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Do any of you compete with a DA dog? I really think Rhys would enjoy agility, but he is quite DA. That being said, he is much more neutral in dog show and performance event type environments. For example, he has been shown conformation, and done weight pull and lure coursing with no issues. In fact, some of my friends have only seen him in this type of environment and don't believe me when I say he's DA lol.

Would it be possible?
 

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Depending on the level of reactivity, and your level of control, it certainly is possible.

I consider Meg reactive rather than aggressive, but she's definitely a dog who doesn't like other dogs in her space unless she knows them well. Trialing works for us because I'm careful and keep her under control, and the vast majority of people at trials also keep their dogs under control. There is far less "he's just saying hi!" stupid people at an agility trial than in the general public. Meg's so used to not being bothered at trials now that I barely worry when she's in a tight crowd at the in gate or something - but I do stay aware.

Dogs who are aggressive and who act on it do get reported and can be banned for the venue. In my experience, there is quite a high percentage of dogs with some dog/dog or dog/person issues competing - they just have handlers who are very on top of things and keep everyone safe and comfortable.
 

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Hanky Pank!

Note: I don't encourage the bouncing off of me. He just started that like 2 days ago. For some reason spinning has turned into that.

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Zuma is dog reactive, especially on leash, and she is motion reactive as well. We trial, but it requires a ton of management. It took a while for me to figure out a warm up routine that would work with her, something that would keep her with me and not reacting to the dogs around us or getting crazy about the dogs running before us. Now that we've been trialing for a couple years, it's much easier. I know what to expect from her and know how to set her up for success. I will never let my guard down when we are in close proximity to other dogs, but it's much easier now.
 

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There was a dog on our house-league last year that was severely DA.

She had to be carried from her crate into the ring (and she wasn't a small dog). Once she was in the ring, she was great. Proficient and worked excellently alongside her owner.

I feel that as long as your dog isn't going to jump fences to go after other dogs - and that those spectating are respectful and don't have their dogs sitting alongside the fence; DA shouldn't be too much of an issue.


I occasionally compete with Rigby that is mildly DA in high-stress and food situations. Most people at the trials know to give space to other dogs anyways, and it hasn't been an issue yet.
 

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Trial roundup - Q-wise, kind of meh. We were 1 for 3. But emotion/performance-wise, I'm thrilled.

I'm particularly thrilled with our last run - an advanced jumpers. The course was a really nice one, but it had 2-3 tricky bits that I was worried about. While running it, Cohen got the first tricky bit beautifully, and... I promptly forgot the course. Whoops. Continuing on, the other tricky bits couldn't have been smoother or faster. Very impressed with her.

Her weaves were lovely, first try every time with no 10th pole popouts. I think she knocked maybe one bar. She's listening well and is running fast. Love my girl!
 

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Do any of you compete with a DA dog? I really think Rhys would enjoy agility, but he is quite DA. That being said, he is much more neutral in dog show and performance event type environments. For example, he has been shown conformation, and done weight pull and lure coursing with no issues. In fact, some of my friends have only seen him in this type of environment and don't believe me when I say he's DA lol.

Would it be possible?
Lucy is pretty motion reactive, especially on leash. At the beginning, we'd hang out outside the building (or far away from the ring) and my friend would come and grab me when there was only 1 dog before us. Even in the 1 minute until we went in the ring, sometimes I'd go through a whole cheese stick trying to hold her attention. She's gotten 100x better though (and I'm better able to anticipate and manage).

The challenge for me is walking out to the start line when the previous dog is still running. Her brain turns into OMGMUSTCHASE and sometimes, even after 6 years of training, she can't come back completely. Usually she can pull it together by the 2nd or third obstacle, but focus is definitely a challenge.
 

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Thanks for all the replies! Rhys is most DA on his own turf; we walk through neighborhoods that have dogs running fences, or people walking very reactive and badly behaved dogs WAY too close to us. Off leash dogs are also a huge problem. He actively wants to fight another dog in those situations; there is no back up in him. We have a neighbor with dog that was supposed to be 'friendly' who rolled Rhys when he was about 3 months old. He has hated that dog since then. We have worked on his threshold but he is very difficult to control without a prong collar.

At conformation shows, most of the dogs are under strict control and have no interest in each other-he does just fine in those environments. He can stand close to other dogs, be shown next to them, etc, with little to no problems. He's only had one incident at show; someone walked their APBT by his crate and that particular dog decided he didn't like Rhys, who was resting quietly in his crate. B went after Rhys through the crate, luckily I was close by. Rhys didn't hesitate a second; he made a strong bite and I had to break him off. Luckily he wasn't hurt and I'm good friends with B's owner, he was very apologetic.

He has done lure coursing and weight pull with no issues. Lure coursing, especially, he has been in a very, very high state of arousal and totally ignored other dogs in his desire to get the lure.

I think if I could keep him interested in me and make agility really fun for him, other dogs wouldn't matter. Especially if the other dogs gave him space and weren't interested in him. He's pretty predictable but he has the potential to do some damage so I'm trying to be realistic with what he could do. If the ring is secure, I wouldn't worry as much; he used to barriers and respects them.
 

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So thrilled with Kili today! After a bit of a rocky start on her first run yesterday, where she did the same old take off and run a different course than mom, Kili really buckled down today and had 2 absolutely fabulous runs... including her very first official Jumpers Q, taking first place in the class for good measure! If she could just always run like this... my life would be complete! :)

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Kili looks awesome!!



Our NTI tunnel came in yesterday! The papillons thought it was Christmas having a tunnel in the living room.



Weird thing about Hank though is every tunnel he's seen so far he has to re-learn. The process goes shorter with each but he does not seem to be generalizing them at all. They are all the same size but in different rooms/buildings and different colors. I haven't curved them yet and have kept them fairly short. Anyone experience that?



Jump stands he has gotten wherever we take them and generally this is a dog that learns in 1 repetition. Even with re-learning each tunnel once he does it once he's got it again.
 

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Today is our AKC debut.

I'm always so nervous about new things... Drinking 20 oz of coffee first thing this AM did NOT help...
Good luck, you guy will do great! *front* cross. :rofl1:

Okay, here is a video of Feist and what we've done so far for running contacts, we get to play with a low dogwalk on monday. Thoughts/questions/concerns welcome:

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Hank did good today. We missed a lot of our class because I signed up for the barn hunt a long time ago and the times overlapped. But he did good at both.

It is strange being the only one who has done this all before in class. Hank knows all the stuff already and I feel kinda bad telling the trainer/my friend to skip the basics in front of the other people. There one lady trying to mimic me so I have to be careful because I'm just playing around with other tricks sometimes and she keeps asking why am I doing this this way? (because we're finishing the exercises so fast- today for example was 'what is shaping' and teaching the dog to stand on an object when Hank already knows how to pivot on an object)
 

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It is strange being the only one who has done this all before in class. Hank knows all the stuff already and I feel kinda bad telling the trainer/my friend to skip the basics in front of the other people. There one lady trying to mimic me so I have to be careful because I'm just playing around with other tricks sometimes and she keeps asking why am I doing this this way? (because we're finishing the exercises so fast- today for example was 'what is shaping' and teaching the dog to stand on an object when Hank already knows how to pivot on an object)
Always awkward... Auggie was the most advanced in his agility classes and Payton of course was double-cheating because not only had I taught him a bunch but I had put master's titles on a dog already soooo. Yeah, it's tough and I do sometimes find myself being careful not to be too advanced or anything because other students get frustrated for not being able to do it. x_x Part of the reason I kind of quit doing classes and just work on my own.



Payton had a pretty good day today but no Qs. His start line stays were amazing. Standard was like this:
"I dare you to break your stay."
"Nope not breaking it."
"No I dare you."
"Nope."
"I mean I seriously dare you."
"Nnnnnope."
"Okay."
"YAY."

JWW was equally good, he thought about breaking and then caught himself and settled back down. I was really proud of that. He had weave entries but didn't finish the poles, sigh. Also no contacts in standard. He did however do a WONDERFUL table (finally!!!!) and also held a nice stay on the table. All said I was pretty happy with him. It helps when he does a nice stay for me and I feel like he's at least trying. The photographer today took some candid shots of us outside the ring and it's interesting how much we look like a solid team who legit loves and enjoys each other OUTSIDE the ring, haha. And then we get in the ring and Payton is like WHAT IS TEAMWORKS?? That's not totally true, actually his JWW run today was really nice except for the borked weave poles. The kinda nice thing about not having contacts or weaves on my dog and basically counting on a Q never happening is I get to really do some advanced handling, because it doesn't matter if he gets it or not, and he's gotten to where he's really excellent about being handled at a high level.

Georgie got a VERY difficult weave entry today (Q rate was pretty abysmal) but then didn't finish her poles. Good runs for her though anyway despite no Qs. But some Qs eventually would be nice. =P
 

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Yay Hank! He is so cute, and I am always shocked by how tiny he is when I see him in photos where there is something I can compare him to. In pictures where I just see him, I envision him as cattle dog sized.

I'm glad Payton had some really good moments in his runs. With all the work you put in, it is about time that things started to pay off!

Gusto and I are keeping up our lessons; it's nice because while generally we are doing once a month, we had/have 3 that are only a couple weeks apart to get us going. It has been very much foundation stuff, and I am amazed at how little of it (basically none of it) I did before with him. I truly thought I was putting a great foundation on him when we started. It's scary to realize how much I didn't know. I'm still not really sure how/if it will affect the basic issue of ring stress that has plagued us, but I'm hoping the more competent we both are with the skills/equipment, the less stress. Maybe.

He won't run at the one trial venue we usually go to in the winter (I think it is a flooring issue; he starts out great in his first run, and progressively slows). I'm willing to concede that he isn't comfortable on the mats there, as I know quite a few other people who have dogs that won't run, or who do run and slip like crazy. Meg has always run great there, oddly. So I won't ask him to trial there anymore. Our next trial probably won't be until February. Which feels like forever, but I don't even care much with all the work we are doing right now.

Please please please let it pay off eventually. Thanks Santa.
 

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I would need more equipment to drop classes. :p

Hank is teeny. He's pretty much sheltie sized. Just... cattle dog looking but sheltie sized.
 

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Recon was a little excited yesterday and blew all three contacts in standard. Awesome run otherwise. We were very in tune, my handling was great, and we were fast. I'm happy with not Qing for those results.

Jumpers was ok. Did a nice front cross thanks to Tory's suggestion, had some good speed and handling until I forgot to call a tunnel and we had a refusal. By the time he came out of the tunnel he was pissed and wouldn't weave. 4 tries and nothing on a 6 set. I really don't have an explanation for it... :(
 

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Having fun training the shaggy kids :) Getting Mira back into the game is so, so nice. Only one trial back so far and no Qs but that was expected (one was my fault, I was severely jet lagged after being out of state and made a handling error) but she was running beautifully and really doing a super nice job.

Lodin is really just starting out and also having a blast. Taking my time with his foundations, and keeping reps really low and bars on the ground. He loves the baby teeter and the tunnel. Had fun in the collapsed tunnel when he was introduced to it but hasn't tried it again since. Loves wrapping uprights and very basic flatwork handling.

Training with friends lately with multiple dogs out on the floor at once -- Mira has always been able to work with other dogs around but Lo had a hard time for a while because he wants to play with All The Things but now he's out off leash through all of puppy sport class and while training with friends and chooses to keep working with me and blast by everyone else <3 so proud of his attitude!

Anyway, that's my Sunday morning gush :)
 

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