akc to allow mixed breed dogs

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NO they can't go 'full bore' they will loose to many of the purebred people. But if you read the PDF.. it was kind of condescending to mixed breed owners.

Yep business are there to make money. But when you have to go against your own mandate and basic philosophy to grab more... its kinda dirty.
 

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So if they include mixed breed owners, their dirty, but if they exclude them, they are elitist, but if they do include them it is only OK to include them in a certain way but they are still elitist---and dirty....

Again, many have a bias against them and NO MATTER WHAT, those folks will always be unhappy with what they do.
 

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I think it IS a money grubbing move... but all the same I am kind of excited to see mixed breeds be allowed to compete in AKC agility.
 
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"Hey black people! You're allowed to come into my sub shop and spend your money on my subs, but you have to wait in a different line and drink out of a different bubblah."

Money making scheme without true acceptance? Anyone? Anyone?
 

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Since it's apparently optional to hold mixed breeds classes.. I see many clubs not bothering, or trying it early on, and if it doesn't get a large entry not bothering again.

Though unlike here they have the market on obedience and somewhat on rally, if offered they may get people trying to participate there due to less choice. I'm not sure there'd be as many mixed breed people beating down the door for agility, though I know in some places it's the only game in town.
 

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You beat me to it, Sis.

It's not dirty that the AKC is opening events to mixed breeds, it's dirty that they are still keeping them as separate as possible. Really, what is the point of not allowing mutts to run an agility course on the same day that a conformation trial is held?

And I will raise all sorts of hell if the AKC starts forcing breed clubs to revamp their standards. Oftentimes the breed club still holds the original standard, not the one that has been changed to reflect what is winning in the ring.
 

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"Hey black people! You're allowed to come into my sub shop and spend your money on my subs, but you have to wait in a different line and drink out of a different bubblah."

Money making scheme without true acceptance? Anyone? Anyone?
I think it's a little bizarre that you would compare segregation to dog competitions, but ooookkkkk....

....sort of like PETA comparing the AKC to the KKK, no?

The dogs have no concept which groups they are and are not competing against. They likely have no concept of actual breeds beyond the behavior/body language of their breed. They have no concept of the politics involved.

The only thing being wounded here is the egos of the owners.....
 

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Why, exactly, can't my mixed breeds go walk around some cones if there is a conformation show on the grounds at the same time? Are my dogs going to release mutt-cooties into the air and contaminate the purebreds?

Venus does not appear to have suffered any ill-effects as a result of living with mixed breeds, so I fail to see how having mutts on a field near a conformation show will result in disaster.
 

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There are many people that are unsatisfied with them already and I hope they can come up with something that will solve this kind of problem.
 

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The dogs have no concept which groups they are and are not competing against. They likely have no concept of actual breeds beyond the behavior/body language of their breed. They have no concept of the politics involved.

The only thing being wounded here is the egos of the owners.....
well, sure. i don't think anybody is under the illusion that dog trials mean anything to the dogs, including what dogs they're running against. but i think it's crappy to have a dog who is just as good as any other dog and still be treated, as the owner and trainer of that dog, as a second-class citizen. your dog will never be allowed to go to nationals no matter how good he is because he isn't "purebred". he's not allowed to get the same titles because he isn't "purebred". you don't think that's misguided, especially in this day and age?
 

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I never did get why mixed breeds can't compete with purebreeds......

They are here.
 

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Although it opens up a real possibility that I can do something with Sarama's agility class . . . I'm insulted by the way they've done this. Different titles, only at certain venues, only against other mixes . . . its canine aparthied. At least when they just didn't allow mixed breeds they could say, "we are here to promote purebred dogs." Now it seems to be "oh, we love all dogs . . . but OUR dogs are better than YOUR dogs. Please stand over there."

Ugh.

I'd even be happier if it worked like the ILP. BUt I can take Docket to the Nationals as an ILP, to his breed speciality, and can compete in performance events that are at the same place as conformation events. BAsically, the mixes are even below the ILP dogs.

Ugh.

Thanks AKC. I feel really loved.

The worst part is the limited venues and the titles. I can see not letting the mixed breeds compete directly against the purebreds . . . I know enough about agility to know that it would completely disstablize the status quo . .. and it might even not be good for the mixes . . . Sarama would always be up against the border collies, which wouldn't be quite fair to her. Although obviously mixes shouldn't be at specialities, why nowhere with confirmation? Why not the agility nationals? And the titles . . . why give them a ghetto title? Didn't they do the same thing? What does it cost you? Its not taking something away from your purebreds. All you are tellng me is that my dirty mutt can't make an appearence at your fancy shows or have your fancy titles. If this is your attempt to make me feel included . . .you have failed.

Edit: Of COURSE it is the egos of the owners. But the message here is loud and clear . . . "your dog is a second-class dog, that we, in our graciousness have allowed to play with out special dogs. If YOU want to play with the big kids, get a real dog next time."
 
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I have no issue with AKC being FOR purebred dogs...so what? There are org's solely FOR mutts...or specific breeds. Are they elitist too? Lordy I have an interest in purebred dogs...and I'd like a place that keeps a registry I can trust at least most of the time. THAT is what the AKC is to me...and had they chosen to REMAIN that, they'd be a lot better off right now.
 

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I, too have no problem with the AKC staying just for purebreds. It is the "I'm sorry your dog isn't good enough to play with our pedigreed dogs" attitude that makes my skin itch.

Did anyone else fill out the survey from a year or so ago, where they were asking for opinions on this particular decision? I wish I'd saved a copy. One of the comments in the description of their decision (paraphrased, of course) was basically that "the purpose of allowing mixed breeds will be so that people can see the superiority of purebreds". I am almost certain the the word "superiority" was used.

Well, how can I know how superior all their purebreds are if my "mixed breed" (not even mixed, but non-AKC) dog isn't allowed to compete against them? What the heck is the harm in that? I have no problem putting Meg up against the shelties and smaller border collies at USDAA and CPE events.

I'm lucky that I'm in an area where it is easy to find USDAA, CPE, and NADAC trials in reasonable driving distance, so I don't HAVE to go to AKC. I don't know now if I will or not - although obviously some of it is going to depend on whether trials actually offer them. Our local AKC agility trial is this weekend - I'll be curious to hear the buzz. However, since that trial tends to fill the first day of entry, I'm guessing they aren't going to feel the need to add additional classes for mixed breeds.

and it might even not be good for the mixes . . . Sarama would always be up against the border collies, which wouldn't be quite fair to her.
Why not fair? Meg is generally in the classes full of the larger shelties, and the smaller BCs and Aussies. No, she's never going to have the flat out speed of the BCs, but she also doesn't going flying past me to take five off-course obstacles in her speed or pull every other rail because she's jumping flat-out;). We lose to the BCs often, but are right there to take the higher ribbons when they start making mistakes. Trust me, accuracy and training can take you pretty far when going against speed.
 

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Sarama would always be up against the border collies, which wouldn't be quite fair to her.
Corgis are up against JRT's and sometimes small shelties. You would think it wouldn't be fair to them. Even corgi people thought their own breed would never stand a chance. We were all pretty surprised when they held their own against dogs with legs.

There are several agility venues already that allow mixed breeds where Sarama would be up against BC's.

Ya know, I was considering neutering Tyr so I could ILP him and title him. After this though, I've decided that if I want to title him, I'll just make considerable effort to find and get to ASCA trials. He'll be happy to know that he can remain intact.
 

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Wow, when I first read about the decision, I was excited. Lucy would get to compete!

I've never been involved with anything AKC, so maybe I'm just naive and over-trusting, but I'm going to remain hopeful until I see how this pans out.
 
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me too

I too was happy when I heard about the decision. I currently only compete in CPE and unfortunately usually have to drive 3 hrs + to meets (which is fine but I would prefer closer events)---there are a lot of AKC events within 1.5 hours of me (including my own club which I train at) which would be close enough for me not to have to get a hotel!

Then I read the document---my first thought was "why do they need to run seperate"--and then I read the part about the titles---oh my......I think I could even deal with the titles thing if they could run with everyone else.

I have nothing against the AKC--I understand what they stand for and why Wrigley could not compete in their trials.

But if the AKC wants to allow mixed breed dogs it should be just that--they are allowing mixed breed dogs for performance sports. period.

Wrigley would be more than happy to compete against the other 12" dogs and take home some ribbons!
 

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To me this was a half arsed attempt to satisfy everyone and in the end it was insulting. They should either allow mixed breeds or not. This middle ground crap is annoying.
 

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