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Melissa_W said:
That's interesting Dr2... People always seem to stress cardio... But the thinnest I ever was was when I was on a really strict diet while on a weight training routine at the same time. My crazy ex boyfriend got me on it. He liked his ladies to be really thin. :rolleyes:
Cardio's great for you, keeps your ticker and lungs healthy and you do burn calories while your actually doing the activity and for a short time afterwards as well.
With weight training, you really are changing your body composition. Your adding lean tissue which is harder to maintain so requires more energy(calories) even at rest. As far as the skinny thing...I've never perscribed a diet for anyone. I don't really believe in dieting but rather eating for life and treating your body with respect. I've seen too many youngsters with twisted body images and skinny just seems unhealthy to me.
 

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Cardio's great for you, keeps your ticker and lungs healthy and you do burn calories while your actually doing the activity and for a short time afterwards as well.
With weight training, you really are changing your body composition. Your adding lean tissue which is harder to maintain so requires more energy(calories) even at rest. As far as the skinny thing...I've never perscribed a diet for anyone. I don't really believe in dieting but rather eating for life and treating your body with respect. I've seen too many youngsters with twisted body images and skinny just seems unhealthy to me.
Oh I agree! I try to eat healthy, whole foods and stay away from sugar and things that are highly processed. Other than that, I don't fuss too much. I'm about 10lbs heavier than I was then, but much happier. I have a lot more free time when I'm not worrying so much about my weight. :)
 
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Sit-ups and lunges are not going to work if you dont do cardio. Weight training wont work either, because that is for building muscle, not for burning fat.

You can do any amount of cardio, and it wont work if your diet is horrible.
 
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Sit-ups and lunges are not going to work if you dont do cardio. Weight training wont work either, because that is for building muscle, not for burning fat.

You can do any amount of cardio, and it wont work if your diet is horrible.
Weight training is exactly what is needed to burn fat. Cardio's great but will only get you so far, much less effective for fat loss than adding muscle...
I don't think that anyone piece of the puzzle should be missing but if someone wanted to loose body fat and I could only perscribe 2 of the 3 components, (cardio, weights, nutrition), dropping the cardio would be the most effective.
Nutrition is number 1, weight training second and third..cardio.
 

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Lifting heavy is essential to weight loss. Muscle burns more cals than fat every hour of every day. At first you may gain weight, but that weight is increased muscle mass. That's good. The fat will burn off, leaving the muscle behind.

As far as cardio goes, you don't have do to long drawn out sessions of it to get results. HIIT 3 - 4 times a week is excellent. It's very hard, but it lasts about 20 minutes. I did this last night and my abs are sore! But I like soreness :D HIIT forces you to use your whole body, not just your lower half.

A clean and healthy diet is 80% of weight control. Don't blow a great workout by going to Arby's or McD's. A cheat day once a week will keep you sane.
 

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well as a fitness person you should know that nutrition is there to keep the levels of needed nutrients in your body, The cardio is to tone body shape and lose weight and the weights are to strengthen muscles and increase muscle mass, getting rid of cardio would just make things ALOT harder
 
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well as a fitness person you should know that nutrition is there to keep the levels of needed nutrients in your body, The cardio is to tone body shape and lose weight and the weights are to strengthen muscles and increase muscle mass, getting rid of cardio would just make things ALOT harder
I'm not sure if this was addressed to me or not but if it was..my post clearly states that all of the components should be included but if weight loss is the most important goal, weight training gets you there faster. Cardio does very little for tone and shape if done properly..cross training. for cardio to change body shape it would have to be sport specific. Cardio is extremely important for attaining and maintaining a healthy heart and lungs, and yes it does burn calories but not as many at rest or throughout the whole day as a body with higher % of lean tissue (muscle mass) will.
As far as nutrition...what else would it be for other than to nourish your body?..not sure what you meant.
Increased muscle mass makes for a more efficient calorie burning carcas!!:D
 

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I have to agree with doc and anyone else who said that weight training helps you lose weight. You keep burning calories long after you finish your workout.
 
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I'm affraid there's still no way to spot reduce. You can train your abs till the cows come home but if you're carrying a little extra in that area, you'll never really "see" the results of your hard work.
Rats!!! (LOL)
The best thing to do would be to track your food intake and see what you're actually doing. While I don't practice anymore (sold my company in 2004), I owned The Body Counsel Inc. for over 20 years and would be happy to set you up with a nutrition/fitness program. And yes, I am nationally certified...not just a hack who trains my friends..;) just in case you thought...yikes:eek: what does she know???
What should I be looking for from a nutritional stand-point? Right now, the hour or so in the gym is about 1/4 to 1/2 cardio and the remaining time is spent with weights and some 'core' exercises. Keep in mind, I'm not worried about weight - I'm looking more at my overall shape and am looking to improve that.
One great site that is free and a great way to track your progress is www.fitday.com
Anyway, you can PM me if you want.
Very cool link. The grim reality of the pizza I had last night though......:eek:
 
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not only does 2little know dogs, she knows fitness as well. strenghth training with weights is far and away better at getting rid of fat than cardio. It creats a deficit in the muscles that keeps your metabolism going for hours and hours, 8 or more after you're done working out. Cardio goes about 20 min or so after and its back to normal.

Weight training also creates more lean muscle that takes more energy to maintain than fat so just sitting there in shape burns more calories. You don't get that benefit from cardio. Also doing too much cardio will start to break down your lean muscle mass leaving you with less lean body mass to burn calories with.

Isolated exercises aren't that good for this though. WHole multi jointed movements are key and using the major muscle groups. For example instead of doing leg extensions you would do squats that involve you ankle, knee and hip joints, whereas extensions only work thru the knee joint. We never do isolated movements in real life anyway so i fail to see the point in those anyway unless you're a body builder.

So big exercises like squats, lunges, push ups, one arm push ups, chins, deadlifts, etc are the way to go. If you want for 60 bucks you can buy everything you need to get a killer workout at home with nothing but some simple equipment and your body. Its work that's for sure, but you'll never lose weight if you don't, well not if you don't care about your health in the long run. Cocaine will get you to lose weight too i guess.
 
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From an ex-gymnast...

The best stomach strengthing (thus reducing) exercise was/is this:

Lay down flat on your back with your arms reaching over your head with your hands holding onto something secure. Stretch your legs out straight and point your toes. While holding on (to something secure), raise your legs up together in unison from your pointed toes, ankeles, down through your knees and thighs keeping them in perfect alignment. Bring them up until they're at a 90 degree angle with the floor. Then lower them again but don't let your heels touch. Do this in repitious cycles quickly until your gut can't take it any more. It works ALL the abs. And if Julie wants a bit of the action, she could straddle you (her standing up) with you using her as the anchor, and every time your feet come up she SHOVES them back causing more resistance. It really works!!! Just don't let you heels touch the ground! You'll be sore as **** to begin with, but that means it's working! And you can slowly work into more reps! :D
 

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EliNHunter said:
The best stomach strengthing (thus reducing) exercise was/is this:

Lay down flat on your back with your arms reaching over your head with your hands holding onto something secure. Stretch your legs out straight and point your toes. While holding on (to something secure), raise your legs up together in unison from your pointed toes, ankeles, down through your knees and thighs keeping them in perfect alignment. Bring them up until they're at a 90 degree angle with the floor. Then lower them again but don't let your heels touch. Do this in repitious cycles quickly until your gut can't take it any more. It works ALL the abs. And if Julie wants a bit of the action, she could straddle you (her standing up) with you using her as the anchor, and every time your feet come up she SHOVES them back causing more resistance. It really works!!! Just don't let you heels touch the ground! You'll be sore as **** to begin with, but that means it's working! And you can slowly work into more reps! :D
Sounds like fun. Which Julie should straddle him? lol
 
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EliNHunter said:
The best stomach strengthing (thus reducing) exercise was/is this:

Lay down flat on your back with your arms reaching over your head with your hands holding onto something secure. Stretch your legs out straight and point your toes. While holding on (to something secure), raise your legs up together in unison from your pointed toes, ankeles, down through your knees and thighs keeping them in perfect alignment. Bring them up until they're at a 90 degree angle with the floor. Then lower them again but don't let your heels touch. Do this in repitious cycles quickly until your gut can't take it any more. It works ALL the abs. And if Julie wants a bit of the action, she could straddle you (her standing up) with you using her as the anchor, and every time your feet come up she SHOVES them back causing more resistance. It really works!!! Just don't let you heels touch the ground! You'll be sore as **** to begin with, but that means it's working! And you can slowly work into more reps! :D
Awesome! Thank you very much! :)
 
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That will work, EliN . . . just make sure your knees are slightly bent and keep in mind that particular exercise can do a real number on your lower back. If you've got any back issues, stay away from it.

AND . . . as usual, Doc is soooooo right . . . .
 
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EliNHunter said:
The best stomach strengthing (thus reducing) exercise was/is this:

Lay down flat on your back with your arms reaching over your head with your hands holding onto something secure. Stretch your legs out straight and point your toes. While holding on (to something secure), raise your legs up together in unison from your pointed toes, ankeles, down through your knees and thighs keeping them in perfect alignment. Bring them up until they're at a 90 degree angle with the floor. Then lower them again but don't let your heels touch. Do this in repitious cycles quickly until your gut can't take it any more. It works ALL the abs. And if Julie wants a bit of the action, she could straddle you (her standing up) with you using her as the anchor, and every time your feet come up she SHOVES them back causing more resistance. It really works!!! Just don't let you heels touch the ground! You'll be sore as **** to begin with, but that means it's working! And you can slowly work into more reps! :D
I don't know what to say without offending but this is a very dangerous thing to do to your back. Your hip flexors can easily be torn doing this as they take most of the strain. Hip flexors attach to the femur (thigh bone) loop through the pelvis and attach to the low back. The movement required from that postural muscle in order to do this exercise ...especially with the leg throw down leaves your low back extremely vulnerable to injury.
You really don't need to do anything this extreme in order to properly work your abdominals. The most important thing to do while training abs is to make sure that you don't allow your abs to pop out when you contract them. Practice pulling them in and down (turn sideways to a mirror and pull your abs in without sucking in your breath), that's how they should be prior to any repetitions of any abdominal exercise.
I know that this exercise is still done in lots of gyms but if your "trainer" showed you these...fire him/her.:eek:
 
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Rats!!! (LOL)

What should I be looking for from a nutritional stand-point? Right now, the hour or so in the gym is about 1/4 to 1/2 cardio and the remaining time is spent with weights and some 'core' exercises. Keep in mind, I'm not worried about weight - I'm looking more at my overall shape and am looking to improve that.

Very cool link. The grim reality of the pizza I had last night though......:eek:
It's best to warm up properly doing some sort of cardio...but just to warm up. Save the actual cardio for after your weights, you'll need your umph for weights to do your best work. I also always do one longer light set too, so that I can warm up with a mimic set and put the muscles through a full range before I go on to the real stuff. It is extremely important to lengthen your muscles between EACH set as well so spend the 30-90 seconds stretching. As far as exercises, how many days/week do you train now? How do you train..superset, full sets, pyramid....and what exercises on what days?
As far as nutrition goes, if you track your intake I can look at it for you and give you some hints..I'll need some specifics though like (height, weight, BMI would be great, age, health issues, dietary restrictions......credit card number, combination to your safe, social security number...and where you and Julie keep your spare house key when you're on vacation...stuff like that...:D :D ;)
 
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Renee750il said:
Heheheh . . . Doc . . . .



I'll bet Andrew's wife, Lorri would be really interested to know that too :D
OMG...who the he!! is Julie then??? My face is so red my dogs are running for cover...sorry Lori, but I'll still need to know the location of that key!!!;) :eek:
 

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