Daddy the pitbull passes the torch

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Forgot to add this but as for Daddy being shutdown - I don't know, I've seen him happy on plenty of occasions, he looks more like he's in a work mode to me when he's on house calls with Cesar. When the show brings you to Cesar's place I always notice Daddy rolling around in the background =p.
 

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I'm all for positive training but you can't deny the number of dogs Millan has helped. I hope one day he decides to change his methods, but he has helped a lot of people and dogs and it's not right to condemn the man just because he uses some older techniques. I believe he genuinely loves dogs and wants to help them, he just uses different methods then some of you.
Seriously, people act like he's the anti-Christ of the dog world or something.

How many dogs has he helped? Especially when you figure how many he has hurt. (directly and indirectly) I cannot tell you how many times I have had clients beside themselves when they come to me because their dog has escalated from normal obnoxious puppy behaviour to dangerous 'deviant' dog behaviour following CM's methods.

I have seen first hand what trying to 'dominate' a suspicious dog can do. Its not pretty and often leads to the dog on death row. Personally I think more dogs are lost because of his show than those that are saved.

I do agree he loves dogs. And I agree he is charming and a great TV personality. But none of these things means he is actually good at training dogs, or is in anyway a good role model for dog owners.
 

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as a past Cesar worshiper I can say his show made me less scared of Pit bulls, but not for a second did I feel the need to rush out and get one.

I think anyone who has a sugar coated view of the dogs is much more influenced by the people around them than tv.

I find it humorous that i still catch glimpses of Daddy pulling on his leash in many episodes....
 

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Yea, My mom used to hate pitts and everything about them, as a kid she told me to stay away from the one down the road because it would bite me and lock its jaws.

we watch cesar all the time now and she no longer thinks of them like that. She see's them as a "normal" dog that need educated owners.

She even tells people now that there ar no bad dogs, or bad breeds of dogs, just bad owners..

So yes, I do like cesar and what he has done for pitbulls. I like cesar as a person and Ive noticed a change in some of his training techniques as the showhas progressed. He has been using a little more positive reinforcment in the more recent shows and has even recommended people try doing agility and such to raise their dogs confidance and the bond between dog and owner. I honeslty cant remember the last time ive watched cesar do a alpha roll on a dog. Of course i still know he isnt perfect and some of his techniques still do suck. But there are far worse things going on in this world regards to "training".
 

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daddy is a "pit bull", but by no means is he a true american pit bull terrier. He's an american bully with truly who knows what breeds in his genetic makeup as ambullies are mixed breed dogs that can include, but not solely include, the apbt, ast, english bulldog, dogue de bordeaux, neo mastiff, american bulldog and whatever else the breed-for-looks people want to throw into the mix.

What has ceasar done for "pit bulls" besides shoving it down people's throats that you can indeed train the dog aggression out of these dogs? The day i train the da out of tar baby will be the day i train his white coat color off of him as well. Or maybe i should train his black nose color off while i'm at it.

Doing a little bit of good accompanied by a large amount of harm and spewing loads of misinformation doesn't equate to doing right by these dogs. We need people to educate and be educated truthfully.....not be told of rainbows and unicorns.
a-freakin-men.
 

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I know my dog doesn't live with unicorns and under rainbows when it comes to other dogs.
And I'll be the FIRST to tell people the misconception lies A.) breed identification (most people do not know a REAL APBT from a mix, and when you calculate a "mix" into the "mixture" god knows WHAT characteristics from whatever breed the dog acts on) B. with pit bulls vs. humans. C. there's a difference between human aggression and dog aggression.<---This is one thing I find the general public has the most difficult time grasping.
Whenever I read about pit bulls and aggression (just aggression, not specified) it makes me cringe and want to pull my hair out.

People just do not seem to get that there are different types of aggression.
And it makes me wanna scream profanities at them.
But I don't.
 

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alright my turn!

I own many seasons of the dog whisperer. I do not see Daddy being shut down. I would love for someone to point me out a time he seems shut down.

and there are LOTS worse people out there than Cesar.

I do not agree with most of his training methoods, and I do see dogs shut down on his show on occasion. but Cesar is not the devil.
 

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So do I understand you correctly....to be a "true" APBT they have to be DA? Do you really believe that?
Whoa...
Uh, did I say that???

Where in your quote did I say that?
Where did I say that, period??

WTF. Why are you twisting my words, making up something I never said, and picking out a quote from me (who NEVER quoted you to begin with)?
 

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Assuming someone is uneducated simply because they like Cesar Millan is a little insolent.
Do me a favour and point out where I suggested that she was uneducated?
I don't know how to overhaul and engine, I could educate myself how to, but I assure you, I am highly educated, just not on that topic.
 

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Whoa...
Uh, did I say that???

Where in your quote did I say that?
Where did I say that, period??

WTF. Why are you twisting my words, making up something I never said, and picking out a quote from me (who NEVER quoted you to begin with)?
Because that's what people do on here.
 

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and there are LOTS worse people out there than Cesar.
i don't understand this argument.

amstaffer said:
So do I understand you correctly....to be a "true" APBT they have to be DA? Do you really believe that?
or this one.

so because there are worse people than cesar, cesar's all good? we're not supposed to have concerns about the disservices he is doing our breed, because there are people doing worse? though i can't say off the top of my head that i can think of any in prime time.

and i've yet to see anyone saying that a true APBT has to be DA, just that the majority are and to expect otherwise is to set the dog up for failure. i just never understand why DA is so distasteful to someone who owns bully breed dogs.
 

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this was supposed to be a happy thread :(

I like daddy (and for the record, i DO NOT think he is "shut down" ive met the dog in person and although hes getting a bit old he is a VERY happy well mannered dog) and although I do not like everything cesar does.. I don't hate him. I think the majority of problems arrise when people try to mimic what cesar does, not the work cesar does himself.

All dogs are individuals. Ive met pits that are great with other dogs.. but I do think when getting a APBT you should be prepared to have a dog that is DA even thought he may well grow up and not be.

Junior has grown up to be a beautiful dog..









and I for one, think he is a happy, beautiful dog that has a great life with the rest of cesars family dogs (pictured above).
 

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Nice photos of Junior, he is coming on nicely. In the bottom photo is that Mr President and Coco with Daddy and Junior do you know?
 

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I have seen first hand what trying to 'dominate' a suspicious dog can do. Its not pretty and often leads to the dog on death row. Personally I think more dogs are lost because of his show than those that are saved.

I do agree he loves dogs. And I agree he is charming and a great TV personality. But none of these things means he is actually good at training dogs, or is in anyway a good role model for dog owners.
It's not Cesar's fault that people try to recreate his techniques and results at home.
You know, it says do not try these techniques at home, or contact a professional, or something along those lines at the beginning of the show and after EVERY commercial break for a reason.



alright my turn!

I own many seasons of the dog whisperer. I do not see Daddy being shut down. I would love for someone to point me out a time he seems shut down.

and there are LOTS worse people out there than Cesar.

I do not agree with most of his training methoods, and I do see dogs shut down on his show on occasion. but Cesar is not the devil.

Exactly.


Oh dear lord! I hope that you spend some time educating yourself of positive training. Please read The Power of Positive Training by Pat Miller. Please please please!
Excuse me?
I am very well educated, and just because I like Cesar Millan doesn't mean that I'm ignorant. I know all about positive training, and my dogs have been trained in a positive way.
I do however live near a town that is the center of all ignorance and all their dogs are extremely timid because they beat them as a form of training. I have had to give quite a few people a piece of my mind as far as that goes, and have changed quite a few minds about the way they treat their dogs.
So thank you very much, but I am definitely not uneducated, and it looks like you're the one who could use a little education.

Assuming someone is uneducated simply because they like Cesar Millan is a little insolent.
Thank you.
 

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this was supposed to be a happy thread :(

I like daddy (and for the record, i DO NOT think he is "shut down" ive met the dog in person and although hes getting a bit old he is a VERY happy well mannered dog) and although I do not like everything cesar does.. I don't hate him. I think the majority of problems arrise when people try to mimic what cesar does, not the work cesar does himself.

All dogs are individuals. Ive met pits that are great with other dogs.. but I do think when getting a APBT you should be prepared to have a dog that is DA even thought he may well grow up and not be.

Junior has grown up to be a beautiful dog..









and I for one, think he is a happy, beautiful dog that has a great life with the rest of cesars family dogs (pictured above).
I love Junior. :)
I love the pictures!
 

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It's not Cesar's fault that people try to recreate his techniques and results at home.
You know, it says do not try these techniques at home, or contact a professional, or something along those lines at the beginning of the show and after EVERY commercial break for a reason.

Yes it is. If he really wanted to help dogs he would use methods anyone could use.

Also he is NOT all that successful by behaviorist standards. There are people who are FAR more successful in 'fixing' these sorts of dogs. They just aren't as flashy or as charismatic.

I don't hate CM. I think he's probably a really nice guy. I DO hate what he does to dogs on his shows. I DO hate what people take away from his shows (that is fairly specific to him... ie the dominance crap). I DO hate getting dogs through the rescue that are dumped because people tried to dominate their JRT into submission and now it bites.

It is interesting that those who teach classes/or are trainers are the most vocal against his methods. I assume its because we see first hand what his methods produce.

I have seen oodles and oodles of shut down dogs on his show. But can't say I have seen any of Daddy shut down. But then I have never seen CM work with him.
 

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Whoa...
Uh, did I say that???

Where in your quote did I say that?
Where did I say that, period??

WTF. Why are you twisting my words, making up something I never said, and picking out a quote from me (who NEVER quoted you to begin with)?
Sorry if I took you wrong but the way I read if a dog (Pit Bull) isn't DA then they are not real... like Unicorns.

I didn't say you said anything....I was asking for a clarification, thus the ?? marks.
 

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Sorry if I took you wrong but the way I read if a dog (Pit Bull) isn't DA then they are not real... like Unicorns.

I didn't say you said anything....I was asking for a clarification, thus the ?? marks.
No, that's not what I said, and no I NEVER implied that.
I don't know who you are, so unless I say something outright, please do not quote me and interject what you *think* I might have said/meant.

No, not ALL APBTs are dog aggressive, but yes, the propensity IS there.
They may NEVER become and/or show dog aggression, but the good majority of them will.
It's like training a collie not to herd, a lab not to retrieve, a beagle not to sniff.
Sure, you may get the occasional collie that wouldn't think twice to herd ANYTHING, you may get a lab that would rather observe when someone throws a ball, or a beagle that doesn't smell anything.
But those are instinctual things that those dogs have been bred for.

To deny the history of the APBT is plain ignorant.
To deny that they have the propensity for dog aggression that other breeds may not have, WILL set these dogs up for failure, I'd say, at least a good 95% of the time.
Amstaffer, perhaps your dogs fall into that 5%, but as long as my dog dislikes other dogs (like she has shown me), I will not pretend she is a unicorn or living under a rainbow, nor will I EVER educate the public like so.
 

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