Baby & dog video...thoughts?

[JessLough]

My point is you DONT KNOW this by just seeing them out in public. You dont know the issues causing the behavior you are seeing.

You so silly. She knows all!



I saw nothing wrong with this video. Rosey LOVED singing along with certain songs. She also "Sang along" when I was practicing instruments.

 

[Laurelin]

I don't think MOST kids are horribly behaved. Most kids I know are good kids. Of course there are a few I am around that are horrible and whose parents IMO need to stand up and discipline more. But most kids... Nah they're just kids.

 

[Dogdragoness]

I agree it is the parents who need to be held accountable, not the children. No more then one should blame an unruly dog for its behavior, the parents are who I direct my disappointment to, not the children. Same as a dog owner with a rude or unruly dog, I look at them & shake my head because I feel bad for the dog / child really, who is an innocent party & will ultimately end up suffering because of it.

 

[Dizzy]

I just found the baby noise annoying.

 

[Red Chrome]

Haha. I "torture" my dogs much worse than the baby in this video. I grab their tails, their faces, slap their sides, take their toys, chew bones etc. My dogs are never stressed during these things. It has made them so my 2 nephews who are 2 and 3 can do anything to them, they come over, take their toys, play with them, play fetch with them etc. These are dogs that don't even live with kids.

This video is cute and fun. No harm done to baby or dog.

 

[Dogdragoness]

It all comes down to a matter of opinion, just like some people think its cruel for me to leave my dogs outside during the day & bring them in at night, I think it is (in some situations) think its cruel to expect a dog to deal with getting their possessions taken by a small human.

I can also do all these things to my dogs but ... its ME the person who raised them & feeds them, they TRUST me. Izze would also let me do all those things to her (take her toys, grab her tail, pull her ears ... etc) but someone else doing that would have resulted in a serious bite.

 

[Greenmagick]

You still havent explained how any of this pertains to the video we were discussing.....

I can also do all these things to my dogs but ... its ME the person who raised them & feeds them, they TRUST me. Izze would also let me do all those things to her (take her toys, grab her tail, pull her ears ... etc) but someone else doing that would have resulted in a serious bite.

When dogs LIVE with children, they help raise them, they help feed them, they help train them. The dogs trust the members of their family which INCLUDE the children.

 

[Dogdragoness]

You still havent explained how any of this pertains to the video we were discussing.....



When dogs LIVE with children, they help raise them, they help feed them, they help train them. The dogs trust the members of their family which INCLUDE the children.

If the parents are responsible dog owners, yes.

this originally started because I expressed concern about once the child starts crawling & walking & really chasing after the dog, the parents think the dog's discomfort is cute now, I am concerned if they will intervene when the dog is really uncomfortable with the child in the future.

 

[Greenmagick]

this originally started because I expressed concern about once the child starts crawling & walking & really chasing after the dog, the parents think the dog's discomfort is cute now, I am concerned if they will intervene when the dog is really uncomfortable with the child in the future.

And my point was nothing in this video leads to this conclusion being likely.

The dog was not clearly showing discomfort about the baby so this conclusion is not logical.

 

[Southpaw]

think its cruel to expect a dog to deal with getting their possessions taken by a small human. .

I don't really think I'm asking for very much, just because I expect my dogs to not fly off the handle if a kid reaches for a toy that the dog has.

In the video though. The baby is merely sitting near the dog, making noise. I make obnoxious noises at my dogs, too. If you want to make assumptions based on this video, you should assume the parents are doing something right, because like others pointed out - baby doesn't even touch the dog.

Again, I see nothing to indicate that this is an uncomfortable dog who needs to be saved.

 

[Saintgirl]

Hmm, I only watched the first half of the video because the husky 'wooing' made my own huskyX start talking! These dogs are super vocal, if I make any silly noises directed towards Abbey she starts up. Whenever a client comes into my shop and even says hello to her she lets the wooing begin! I have seen videos and pictures of dogs that make my skin crawl but this certainly isn't one of them.

 

[Red Chrome]

It all comes down to a matter of opinion, just like some people think its cruel for me to leave my dogs outside during the day & bring them in at night, I think it is (in some situations) think its cruel to expect a dog to deal with getting their possessions taken by a small human.

I can also do all these things to my dogs but ... its ME the person who raised them & feeds them, they TRUST me. Izze would also let me do all those things to her (take her toys, grab her tail, pull her ears ... etc) but someone else doing that would have resulted in a serious bite.

I expect my dogs to tolerate things being taken from them by any kid, related or not. I will not have a dog that views small children as threats. My dogs tolerate because I told them too, period, end of it.

 

[Laurelin]

I have a non child friendly dog. I dont think her temperament in that regard is great. I'd rather have a Summer who loves kids and I have no idea if its even possible to push her to bite anyone ever. But since Mia isn't find of kids we just take care around them. Supervise. The kids know Mia doesn't like them and they do really pretty good for a 5 year old and a 2 year old understanding not to mess with her. Of course it is up to me to really supervise her since she's my dog. The kids are just being kids an sometimes they're loud and a bit wild. It's not their fault my dog isn't as tolerant as she should be.

At any rate I think most kid/household dog relationships go very well. Most people I know with kids have dogs and most kids I knew growing up had dogs too. I can't imagine growing up without the family dogs.

 

[HayleyMarie]

I expect my dogs to be respectful of children and interact with them properly. One of the reasons I heavily socialized my dogs with children. I do plan on having children in the next five years after all.

DD- If one of your dogs is scared of gunfire, thunder and loud noises, why don't you work on positive conditioning to gunfire and other loud noises.

I was raised with "tough" farm dogs. I assure you the term "nanny dog" was used with these dogs I was raised with. They where practically our babysitters when my brother and I would go wandering our land and playing outside. We where taught at a young age to respect the dogs. And my parents back then where just you average joe schmo dog owners.

I can assure you "tough" farm dogs can handle being around children.

 

[noludoru]

What I'm REALLY trying to get at is that I think your life would be less stressful if you stayed away from kids since you hate them so much... including kid related threads.

I love you.

I didn't get this impression at all - I would think that if the dog were really that stressed out it would be curled into a corner somewhere or looking for an exit. I know that's where I find my dogs when they're freaked out. I'm referencing Murph again because he's the only talky dog I have, but he would go crazy howling if he heard that kid. I bet he'd go crazy just over the video lol. And at the end of the video where the dog backs up and starts barking? That looked like demand barking.

I'd also like to point out that they've probably had that dog since the baby was born (kid was probably...8 months old?) and I'm sure the dog is pretty well immune to random kid noises. My dogs got over the baby crying after a couple weeks, even Murphy who HATES shrieking noises will now stay in the room and just look bored if the baby is melting down. Dogs are waaaaay more adaptable than we give them credit for.

Agreed.

And I just want to amend my post in case I wasn't clear - while I do think the dog looks anxious, I don't think the kid is in any danger and I don't think they should be separated. The dog has an escape route if he gets overwhelmed, and the baby is very polite and respectful of the dog's space. The only time I even thought I saw misbehavior was when it looked like the baby was going for the dog's tail.

I just feel bad for the dog, as my take on it is that he looks stressed and want the parents to shut him up. I obviously could be very wrong here and my opinion on the noises that kid was making could be coloring my opinion - I'm not a behaviorist.

Haha. I "torture" my dogs much worse than the baby in this video. I grab their tails, their faces, slap their sides, take their toys, chew bones etc.

Also, this. I clipped Middie's nails yesterday. He looked way unhappier than the husky when I was doing that.

What I'm getting at here is, yes, I think the dog looks mildly stressed and possibly annoyed by the kid's screeching - but it appears to be a pretty safe situation with an otherwise polite kid. The dog has an escape route and isn't showing any indications of wanting to bite or feeling pressured into a bite, so I wouldn't say it's dangerous. I've personally done things to my dog that make him look more stressed than that.

 

[DJEtzel]

Huh, see it's interesting, because I don't see a particularly irritated or stressed dog. I couldn't tell you if the dog was singing along with the baby "talking" or if he was just trying to get the kid to be quiet, but I don't think that any animals were being "tortured" nor do I see an issue with the parents filming the situation. Normally, I see a video like this posted and it does aggravate me, but this one actually made me chuckle.

"Best friends?" Doubtful. But I only saw about three lip licks and a few head tilts that made me think the dog was maybe telling the baby to shut up ir wishing that the parents would make the baby be quiet. The baby wasn't climbing all over the dog, the dog wasn't stuck in the situation, and the dog looked at most just a bit exasperated... I don't see this as any worse than when we put our dogs in silly costumes or make them balance objects on their heads or noses. It might not be their favorite thing in the world, but it's not torture.

I see nothing wrong. I was actually impressed by the restraint the baby hand.

I agree with this. I didn't see anything wrong. The dog was being quirky, the baby was making normal baby noises, neither touched each other and the dog could have left at any time. A few calming/stress signals, possibly... but I think we tend to overreact whenever we see one in this sort of situation. Sometimes, dogs just pin their ears back and lick their lips. Frag walks around and snoozes with his ears pinned back all the time and I'm sure he's not stressed the majority of the time he's trying to sleep.

And the amazing part about dogs is they can handle some stress and survive. I know it's impossible for humans but... no... wait... :rofl1:

:rofl1:

I am involved in rescue, so yes I suppose I am a tad bit cynical.

Since when are you involved in rescue? There are a ton of us here who are... I've been working in rescue and volunteering for almost 4 years and have no objection with this video.

Lock him? Lol our doors don't even have locks. Besides what good would bringin him in do? He would be in here by himself without the other dogs (since its day time & they wouldn't want to come in), which he likes. Also it wouldnt lessen the sound of the storm, the thunder sometimes shakes the entire house, which frightens him more then if he were outside. Also he will still take food, he doesn't shake, drool or vomit.

Also it is dove season, so we have shots popping off all over the area here & he is also uncomfortable with gunfire, should I bring him in every time I hear a shot?

My dogs stay outside during the day & come in at night or if no one is home. They are tough country dogs & i have a fenced yard, I dont have to worry about some of the things one has to worry about in the city, plus I am outside (when the weather allows it) over half the day WITH them anyway.

The dog is locked outside if he cannot open the door to get in. /facepalm

Brining them in and not keeping them out there when they are afraid would lower their threshold so that behavior modification could be possible, to get them over their fear instead of encouraging it and laughing at there distress. This is common dog sense 101, honestly.

You don't even have a secure yard to lock them up IN. I wouldn't be bashing other people who are being a lot more responsible with their dogs than you.

I just don't believe they should have to, the "pressures" you speak of that my dogs deal with are not physical they are not being sat on, their tails aren't being pulled & they are not having toys/ food taken from them.

I am not saying they CAN'T learn how to live with children, I am saying that WAY too many people don't police the child, or protect their dog (I am referencing "general" dog owners mind you).

It doesn't matter if the stress is physical or not. It is stress, measured the same way to the dog, either way. Frag reacts to thunderstorms like Recon does to kids- same level of stress, shown in the same way. It is torture for you to put your thunder phobic dog out in a storm, much worse and cruel torture than this kid and dog in the video (did you watch that at all, btw?).

The sad thing is that many of the general average dog owner don't put that much effort into creating a safe & enriching environment for all.

I am just afraid that this video will encourage the wrong kind of behavior

This video, of a child who was obviously taught RIGHT away to act proper around dogs, with a dog wooing at her that could leave at any time and is not in distress? That video? That one's encouraging the wrong kind of behavior?

It's too early for this crap.

 

[Dogdragoness]

I agree with this. I didn't see anything wrong. The dog was being quirky, the baby was making normal baby noises, neither touched each other and the dog could have left at any time. A few calming/stress signals, possibly... but I think we tend to overreact whenever we see one in this sort of situation. Sometimes, dogs just pin their ears back and lick their lips. Frag walks around and snoozes with his ears pinned back all the time and I'm sure he's not stressed the majority of the time he's trying to sleep.



:rofl1:



Since when are you involved in rescue? There are a ton of us here who are... I've been working in rescue and volunteering for almost 4 years and have no objection with this video.



The dog is locked outside if he cannot open the door to get in. /facepalm

Brining them in and not keeping them out there when they are afraid would lower their threshold so that behavior modification could be possible, to get them over their fear instead of encouraging it and laughing at there distress. This is common dog sense 101, honestly.

You don't even have a secure yard to lock them up IN. I wouldn't be bashing other people who are being a lot more responsible with their dogs than you.



It doesn't matter if the stress is physical or not. It is stress, measured the same way to the dog, either way. Frag reacts to thunderstorms like Recon does to kids- same level of stress, shown in the same way. It is torture for you to put your thunder phobic dog out in a storm, much worse and cruel torture than this kid and dog in the video (did you watch that at all, btw?).




This video, of a child who was obviously taught RIGHT away to act proper around dogs, with a dog wooing at her that could leave at any time and is not in distress? That video? That one's encouraging the wrong kind of behavior?

It's too early for this crap.

That's funny because his coping with his fears & his tolorsnce threshold has gotten BETTER since he has been with us, as has his REACTIVITY to thunder & gunfire. He is not an extreme case as far as fear goes so flooding works for him. When I would bring him IN during storms he got WORSE, inside he shakes & pants, when he is left outside he just lays on the porch & goes to sleep.

I am very involved in rescue, I have fostered a few dogs for the local pounds & shelters here, adopted or taken in all but two of my dogs (both of which were from responsible breeders). ONE of your dogs is from rescue, the other is from a BYB, I don't think you are in a position to judge me on how I treat my dogs. Especially since you have never & probably will neve meet me in person.

But I have seen that you like to take a very high & mighty attitude when you don't agree with how someone does things, even though you don't know the dog(s) involved. Buddy is not Frag, or Recon.

 

[DJEtzel]

That's funny because his coping with his fears & his tolorsnce threshold has gotten BETTER since he has been with us, as has his REACTIVITY to thunder & gunfire. He is not an extreme case as far as fear goes so flooding works for him. When I would bring him IN during storms he got WORSE, inside he shakes & pants, when he is left outside he just lays on the porch & goes to sleep.

I am very involved in rescue, I have fostered a few dogs for the local pounds & shelters here, adopted or taken in all but two of my dogs (both of which were from responsible breeders). ONE of your dogs is from rescue, the other is from a BYB, I don't think you are in a position to judge me on how I treat my dogs. Especially since you have never & probably will neve meet me in person.

But I have seen that you like to take a very high & mighty attitude when you don't agree with how someone does things, even though you don't know the dog(s) involved. Buddy is not Frag, or Recon.

I have also fostered over 20 dogs and worked in rescues for years.

I'm not being high and mightly, I'm judging you just as harshly as you are judging other people that YOU haven't met. Don't like it when it happens to you, huh?

 

[Dogdragoness]

I have also fostered over 20 dogs and worked in rescues for years.

I'm not being high and mightly, I'm judging you just as harshly as you are judging other people that YOU haven't met. Don't like it when it happens to you, huh?

I really could care less but am plenty prepared to defend myself if need be. I am cynical & plenty used to nasty treatment because of it.

That is what is wrong with society today .... We are so afraid of offending people & no one wants to "rock the boat". I am not one of those people.

What I also think is interesting is how my treatment of MY dogs came into play here.

 

[ihartgonzo]

I love you.

Me too!

Lmao, I was just going to say, DD: you seem to have a general distaste for children. I don't think it's the video that irks you, it's that eeeevilllll conniving baby!

I've been involved with rescue for over a decade... I hear a lot of excuses. "We're moving" is used 10x more than "We have a kid/Dog doesn't like kid". That doesn't mean I cringe at the sight of some one moving. -__- MUCH more often than not, a kid is a dog's best friend! The kid is the one who walks, plays with and cuddles a dog who the parents mostly ignore. I was definitely that kid. You used to be a kid, too, you know!

The treatment of your dogs was brought up because you call that video stressful for the dog. This dog clearly isn't afraid or being forced to stay by the baby, she's choosing to! Forcing a dog to stay out in a thunder storm and "flooding" them is inducing stress. I'm not saying that's cruel, but by your own standards, it is cruel to put a dog through stress. Kinda hypocritical, no?