Anyone tried new Iams Savory Sauce

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I havent seen the cows my dinner came from either...

Was the food actually ever linked to the cancer i guess not or you would of sued... What makes you think it was down to purina?
 

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that is why we worry is it not? Don't know for sure..but if he was prone that direction...it wasn't good to help it along. I do know much more about cancer causing agents since i read everything written when i we found out my Jim had cancer. I am very grateful that i quit smoking a decade ago. I think if they put a picture of the shunt that delivers the cancer drug to you after all your veins can't take it anymore and pasted it on the pack of cigs..more people would quit. jim had a history of famiy cancer too..and he ignored that and ate what he wanted and smoked for a long time.
I wish you could have seen how healthy bronki was..from the very beginning.If it could take a strong big man like Jim, and a lush healthy dog like Bronki..there has to be a way to help fight it! I have read many post about people that like me lost their dogs to cancer..lymphoma (sp?) and other types as well that have researched and found links to food and rawhides. i was absolutley horrified when i read what they found out. Now i am trying to do better.

i am not much better about what goes in me..my nutrition basically comes from a the vitimin tablet. i am trying to learn better. My life span has been long enough for me to enjoy my prime...but Bronki was just starting out!! I will read more and try to do the best i can for Victor.Especially since he is as young as he is!
 
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I enjoy researching animal nutrition. My dogs are now eating a kibble that starts with meat, and raw. They're doing great. A few weeks ago I looked at a bag of Kibble N' Bits and was completely disgusted. Looked at a bag of Pedigree...first ingredient is corn. IAMS/Eukanuba, in my opinion is junk, plain and simple. And now they say you should add their sauce to their food. So does that mean that the food itself doesn't have the nutrients you pet needs?
 

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Agility23 said:
The only research you have done is read websites wow that tells you alot.

I have seen the food going into iams it is very good stuff there no argument to it
I just finished saying that's NOT how I do my research and that I know what's going into commercial dog food because my boyfriend worked at a slaughter house for awhile and contributed to the 'dog food bin' all of the tumerous, infected meat that wasn't fit for human consumption.

Not only that but there are many, quality brands of dog food that do not do invasive testing on dogs. Innova (Naturapet) actually rescues dogs from research labs, rehabilitates them and adopts them out to their employees while they are still young. The only kind of 'testing' they do is for palatability and digestibility (poop analysis). Eagle Pack also doesn't test on their animals although I haven't asked them for more information. I have three documents from Innova on the kind of testing that they do with pictures of their rescues and where they house their dogs.
 

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Well, I have a 14 year old dachshund who has eaten IAMS for 12 years of her life, and even after 4 non-food related back sugeries, she's fantastic. Shes in great shape and is healthy, and organic dog food has never touched her lips. Sure theres better dog food than IAMS, but Im still convinced its good, high quality food. Although Id like to switch my dogs to better, organic and good foods like you all mentioned, since I think IAMS is good enough I'm probably not going too. But so you all know, Im going to look into the foods you mentioned were good, since now I want to make sure my growing puppy and aging dog are getting the stuff they need. Now I still think IAMS is good, but I agree that not much though is put into making it, that more is into making money.
 

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That's all we want BagelDog. :D

My philosophy is that everyone should come to their own conclusions only after getting as much information about something as possible. I like to get at least three reliable sources to agree before I'll consider something to be true. By reliable I don't mean sites that promote their projects. I'm particularly fond of university research centres. And I'm not just talking about dog food. I mean anything.

I think Mordy explains it best on her site www.mordana.com/dogfood

www.mordanna.com/dogfood said:
While there is nothing wrong with feeding a particular food if your dog does well on it and you feel comfortable feeding it, the question is whether you have a basis of comparison and whether the formulation of the food has changed over time. I have seen the effect a better food can have on my own dog. When I adopted him from the shelter, he was a thin little puppy with a brittle coat and a rather strong "doggie odor". I didn't know better yet, fed an average quality food and thought the change in his appearance was stunning, except for the severe reactions he still showed whenever he picked up the occasional flea and got bitten before it died. He had gained weight, the odor improved and his coat was softer and shinier. I was happy and didn't think that any further improvement was possible - until he had been eating a really high quality food for about a month. His allergy to flea bites disappeared entirely, the muscle tone became much more defined, his coat even glossier, softer and most important, much, much denser. The doggie odor vanished.


If I hadn't at least given the better food a try, feeding it long enough to see results (depending on the individual dog this takes about 4-8 weeks), I would still have been convinced that my dog "did just fine" on the lesser quality food. Now I clearly see the difference between "doing just fine" and truly thriving. Every step up the "quality ladder" will bring improvements, the stray dog who used to survive mostly on garbage will do better once he gets a daily ration of even a relatively cheap food because it supplies more essential nutrients; and a dog who was fed a grocery store brand is guaranteed to improve on a better quality product as well.
 

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Agility23 said:
you guys are idiots you read iams and Eukanuba arnt good on the net and off you go bashing it.

Iams and Eukanuba are extreamly high quality how do i know? cause my friend works in there factory and the stuff that goes into that food is very high quality stuff.

My dogs both eat iams and are extreamly healthy dogs.


The reason i think iams and Eukanuba is good food is because i have seen what goes into it my friends puts it in there. Im not just pretending im an expert because i read a website.
Excuse me but I will not tolerate you calling my friends idiots for wanting to give their dogs better quality dog food and life. I've said it before and I'll say it again Iams in death in a bag and crap. Hmm did your friends help torture all those lab animals too?
 

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I just finished saying that's NOT how I do my research and that I know what's going into commercial dog food because my boyfriend worked at a slaughter house for awhile and contributed to the 'dog food bin' all of the tumerous, infected meat that wasn't fit for human consumption.

Not only that but there are many, quality brands of dog food that do not do invasive testing on dogs. Innova (Naturapet) actually rescues dogs from research labs, rehabilitates them and adopts them out to their employees while they are still young. The only kind of 'testing' they do is for palatability and digestibility (poop analysis). Eagle Pack also doesn't test on their animals although I haven't asked them for more information. I have three documents from Innova on the kind of testing that they do with pictures of their rescues and where they house their dogs.

i agree with you 100% that the animal testing is discusting. But i can honestly tell you It is good quality food. If you want proof watch the speed my collies fly round at agility.
 

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Sorry, but I don't consider that proof. Lots of dogs can survive on junk food just like people. It doesn't mean that it is the best option or that they won't pay for it later down the line.
 

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Your a great debator Saje lol you bring up really good points before I can even make them. Its good thing :)
 

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lol Thanks Scarlette. :) Did you see the newest member. Lovmypits I think. I thought it was you with a new avatar for a second. :) You'll probably have things in common
 
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I just went to www.naturapet.com and compared four brands of food. Here are the results.

Innova Dog Food Dry vs. Iams Natural Lamb Meal and Rice
Innova Dog

Ingredient Name




1. Turkey


2. Chicken


3. Chicken Meal


4. Ground Barley


5. Ground Brown Rice


6. Potatoes


7. Natural Flavors


8. Ground White Rice


9. Chicken Fat


10. Herring


11. Apples


12. Carrots


13. Cottage Cheese


14. Sunflower Oil


15. Alfalfa Sprouts


16. Egg


17. Garlic


18. Taurine


19. Vitamins/Minerals


20. Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms


Iams Natural Lamb Meal and Rice

Iams Natural® Lamb Meal & Rice

Ingredient Name




1. Lamb Meal


2. Brewer's Rice


3. Corn Meal


4. Sorghum


5. Ground Barley


6. Chicken Fat


7. Fish Meal


8. Chicken Byproduct Meal


9. Corn Grits


10. Dried Beet Pulp


11. Natural Chicken Flavor


12. Dried Egg Product


13. Brewer's Dried Yeast


14. Salt


15. Methionine


16. Rosemary Extract


17. Vitamins/Minerals


Eukanuba Maintenance vs. Bench & Field Lamb Meal and Rice Dog Food

Eukanuba® Maintenance

Ingredient Name




1. Chicken


2. Chicken Byproduct Meal


3. Corn Meal


4. Sorghum


5. Ground Barley


6. Fish Meal


7. Chicken Fat


8. Brewer's Rice


9. Natural Chicken Flavor


10. Beet Pulp


11. Dried Eggs


12. Brewer's Dried Yeast


13. Salt


14. Calcium Carbonate


15. Flaxseed Meal


16. Methionine


17. Rosemary Extract


18. Vitamins/Minerals


Bench & Field Lamb Meal and Rice Dog Food

Bench & Field Lamb Meal & Rice Dog Food

Ingredient Name




1. Lamb Meal


2. Ground Brown Rice


3. Rice Bran


4. Rice Flour


5. Ground Yellow Corn


6. Poultry Meal


7. Animal Fat


8. Dried Beet Pulp


9. Flaxseed


10. Brewer's Dried Yeast


11. Fish Meal


12. Salt


13. Lamb Digest


14. Dried Egg Product


15. Chicory Root Extract


16. Biotin


17. Sodium Selenite


18. Vitamins/Minerals
 

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yes i've heard of it, it's a food only sold on the european market as far as i know - and one of the better ones at that. :)

anyone who wants to browse different brands of food and compare ingredients, have a look here:
http://www.mordanna.com/boards/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=dogfood&page=0&sb=2

the listing is limited to what's produced in the USA, since that is to what the AAFCO labeling laws explained on the site apply. if you compare listings from countries outside of the US, you will notice that much less descriptive terms are used, unless the food is also produced for the US market.
 

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