Dog Has Been Cloned

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Personally I couldnt do it. Knowing that yes said dog looks exactly like Jazz or Emma but in reality isnt Jazz or Emma, well I think that would hurt to much.
 

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one part of me wants to clone roofus so that i will own him (well, a copy of him) forever.

another part tells me there will only ever be one roofus.

this third part tells me, when i look at roofus 2, that it would not be roofus, and it's kind of creepy. Like a pretend roofus.

i am kind of torn. is it disrespectful of your dog's memory to try to reproduce him and have him all over again?

i think i would just rather have roofus live forever. They should work on that instead.
 

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Other than the welfare issues involved (cloning can result in very unhealthy animals) I can't say I object in principle to cloning animals as breeding stock . . . and I see no way to allow breeding stock cloning without allowing pets . . .


But I'm convinced pet cloning is in essence an elaborate scam . . . although the companies inform everyone that its not the same animal, and is not going to be exactly the same . . . no one would really pay that kind of money unless they believed, on some level, that they were getting a duplicate.

No, I wouldn't do it. It wouldnt' be fair to the dog that looked and perhaps acted a bit like Sarama . . . and could never be Sarama
 

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Ok issues with cloning:

Aging is caused by the loss of telomeres every time a cell divides. So lets say you clone a dog that is 10 years old. The new pup starts off with age related issues of a 10 year old dog. So at 5 the new dog would have health issues related to a 15 year old dog.

Experience makes up a large part of personality. No two dogs will grow up the same.

Markings are NOT genetic. The predisposition for markings are. So when they have cloned dogs, cats, horses, cows etc etc markings are different from the 'parent'. So your new dog might not look like your old one. (IMO a good thing)

I do think cloning has its place. One of the top barrel racing horses of all time was a gelding. They cloned him (knowing the risks and will give him the best of care) to use for breeding. His sperm will be normal, so his children will be normal-hopefully very fast barrel horses.
 

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I want Kena clones. Now. An army of them, plz. I want to be buried in crazy, snuggly brown-dogs. :)

Kena says he wants an army of crazy bros too.
 

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I think it's rather creepy. Though I would miss Regis so much, I wouldn't want a "fake" Regis sitting there. It would really scare me, I think. I'd rather have the memory of Regis and slowly move on than have a cloned Regis made. I dunno.

It would look like Regis, but it wouldn't be Regis.. *shudder* Sounds like a horror movie.
 

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It is not the same dog. It is so stupid. All you are doing is dishonouring the memory of your past pet by not allowing yourself to love a new dog.
I do miss mine so much but I love having the joy of sharing my life with a new personality each time. Besides, I would rather adopt.
 

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Nope, it's the not the same dog and there is no way for it to be the same dog. Now, keep my Buddy Boy with me forever and then we'll talk... :)
 

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since i am a big believer in souls..does it make you wonder? Is the first dogs soul required to come back instead of going on the path it is suppose to be on? How selfish. I loved Bronki but i wouldn't intrap him into a genetically weak body. That is not love. IF that isn't it...does the clone have a soul? That's scary.
 

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NOPE.

first off i think this is playing God. I find it very frightening that we are cloning anything. scary

secondly... while I wish Teddy could have been with us forever I would KNOW that this cloned dog is NOT Teddy. He may act like Teddy (many dogs do act like Teddy... even Beezer is so much like him) but he would never BE Teddy. He would be a carbon copy... a fake.
 

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I'm against it. First off we have enough dogs as it is, if everyone starts cloning their dogs we'll be even more over-populated with them especially since they won't be doing it for the right reasons. I also worry about health, the last thing we need is having an abundance of unhealthy dogs, plus imagine watching your dog die twice in a short period of time. I also worry that for some people it will lessen the value of the dog's life, he dies you can just make a new him. I just don't like the idea of cloning much, it's not the same dog really after all. I think people need to concentrate on the dog's LIFE NOW and make it the best they can. If I had the chance to clone Max i would not, if I had the chance to bring him back from the dead I sure would.
 

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No way. It's sick.

It's like trying to clone cows for "better meat". Thats gross! :mad:
 
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I believe that what makes us who we are is our individual essence, life energy, or soul (whatever you want to call it), not our physical bodies and I also believe that it remains intact when we leave our physical bodies. What makes us who we are is such a complex combination of so many things that I do not believe that it would ever be possible to duplicate nor do I think it would be beneficial.

Death is a natural part of the circle of life and I would feel that I was being disrespectful to my pet if I tried to make a copy. To me, it somehow cheapens the memory of the original version. It would not be out of love for his or her life, because you cannot bring that life back. It seems to me to be based more on a selfish need to possess something similar to something you once owned.

Animals (and people) are not like articles of clothing or manufactured goods. We should not be mass (re)produced. We are like works of art and we all know that once they start making copies of the original works, you see a decline in both quality and value.

For me, I prefer to love my pet for its individuality while it is here and continue to love it when it is called home. I guess that all of my years of working with senior animals have given me a greater appreciation for the meaning of life and the transition of death. They have taught me that life is not measured in quantity.

Every time that I think I cannot open my heart to a new pet, I find that I can fall in love again. I think that all of the animals already in existence deserve to have someone fall in love with them more than we deserve to be able to make a recreation of a past pet. They deserve to have us appreciate their individuality. It is surprising sometimes that they express many of the same qualities as other pets I've known, but they deserve to be embraced for who they are.

Why clone when there are animals being destroyed every second of every day because they don't have a home? I just can't see it. They need us. I am all for cloning organs for medical purposes, but I get off the train there. I can see no reason for cloning complete beings. I think it devalues life.

Don't spend your time trying to recreate your past...there is a whole future out there and there are so many pets already in this world that need you. If you give them a chance, you can have the same sort of love that you had before or have now. It will be uniquely different, but none the less precious.
 

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NOPE.

first off i think this is playing God. I find it very frightening that we are cloning anything. scary

secondly... while I wish Teddy could have been with us forever I would KNOW that this cloned dog is NOT Teddy. He may act like Teddy (many dogs do act like Teddy... even Beezer is so much like him) but he would never BE Teddy. He would be a carbon copy... a fake.
The thing that makes this a scam, rather than merely creepy, is that the resulting animals aren't even carbon copies. They are GENETIC copies, but there are too many other factors (womb conditions, prenatal diet, experience, upbringing) that go into making a dog or a person an individual. These people not only won't get their dog (or their child, or their cat) back . . . they won't even get a really good copy. They'll get the equivalent of an indentical twin . . . likely similar (though not necessrarily in appearence if they had markings) but not the same.

As for the souls . . . no, clones are individuals, just like identical twins. My feeling is, assuming souls transmigrate, the soul would just go on . . . its not the same animal, not the same body.

Actually, the better meat thing doesn't bother me much. Largely, they want to clone breeding stock . . . there are practical reasons why this is possibly not a good plan, but it doesn't bother me in a "creepy" sense. It does bother me ethically, because the technology isn't ready yet . ..there are too many unpleasant failures, and therefore I have welfare concerns.
 

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