Dew Claws??

[Laurelin]

I think she's just getting defensive because there were many posts that really did make it sound like if you do a pediatric spay or neuter you are irresponsible and horrible. Period. Maybe that's not what people meant to say but that is what I read it as. She mentioned she was getting the dog neutered and then people jumped on her saying it was the wrong thing to do. Then she tried to explain why she felt it was best for her rescue but people keep on. I don't read any of her posts saying anything bad about keeping dogs intact responsibly, just that her rescue isn't okay with adopting dogs out without neutering them. Which to me is just fine and I can totally understand the reasoning.

Yeah the last post was a bit callous I agree.

 

[SarahHound]

WTF???????? In all my years of dog ownership I have NEVER seen a dog without front dew claws!

My Lurchers had theirs removed when they were tiny. I found it odd when I first adopted a dog with them!

 

[Dekka]

I think she's just getting defensive because there were many posts that really did make it sound like if you do a pediatric spay or neuter you are irresponsible and horrible. Period. Maybe that's not what people meant to say but that is what I read it as. She mentioned she was getting the dog neutered and then people jumped on her saying it was the wrong thing to do. Then she tried to explain why she felt it was best for her rescue but people keep on. I don't read any of her posts saying anything bad about keeping dogs intact responsibly, just that her rescue isn't okay with adopting dogs out without neutering them. Which to me is just fine and I can totally understand the reasoning.

Yeah the last post was a bit callous I agree.

perhaps, except that was much earlier in the thread. It just seemed she said we were jumping on her for not liking her links or the idea that it was risk free.

If she doesn't think we are jumping on her now why does she keep saying people hate her and want to sue her?

iz so confused....

 

[sillysally]

My Lurchers had theirs removed when they were tiny. I found it odd when I first adopted a dog with them!

Both of my dogs have theirs, but you see dogs without them all the time in the states....

 

[LauraLeigh]

I never said there was no risk. But it doesn't matter to me. If it dies during surgery, bummer but that's sometimes how life is. If it gets cancer down the road, oh well. That's how life is. Choose your poison.
Those opinions you sneer at come after years of performing prepubescent surgery, BTW.

I understand why the need for S/N for shelters and rescues, and agree it is a needed evil in some areas to do ped. S/N….

I do not however, care for the way you come across…. Maybe it is from frustration, and my lack of nicotine… But you come across very arrogant and much the type of rescue person who puts me off because of an I know better than you attitude…. A few things you have said in this thread come across that way, the *sarcastic* remark about how no one who rescues was posting for example…. I think you'll find many, many chazzers, even the breeders, rescue… have rescued, or help rescue….

I fully understand where you are coming from, but, find the way you word things very offputting….

I hope that's just frustration, because I agree with your points on why a rescue/shelter may need to do this, I don't think it's a great thing to do, BUT totally understand why you have to… I am a perfect example of what can go wrong with intact animals

I don't *not* like you, and understand you are likely getting very frustrated, but the way you have worded things through this whole thread, did come across the wrong way to me… and I agree with everything you say except maybe about the risks….

 

[LauraLeigh]

Yet being "sickened" and "disheartened" by a rescuer's decision seems like a rather harsh jab at someone who is doing a great deal of good for a lot of dogs.

When I didn't rescue, I had far different feelings towards situations like this. I would've been far more inclined to agree with most of you who have posted on this thread, because I really couldn't see past MY life with MY dogs. And no way would I have done that to one of my dogs. It was all about me, me, me and what I felt was best for my small household. To those of you who have never done rescue work, trust me - your outlook changes when you start taking in multiple generations of unwanted dogs.

For what it's worth I strongly disagree with the articles the OP posted (especially about there being no cons to pediatric s/n) but I still understand the OP's point. Any dog can die during surgery at any time. Any dog can die of cancer. You can't predict the future, but at some point you have to stop looking so closely at each individual dog and look at the bigger picture. It's not an issue of not caring or being callous, it's a preventative measure. And her outlook is realistic - yeah. Some dogs will die being spayed/neutered. Some will also die of cancer. It happens, it's sad, but it's a decision that is made for the well-being of the entire dog population and not just one animal.

When a better, equally foolproof method of population control comes around, please let us know.

Pretty much how I feel…. Bang on….. I don't like it but totally understand why it is needed…. I will say, I have been frustrated by the OP's tone at times though….

 

[dachshunds4me]

This is a purebred Dobie PUPPY, a rarity in rescue, and yes, we can afford to be *very* picky.

Zoom, I understand the neuter thing, but you know what, by the time a dog is a year old it could have sired a few dozen litters, so that was a no-go.

It's a nice thought in theory but in practice (especially in rescue) there was no negotiating that. The only way would be to keep him in foster a whole year and needless to say that was not going to happen.

Besides-- I've seen updated pics of that boy and there's no way to tell he was altered young, he is absolutely stunning

Back on page TWO I stated that I understood the neutering thing. yet people continued to pick pick pick. I have seen the ONE study that says dogs can have longer legs and a slightly increased chance of a type of cancer.

Yes my response is one of frustration. Disappointment for sure. It's like a few of the people who duck in to just insult me just live to argue and I'm really at a loss as to how to deal with that.
Perhaps ignoring it all from the beginning - but then you'd likely think me rude/arrogant as well.

We have a great rescue, we do great things in this God-forsaken area where nobody alters their pets.
As Dober said, you have to look at the BIG PICTURE and that's what we do here.
It is hard to lose one - we have before - but we've also lost them after adoption to being hit by a car and even one was playing and broke it's neck in a freak fall.
Things happen every day - and a slightly increased chance of a cancer that may or may not even occur, well, I am willing to take that chance.

A few of you live to pick and insult and be nasty, I get that - and because of them (before it was explained to me via PM about them) I became very defensive.

I know the pros/cons of early s/n and yet I find the numerous benefits (for the 1000th time) outweigh any risks that may exist.

I hope that's clear??

 

[dachshunds4me]

Pretty much how I feel…. Bang on….. I don't like it but totally understand why it is needed…. I will say, I have been frustrated by the OP's tone at times though….

You of all people should understand

 

[LauraLeigh]

You of all people should understand

Pardon??????? Re Read what you quoted please…… As well as these:

I understand why the need for S/N for shelters and rescues, and agree it is a needed evil in some areas to do ped. S/N….

I don't like it but totally understand why it is needed….

My FIRST Reply:

I don't like ped. S/N… But totally understand why an overwhelmed shelter may do that…

I am a perfect example of how an Oops litter can happen…

Tell me where I said I did not understand…. I said I did not care for your tone at times, I NEVER said I did not understand….

The Eye Roll, and Me of all people reply, would be the Tone I don't like….

 

[Danefied]

Um.... okay...

So, we all agree that early spay/neuter is not ideal but certainly understandable why so many rescues and shelters choose to go that route.
(Honestly, the few breeders I consider responsible in my breed also require pet dogs to be altered as per their contract - granted, not at 8 weeks, usually around one year.)

We all agree that it is perfectly possible to keep intact dogs responsibly.

We all agree that the health choices we make for our dogs are often personal based on much research AND personal experience.

Can we all agree that dew claw removal also falls under that personal choice umbrella and call it a day?

 

[Doberluv]

Um.... okay...

So, we all agree that early spay/neuter is not ideal but certainly understandable why so many rescues and shelters choose to go that route.
(Honestly, the few breeders I consider responsible in my breed also require pet dogs to be altered as per their contract - granted, not at 8 weeks, usually around one year.)

We all agree that it is perfectly possible to keep intact dogs responsibly.

We all agree that the health choices we make for our dogs are often personal based on much research AND personal experience.

Can we all agree that dew claw removal also falls under that personal choice umbrella and call it a day?

:hail:

Ahhhh....the voice of reason, at last. I certainly hope we can call it a day and as far as arguing further, just "leave it?" It's not worth hurting feelings over. I'll give you a cookie...

 

[Shai]

I'll give you a cookie...

Snickerdoodle? *fingerscrossed*

 

[corgipower]

I'll give you a cookie...

Well where was that offer 20 pages ago?

 

[Danefied]

:hail:

Ahhhh....the voice of reason, at last. I certainly hope we can call it a day and as far as arguing further, just "leave it?" It's not worth hurting feelings over. I'll give you a cookie...

Thanks but...
Oh man, please no cookies - I'm a girl-scout mom. "Cookie" a bad word around here these days!

 

[RD]

SAMOAS........ Oh, man, now I'm hungry.

I miss being a girl-scout simply for those amazing little cookies...

 

[LauraLeigh]

SAMOAS........ Oh, man, now I'm hungry.

I miss being a girl-scout simply for those amazing little cookies...

I forgot about them, do they still sell them? I remember being in trouble for eating the Chocolate side of the box….. LOL

I have not seen any being sold in years… Now I want one!!!!

 

[AllieMackie]

I forgot about them, do they still sell them? I remember being in trouble for eating the Chocolate side of the box….. LOL

I have not seen any being sold in years… Now I want one!!!!

Laura, you're so Canadian... Just like me.

In the states there's like 10 varieties of girl scout cookies, or something. They have samoas and macaroon-things and other amazing cookies.

Here, we just get choco-vanilla spring cookies and choco-mint in winter.

And I have nothing to add to this thread constructively. It was all argued to the point of ridiculous 15+ pages ago.

 

[lizzybeth727]

I forgot about them, do they still sell them? I remember being in trouble for eating the Chocolate side of the box….. LOL

I have not seen any being sold in years… Now I want one!!!!

OMG seriously??? I haven't been able to walk into ANY store this month without being bombarded by little girls trying to sell cookies. And I HAVE to buy a box every time. I have three boxes still in my cabinet, I'm actually starting to get sick of them.

 

[DogKisses]

You all forgot the lolcats, they were long overdue.

 

[LauraLeigh]

LOL Those pups, minus the big pink one (LOL) look like Di's!