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let me rephrase.

person wants a dog with a b and c qualities. There is a rescue dog that fullfills those qualities...yet they choose a PB... to me, looks were the deciding factor. :)
Okay. So they wanted a purebred, and you are positive that looks were the only deciding factor.

Still don't see why this is an issue. Not everyone has to rescue, are you realizing this yet?
 
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aaaaaand there are rescue dogs that fit that profile? There are, but they don't fit the perfect cookie cutter appearance wise. Which is my point. So if there is a resuce dog that fits that, but you chose a breeder dog, IMO you have based alot of that decision on looks.
No. I based A LOT of it on health. I know romeos lineage, I know his parents, I know they were health tested, I know his great grandparents and their health test ratings. I also know the temperament of his parents.

Do I think Romeo is cute? extremely so. and as I said, it was A factor in my decision, but it certainly wasn't the biggest factor, nor was it "alot".

I didnt choose a shelter because I didn't want to take the risk of choosing a dog that down the road, would have the major health problems/temperament issues commonly associated with badly bred chis. No, not ALL rescue/shelter chis have these problems.. but many do. I did not want to take that risk, that is MY personal choice.

You want to believe that I went online and found the cutest little doggy from a breeder and bought him for that reason on the spot and im sorry, but that simply IS NOT TRUE.

There is more than a well bred chihuahua (or any dog) than looks. Im sorry you can't see that.

I really hope that all people that are in rescues aren't as judgmental as you, because then I really will never be adopting a dog from a rescue, thats for sure.
 
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lol dekka, Iam familiar with those articles that talk about that. If iam not mistaken, its the people rescuing dirrectly from mills that were sited as the problem. As they make life easier for the miller.

all my dogs were truck strays. May they have been dumped by som' moron under the inpression that a nice lady would save them, perhaps. But two I know where from opps and the rest were likey excapees.
 

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right, but there is a fair amount of gamble on a puppy anyway, even within a breed is there not?

My issue is that people say things like "i want a dog because it looks how its supposed to" and then then I say som'thing like "I don't care how a dog looks, IMO its not important the dog be pretty" I get jumped all over by people saying I think they are vain and shallow for wanting a pretty dog. But yet, you all readily admit that looks have bearing on your choice in a companion.

Follow me? :)
No. Other than you think 'breed snobs' are 'vain' and 'shallow'. Maybe you mean something else but that's why I'm gathering.

Yep looks matter to me to an extent. The breeds I'm most interested in- border collies, shelties, and papillons are all very beautiful to me. Part of the initial attraction to me is looks. Of course if you can't handle the dog then it doesn't matter (I think huskies are one of the most stunning breeds but I'd be miserable with one). There would be no way I'd get a dog solely on looks but physical attributes DO play a part for me and a lot of people I'm sure.

Yes all dogs are individuals BUT the reason we have breeds is to be able to make reasonable generalizations about dogs. If I want a sled dog, a papillon would be a terrible choice. If I want a guard dog, I'm not getting a golden retriever, etc. By getting a papillon from a good breeder with good pedigrees I know what is likely to be. Of course you get variations. I have two dogs that are about on the opposite ends of the papillon spectrum. Rose is very quiet, calm, and low maintenance and then Mia is hyper, drivey, loud, obnoxious, you get the picture... But overall yeah they share a lot more characteristics than they don't. And yes, they come in a pretty package lol!
 

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Never read an article, that opinion is mine from working with rescues, and talking to people on the street, on the phone, in classes, at trials, in vets offices etc.. That opinion is based on my growing knowledge of how genetics work.

Most dogs people get are dumped or strays. Either way the owner ends up assuming someone else will clean up their mess, cause someone always does. What child will learn to clean his room if mom always comes in and does it for him? As long as we clean up the mess, people will happily let us.

I have some solutions, but not ones that I could get enough people behind to implement.
 

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Oh and I am the last person to get a dog based on pretty (I made a thread on that ages ago and was surprised at how much looks were important) But for me I want a dog that is well put together. That doesn't necessarily mean conf champion. But it does mean no crooked legs, etc. I have a foster JRT right now who is cute and friendly and sweet (and so not my kind of dog) He is 2 years old and not sound enough to do agility even for fun...
 
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No. Other than you think 'breed snobs' are 'vain' and 'shallow'. Maybe you mean something else but that's why I'm gathering.
laur, I said this

Personally, I value a dogs life over any "beauty" that may be lost by it not being up to som' kennel clubs standard. I also value the dogs life more than any inconvience and emotions, and loss of money their health may bring. If shown two puppies, one who is my ideal, and one that isn't quite, but will die if I don't take it. I will take the less than Ideal puppy, love it, work with it and value it for being the induvidual it is. Warts and all. Because I feel thats the right thing to do

and you said this.

You are assuming why someone chooses a purebred is because they're 'pretty' or some vain reason like that. That is not the case nor is someone who choses to rescue necessarily more 'caring' or more of a martyr than one who doesn't.
YOU put those words in my mouth. YOU assumed thats what I meant. I don't know how many times I need to clarify this for you. I never called anyone vain or shallow. I don't pick a dog based on looks. Thats all I said.
 
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Okay. So they wanted a purebred, and you are positive that looks were the only deciding factor.

Still don't see why this is an issue. Not everyone has to rescue, are you realizing this yet?
if the dog is otherwise identical (including health) then yes.
 

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no two dogs are identical...

I am kind of saddened by the idea that 'any dog will do' and that if you want a small companion dog you should take just any. I have no desire to take a dog that I will not be happy with, and that won't be happy with me. No with a puppy you aren't sure, but IME breeders are better than shelters and are as good as good rescues at telling you what you are getting.
 

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