Bean structure question.

elegy

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Bean like never ever stands with his hocks perpendicular to the ground. He pretty much always stands with his rear up underneath him. Would you worry about it (sports wise)? He just turned a year.













and this one, just so you can all appreciate his flamboyant tail.

 

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It's hard to tell from these pics, but my guess is that he's overangulated in the rear. You see GSDs standing like that when they are just hanging out. His legs would be way out behind him if he stood with his hocks perpendicular.
 

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Pictures are tough to tell from as it could just be as simple as being over-angulated in the rear or it could be a completely different issue that effects his ability to run and jump. If he has plenty of extension in the rear during gaiting and jumps from his hind end rather than front end, then I wouldn't be overly concerned. However, if he carries his weight on his front because he is overcompensating for an issue in the hind end, it will effect his jumping style as well as cause issues later on with running.

Best thing if there are ever concerns with a sport's dog structure is to have the dog evaluated by a sports vet. Nothing is better than getting hands on the dog by someone trained and experienced in looking for issues that can be prevented. I would also think about getting his hip rads done.
 

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I know he's just moving at a casual pace, but that first gaiting picture gives me pause. I'm not sure why other than it looks uncomfortable with the way his rear legs appear to be extending and flexing.

I'd agree with hip xray and/or sports vet, just to be sure.
 

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Yes, he is sickle-hocked.

Sports vet is a good idea. I am going to xray his hips, but I probably won't for another six months or so.

I think over-angulated is probably the right answer.

I should get video of him. I don't see anything that concerns me in how he actually moves, just in how he stands. We haven't done a whole lot of jumping yet, but he jumps nicely enough and off his rear.
 
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Would it be possible to get a stacked picture of him? With his rear out the way it should be. That could tell us a lot, too.
 

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not by myself. i need to enlist help.

here he is at 8 weeks. i could manage it then :p

 
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Are those pictures of him moving accurate depictions? I'd be interested in seeing more, or video. Does he trot straight forward, or is he angled with respect to his direction? I don't think he's in danger of a leg falling off or anything, but what I see is a significant imbalance between the angulation of the rear and the angulation in the front. I agree that he has too much in the rear, but I think there's something else off that I can't place my finger on.

You can see in the first gaiting shot how he's fully extended his left front leg, but there's still a lot of bend in his left rear. His back legs are writing checks the front can't cash.

He also looks pretty close to square, which means the space under his body for his feet to go is at a premium. With long legs with a lot of angulation, that might explain why his right legs look awkward to me.

Is he significantly more muscled in the front or the rear? He's young enough it might not have had time to build up, but if say the shoulder muscles are significalty more developed than the rear, you know the rear is weak and the front has been compensating. I went to a Pat Hastings seminar where she pointed it out on a boxer-type dog, and it was really easy to see.
 

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