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i have read every post in this thread. there has been really good observations written by everyone who has posted. i have to comment and add my two cents worth:
i have korean jindos. they are great dogs and rare outside of california in this country. the first time i had heard them mentioned outside of a breed specific publications was on the dog whisperer. it should have made me really happy that an interesting and smart breed was going to get this kind of attention.
when i was training dogs at PetSmart, my good friend and head trainer recommended watching some CM because so many people reference his methods when they start the course and it helps to know what your customers are talking about. i don't have national geographic and so she invited me over to watch the show which featured Jindos.
it was awful: he started out by demonizing Jindos as agressive and unsuitable for living with families with small children or with families period. he said that most people leave them in the backyard with good reason: they are untrustworthy. then, as a dominance exercise, he put a choke chain on the dog and held the dog off of the ground so that only his back toes were touching the ground. his front paws were off the ground. cm held him that way until he was "calm", then let him down. if the dog moved without his permission, cm repeated this action. the owners stood by and let this happen. the justification? this dog was a rescue off of the street.
we watched it first with the sound off and then with the sound on. it is astonishing the difference that his accent makes. and he distracts with his running commentary.
i have great dogs who have been trained with +R methods. every jindo i know is a good dog.
i teach school. if i used any methods for R (+ or otherwise) that were considered acceptable and necessary 45+ years ago i would be fired. most teaching methods from that era are laughed about if they are brought up in faculty meetings now. if i tried to teach without proper training or without proper certification and relied on my experience alone, i wouldn't be called a professional, i'd be drummed out of town on a pole. and rightly so.
karen pryor has a great article about why cm is on oprah and clicker training isn't. it has a lot to do, i think, with america's obsession with the amateur - you know Next Super Iron Design Big Thing that was Living Right Next to You. and you could be next.
i know that lots of people have said similar things but i really don't want my breed demonized in any way by him, so i felt like i needed to say something.
i have read every post in this thread. there has been really good observations written by everyone who has posted. i have to comment and add my two cents worth:
i have korean jindos. they are great dogs and rare outside of california in this country. the first time i had heard them mentioned outside of a breed specific publications was on the dog whisperer. it should have made me really happy that an interesting and smart breed was going to get this kind of attention.
when i was training dogs at PetSmart, my good friend and head trainer recommended watching some CM because so many people reference his methods when they start the course and it helps to know what your customers are talking about. i don't have national geographic and so she invited me over to watch the show which featured Jindos.
it was awful: he started out by demonizing Jindos as agressive and unsuitable for living with families with small children or with families period. he said that most people leave them in the backyard with good reason: they are untrustworthy. then, as a dominance exercise, he put a choke chain on the dog and held the dog off of the ground so that only his back toes were touching the ground. his front paws were off the ground. cm held him that way until he was "calm", then let him down. if the dog moved without his permission, cm repeated this action. the owners stood by and let this happen. the justification? this dog was a rescue off of the street.
we watched it first with the sound off and then with the sound on. it is astonishing the difference that his accent makes. and he distracts with his running commentary.
i have great dogs who have been trained with +R methods. every jindo i know is a good dog.
i teach school. if i used any methods for R (+ or otherwise) that were considered acceptable and necessary 45+ years ago i would be fired. most teaching methods from that era are laughed about if they are brought up in faculty meetings now. if i tried to teach without proper training or without proper certification and relied on my experience alone, i wouldn't be called a professional, i'd be drummed out of town on a pole. and rightly so.
karen pryor has a great article about why cm is on oprah and clicker training isn't. it has a lot to do, i think, with america's obsession with the amateur - you know Next Super Iron Design Big Thing that was Living Right Next to You. and you could be next.
i know that lots of people have said similar things but i really don't want my breed demonized in any way by him, so i felt like i needed to say something.