Bad Dog Trainer Beware !!

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Purdue#1

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the only time you ever use the stick in training is when your dog no longer has a collar and lead on like in advanced obedience or in behavior training like aggression issues or chasing things like cars or other moving objects.

For example one person's dog in our class doesn't wear a leash because its at that high level of obedience. she uses the stave to correct her dog because obviously she has no leash and collar to do so. That's for obedience training.

an example of behavior training would be when her dog used to attack other dogs. you hit that dog with that stick until it never dreams of trying to bite another dog again. You call it abuse i call it a good correction and so does she and everyone else in our class
 
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actually labra, he's thinking of putting a search and rescue team together because all the dogs are advancing in training and doing great at tracking
 

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Funny, I was able to curb Eevee's dog aggression without having to beat her with a stick, or even touch her at all. >9.9<
 

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Well I fix aggression issues (not just hide them)....that guy makes great fodder for all the examples the real trainers get.

I can win in obedience with JRT without ever hitting them..wowee I must be a much better trainer than any of them then right? HAHA and at 'high' levels too.
 

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Prudue, sinse you are so prone to violence, abuse and are so easily brain washed and finds ways to justify your actions and your mentors...........I just hope to h**l that someone with that much influence over you doesn't put a d**n gun in your hand. You sound like an excellent recruit for one of the wacked Militate groups.

DanL,
I was the one thinking about some Ring Sport with one of my Jrts one day.
I know several people that have with excellent results. I agree there is a huge difference between training to test a dogs courage to using abusive methods and harsh corrections to train.







the only time you ever use the stick in training is when your dog no longer has a collar and lead on like in advanced obedience or in behavior training like aggression issues or chasing things like cars or other moving objects.

For example one person's dog in our class doesn't wear a leash because its at that high level of obedience. she uses the stave to correct her dog because obviously she has no leash and collar to do so. That's for obedience training.

an example of behavior training would be when her dog used to attack other dogs. you hit that dog with that stick until it never dreams of trying to bite another dog again. You call it abuse i call it a good correction and so does she and everyone else in our class
 

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I can imagine a pack of JRT's scampering over a guy in a bite suit, pulling him to the ground. :)
 
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actually i've had a gun in my hand before.:rolleyes: and I'm not brainwashed. Its the kind of training i was looking for just a little harsher. Dogs need some form of correction. If they don't it doesn't seem right to me. there's no balance.

Your methods are just praise, praise, praise. when a dog has problems you remove the thing that is causing the dog to become troublesome or remove the dog or try to get the dog to ignore the thing, yet if you were to take the dog later in this "method' of training you are using and comfront the problem head on when you say your dog is over his problem, whatever it may be, the dog breaks down because he can't handle it. and when he has no choice but to confront the problem head on he freaks. Whose issues are really hidden then?:rolleyes:


Just because a dog doesn't compete in obedience competitions or has titles on their dogs doesn't make them a bad trainer. titles on a dog don't tell how good the trainer is. The dog will tell you that.
 

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Your methods are just praise, praise, praise. when a dog has problems you remove the thing that is causing the dog to become troublesome or remove the dog or try to get the dog to ignore the thing, yet if you were to take the dog later in this "method' of training you are using and comfront the problem head on when you say your dog is over his problem, whatever it may be, the dog breaks down because he can't handle it. and when he has no choice but to confront the problem head on he freaks. Whose issues are really hidden then?:rolleyes:
Frankly, you don't know what any of our methods are, and it's very apparent by the first sentence. I'm sorry, but I can't stand it when somebody assumes that just because you don't physically ABUSE your dog that all you do is praise for everything, and let the dog get away with anything. My dog IS over her problem. I can take her out in public with no problems at all, take her to pet stores filled with dogs, dog parks, etc. And I accomplished it all without beating her into submission, thank you very much. >u.u<
 

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For example one person's dog in our class doesn't wear a leash because its at that high level of obedience. she uses the stave to correct her dog because obviously she has no leash and collar to do so. That's for obedience training.
If this dog is so well trained (and, good Lord, do I hate the words "he is so well trained he does not need a leash" :rolleyes:) what on earth could it be doing wrong to warrant being hit with a stick?

an example of behavior training would be when her dog used to attack other dogs. you hit that dog with that stick until it never dreams of trying to bite another dog again. You call it abuse i call it a good correction and so does she and everyone else in our class
LOL - you really think that being abusive (ever heard of the phrase 'violence breeds violence'?) and hitting a dog aggressive dog with a stick to 'cure' it is going to work? what you are doing is beating the dog into submission. The dog is still aggressive but has become so oppressed that it effectively shuts down. That is not training - that is abuse.

Whose issues are really hidden then?
The only person with issues here are you and your abusive "trainer".
 

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Sigh..so it means nothing that positively trained dogs have won big in obedience, agility and Schutzhund? That I with my non obedience breed of dog regularly beat goldens and BC? Just because you don't think it feels balanced means nothing. Its what the dog feels that is important. I actually hardly ever praise my dogs, now that I think of it. My dogs know what is expected. And just because I don't hit my dogs does not mean there are no concequences, if they choose not to listen. But that doesn't happen often. my dogs respect me and for the most part *want* to work for me. You said in another thread that dogs don't like obedience. Now I know why..if you beat a dog they are not going to like it. Mine love obedience because, while it is hard, they know there are rewards. Its like school. Who would like HS if you had to be beated into submission. Many kids who are raised right, and who are properly stimulated, love school and achieve high marks. My dogs love 'school'.
 
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My bitch enjoys obedience, and so do I. She has NEVER been struck, strung up, yelled at, or otherwise intimidated during any training.

We have several titles to our credit and multiple High In Trial awards.

My dog is my partner. When I have to strike, yell, and intimidate, I'll find another hobby.

JMO as always...
 

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My experience with dogs is very limited but the dog that I have has been abused by people and it's the most horrible thing I can imagine doing to an animal. He isn't obedient, he is terrified.

Since I've been using positive, reinforcing techniques he has really started to come out of his shell and grow in confidence. He WANTS to do things that make us happy and I couldn't ask for better traits.

I suppose if you aren't smarter than the dog you will have to resort to hitting the dog to get it to cooperate. If you are at least as smart as the dog you can find a way to bring out the behaviors you want. Honestly though, if you aren't smarter than the dog, aren't you both better off without each other?
 
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That's what we work to is never needing a leash ever with your dog.:rolleyes: I'm working on that with sly right now. When he yells something to get the dogs to break her dog might break. that's when he needs a correction. The dog is doing "stranger danger" training right now. And yeah her dog breaks when he says something like "Free doggies". The dog gets a correction because he is supposed to listen only to her.

And yeah all those titles mean nothing. The dogs compete in a ring with very little distractions. there's dogs and people on the outside of the ring and others on the inside when they do sit and down-stays, but other than that no distractions.


I love school. I'm in honor classes, when i was little my mom made me do my homework as soon as i got home. i hated it. She was teaching me to dicipline myself, but now i reap all that. Same with a dog. It won't like a correction, but in the end it gets praised for what it does right and will learn more.
 

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I love school. I'm in honor classes, when i was little my mom made me do my homework as soon as i got home. i hated it. She was teaching me to dicipline myself, but now i reap all that. Same with a dog. It won't like a correction, but in the end it gets praised for what it does right and will learn more.
Did your mom beat you with a stick if you didn't do your homework? Just wondering....because if she did, that's illegal where I come from, not to mention mean, evil and stupid, the same as hitting a dog with a stick.
 

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That's what we work to is never needing a leash ever with your dog.:rolleyes: I'm working on that with sly right now. When he yells something to get the dogs to break her dog might break. that's when he needs a correction. The dog is doing "stranger danger" training right now. And yeah her dog breaks when he says something like "Free doggies". The dog gets a correction because he is supposed to listen only to her.
Mine do that too (no beating)

And yeah all those titles mean nothing. The dogs compete in a ring with very little distractions. there's dogs and people on the outside of the ring and others on the inside when they do sit and down-stays, but other than that no distractions.
Really? How many agility trials have you been to? The classes on that site seem much less distracting than a trial. You really need to get out more. Oh and when training we roll balls, throw food, remote controlled thingys with real rabbit fur strips flitting around, and even a remote controlled hover craft thing...no beating, lots of staying put.


I love school. I'm in honor classes, when i was little my mom made me do my homework as soon as i got home. i hated it. She was teaching me to dicipline myself, but now i reap all that. Same with a dog. It won't like a correction, but in the end it gets praised for what it does right and will learn more.
Any blood? Bruises? What happened if you didn't do your homework? My dogs have to listen too. So does my child, doesn't mean I hit them.
 
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that's the thinking is wrong with the world. some kids should have had their butts kicked a long time ago.
 
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there's no blood and brusies at our practices and we use guns, megaphones with sirens, firecrackers, and other dogs and objects. They light fires in metal barrels so we have smoke.

And i do get out enough. thank you very much. agility might have more distractions, but i was talking about obedience. even then its not distracting enough.
 

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