somewhat mind-boggling how many people are amazed by group shots of my three dogs. how did i get them to all stay still for pictures like that?? uh, "sit, stay"?

 

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you know, i find it somewhat mind-boggling how many people are amazed by group shots of my three dogs. how did i get them to all stay still for pictures like that?? uh, "sit, stay"?
Same here...



ETA: This one too...




And it's not like i was right by them to grab them or anything... I'm VERY far away.
 

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you know, i find it somewhat mind-boggling how many people are amazed by group shots of my three dogs. how did i get them to all stay still for pictures like that?? uh, "sit, stay"?
I hear ya! I get the same thing, and I only have one dog. it's amazing what you can do with a good "stay"




 

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Off to tell Ruby that I have to stop giving her rewards when we're training because she's going to become aggressive and attack me.

If I don't return, you know the outcome.
 

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Not a troll here, just don't post very often - no need, I'd be preaching to the choir here :) though I've enjoyed lurking and learning.

Fun to play with the trolls and all, but even better to rationally explain the fallacies, fall-out and ineffectiveness of this kind of training, and even better as someone said, show what is possible with the dreaded cookie pushing PR methods. This forum pops up on google a lot and has unlimited viewing for non-members. I'm betting it has a lurker or two who could really benefit from some good information.

All that's on that page is very very basic at best, and much of it is nothing. I mean really... I could post a video or two of a half a dozen dogs lying around on beds, a few pics of dogs swimming, a lab retrieving (omg the shock!), and a few recalls and I can be a magic trainer too?
Exactly. I'm not even a professional dog trainer, but seriously, if a down-stay in a garage is your litmus test for exemplary training, then I'm not impressed. I can open my van door too and let out two children (of the human variety) and know that the furkids will stay put because I didn't release them. They also jump in the van on command too - amazing training powers I have huh?
Or a recall from a down stay? Really? The times I've needed a solid recall (and gotten it) the dogs were not in a down-stay patiently awaiting my command - they were in the middle of a good play wrestle over 300 yards away, or running up to some poor dumb trespasser on our land who was about to need a new pair of underpants, or about to take off and investigate that rustling in the woods that could easily have been a deer.... You get my drift. Show me a recall off a good bunny chase, not a down stay and I might be impressed ;)

You know this would be fun! Esp if you could choose a competition that wouldn't reward shut down dogs. Like training basic agility sequences where speed is important as well as accuracy. Or rally...

But I bet its one of those lets see who can get the dog to shut down the best with lots of stays and ignoring crazy distractions. Vs training the dog to DO things. Simply suppress the dog and go 'voila it is trained'

The best test would be at the end of the 4 hours the dogs all lose their reinforcers. So all dogs would have to compete naked with no rewards... I bet the shock collar trained dogs wouldn't be so suppressed once they figured out the was no shock coming ;)

Oh and lets all train whippets, or some obnoxious terriers. Just to make it interesting, the sort of dogs who don't care about working for praise...
I noticed there was no task the dog had to complete at the end. Much as I would love to take on that challenge, its un-winable. Without two exact same dogs, the crank and yankers would claim temperament issues or that the PR folk had "easier" dogs, or that their were the "true" dominant types. At least that's what people say to me - that I have "soft" dogs so of course my methods work. If I had a truly "hard" dog I'd have to resort to pain and fear. Nevermind that all of our dogs are "hand-me-downs" one even slated to be PTS for failing the shelter's temperament test so badly. And he's the one who weighs 140 pounds. He's a sweetheart and a half these days, but even so, might be fun to see one of the op's multiple personalities try to alpha roll him or even push him around a bit. He's not the type to suffer fools gladly.

the sort of dogs who don't care about working for praise
You mean the sort of dogs who say f-you for the "praise" that is really just a non-punishment marker right? :)
That's what these geniuses don't seem to get. They pooh pooh treats saying they want the dog working for THEM, yet they don't seem to realize that the dog is working to AVOID punishment the same way a reward trained dog works to GAIN a reward.

The real trainers are the ones who have the kind of relationship with their dogs that the relationship itself is actually a reward for both dog and owner. Watch out when that happens - you'll be achieving a lot more than a few down-stays.
 

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