Anyone tried new Iams Savory Sauce

Gustav

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Oh well there you go, she'll be pleased!
I get Gus, Royal Canin, don't know if it's any good ingrediant wise, but it's the most expensive food you can buy here, It smells good, and Gus seems to like it!
 

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Iams and Eukanuba are extreamly high quality how do i know? cause my friend works in there factory and the stuff that goes into that food is very high quality stuff.
okay, then why don't you explain to us why byproducts and food fractions of products manufactured for the human market are of better quality, higher nutritional value and healthier than whole ingredients?

do you know what the "stuff" that goes into the food actually is, what it does and why it is in the product?

why would you want more grain and grain byproducts in a food for a carnivorous animal than meats?

do you know that generic "fish meal" produced for animal feed is always preserved with ethoxyquin due to US coast guard regulations and that the manufacturer does not have to declare it because it was present in the product already when they bought it?

do you know if the grains used in iams and eukanuba are USDA graded and fit for human consumption, or are they feed grade due to contamination? are they tested for pesticide residue, and if so, what are the test results?

do you know if the meats used are USDA graded and fit for human consumption? because if they aren't, they have to be denatured to prevent them from re-enering the human food chain - and this denaturing process is generally done by dousing the meats with chemicals. for more facts, please read the Federal Meat Inspection Act, especially section 641 and 644.

and just a little advice from me to you, don't be so hasty to call people idiots and claim they learned all they know from web sources. i have been researching pet food for the past 4 years and i can tell you there is more wrong than correct information floating around on the internet, which is the reason why i created my site.

i can tell you that my work is based on sources that are a little more credible than the opinions of a "friend" too. what kind of training does your friend have in the field of animal nutrition? what position does he hold at the company? is he directly involved in the decision making process? if you ask him, can he tell you straightforward where the meat and grains come from, and what kind of testing is done? i'd be interested to hear about it. :)
 

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Lol! I'm confused! :confused: Went to Mordy's site, thought it was about time I really found out what I was giving Gus to eat, Was worried to do this before as I can't get anything better here and if I knew it was not good for him what would I do?!!!! I wouldn't be able to continue to give it to him as my guilt wouldn't allow it!
But I just don't know if it's any good or not! Find it tricky to decipher! :)
 
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I havent seen the cows my dinner came from either...

Was the food actually ever linked to the cancer i guess not or you would of sued... What makes you think it was down to purina?
I have seen where the cows you eat for your dinner came from. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place. I know what's injected and fed into those cows you eat. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place.

And I am tickled pink - magenta even - that my dogs aren't eating the scrofulous, tainted, chemical ridden scraps that go into most commercial dog food.
 

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Talk to Mordy. She's the best person and very helpful. :D I adore Mordy and all the help she's given. You could join her site and talk to her directly there. That's what I did. I bug her all the time. :)
 

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I have seen where the cows you eat for your dinner came from. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place. I know what's injected and fed into those cows you eat. I'm real happy mine don't come from the same place.

And I am tickled pink - magenta even - that my dogs aren't eating the scrofulous, tainted, chemical ridden scraps that go into most commercial dog food.
That's one reason that I'm a vegetarian. Another is how the slaughter animals. :( And then there is the gross factor. As in EW MEAT GROSS. LOL
 

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Sorry for the way I acted before, I don't know why I got so defensive. I don't think ill be switching off of IAMS it anytime soon, because my mom (im only 15) is convinced IAMS is the best, and would find it stupid to switch, so im going to have to do a lot of reserch, then bring it up. Ill let you guys know how it turns out later. I still think IAMS is good quality (generic brand) dog food, but the ones you discribed do sound a lot better for my, and anyones, dogs. Only the best for our doggies, right? :)
 

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No worries, BagelDog. I'm glad you are looking into. That really shows that you care and want to make the best decisions. I really understand what it's like to try and teach your parents anything. My mom started feeding Iams. Her cats are obese and their hair is greasy. Oscar just had to have several teeth removed but she can't imagine why. She never fed soft cat food. :rolleyes: She was feeding a slightly better brand before I think. They get tired of listening to me though. And it's only worse when you still live at home!

When you're ready, and only if you're interested, I'm sure that many of us would be willing to help make a clear, easy-to-understand list that you could show your parents.

Have I mentioned how adorable your pics are. :) They are some of my favourites. :)
 

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Lol. Thank you. My little Bagel is very cute, but even more so in person because he's got white fuzzy fur sticking out of the fur on his head, which is very cute.

Yeah, 2 of our dog Gingers teeth had to be pulled, and her mouth is very sensative which makes us think more need to come out. And all my dogs breath smells TERRIBLE from the food. I may ask for a list a little later, but first Im going to look into the foods.

By the way, what is the best one of those dog foods I can look into? Are they for sale at regular pet stores? Are they very expensive?

Thanks!
 

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Ok. This is going to be WAY to simple but most people agree that Innova EVO is pretty much the best dog food out there for many reasons. Off the top of my head I know it doesn't contain any grains and it the way it is cooked perserves the nutrients. You know how heat kills nutrients? Well, they have a way of cooking the food at lower temperatures. I believe that is correct. Help me if I'm wrong Mordy. This food is the closest one to how dogs would eat in the wild.

It is more expensive than Iams but it is not THE most expensive. Also, and this important money-wise, your dog will not need to eat as much of it. Plus, you have money on vet bills, your dog is not as gassy or smelly in general...

Here are some of the places in Texas that supply NaturaPet foods (Innova). http://www.naturapet.com/display.ph...try=USA&state=TX&phone=&city=&name=&x=17&y=13 I don't know your city but you can look it up on that site.

Please ask as many questions as you want.
 

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Yeah, my friends dad own Cat Connection, which carries it. I just told my mom we needed to switch dog foods, cause IAMS stinks, and she said no it doesnt. Shes going to be harder to convince that I first though.
 

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i'll be happy to answer any questions anyone may have, just bear with me being a little slow at times catching up on posts and PMs.

the fastest way to get a reply is indeed through the forum on my site, either post or PM me. it's monitored regularly.

but i do come over here to read as well.

bagel dog, glad you are taking the openminded approach. :) i am sure you will find the research interesting and worthwhile.

meanwhile, if you need a food that is of good quality and not all that expensive, look for canidae. the 20lb bags cost around $20 and 40lb bags around $35.
 

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:) smooches to your pooches bageldog..im 40 and just learning lots of things..it is always good to keep and open mind..glad about your last post
 
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You're a bigger person than I was at 15, Bagel. I don't know that a herd of wild elephants could've dragged an apology out of me! We all learn every day. You're good for looking at things with an open mind.

If you all don't mind me hijacking the thread for a moment, I'm very broken up over this and I need to borrow Mordy. :)

My cat has cystitis (AGAIN!) and my vet--who is awful--keeps yelling at me for feeding raw. He's finally guilted me into going onto the prescription diet, then switching to the uretic Wysong formula. I hate, hate, hate, hate not knowing exactly what's going into my cat (all of my pets eat a home prepared raw diet). But another vet told me a lot of male cats just have a genetic predisposition to cystitis and that feeding him cooked crap (don't get me wrong, I like Wysong, I just would rather make the food myself and I haven't fed a cooked diet in so long...) won't make a big difference. Do you have thoughts? And what does a "low ash content" indicate? Why the heck is there ash in my cat food at all? Ash of what? :confused:
 

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i admit i don't know as much about cats as i know about dogs (even tho i live with 5 furry feline terrorists :D ) - but in my opinion the commercial food isn't going to make all that much of a difference.

IMHO there is nothing in a commercial food that you can't reproduce somehow in a home prepared diet. the sad thing is that most vets don't have much of a clue when it comes to nutrition, other than recommending the commercial stuff they are familiar with.

could you possibly consult a holistic vet?

i've had some issues with one of my boys recently when i switched the kitty pack from regular innova cat food to half regular and half lite (two of the females need to lose weight and there is no way i can separate them for meals). my suspicion that his urine was not acidic enough from the higher carb food turned out to be correct, as his issues disappeared a few days after cutting out the lite food.

if your cat already eats raw, you are at a huge advantage - mine will accept raw things as a snack but still demand kibble twice a day. i've been feeding them innova evo (yeah - dog food lol) for about 6 weeks now because it only has 12% carbs and they have been doing well. i can't wait until the evo for cats finally hits the shelves. that will make things so much easier for me. :)
 

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