A Breeders Thoughts

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Yeah, because it's not enough for me to have one special needs rescue dog already.

I don't need to be chastized, thank you very much. I'm quite capable of knowing when I'm being ridiculous and joking, and if you can't tell then that's your problem LOL ;)

People who rescue are great people. No doubt about that.

There are great rescue dogs out there- and if you don't want something specific then by all means rescue or go to a shelter.

I just am really appalled by what I read and find it sad.
 

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I dont think I have posted on this....

BUT

This thread has been a HUGE turn off to BOTH for me!!!

and yes, I know blah blah blah, I didnt have to read it, and blah blah blah!! but yeah, its not helping either "side" and their shouldnt be a "side" to begin with!!
 

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This thread has been a HUGE turn off to BOTH for me!!!
I read that quickly and thought it said "This thread has been a HUGE turn off for BOTH of me!!!" :lol-sign:

But yes, I agree. This isn't something there should be "sides" on. I don't think anybody should be anti-rescue OR anti-breeder, they both have their place and neither one is WRONG.

Can't we all just get a bong? :p
 

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I don't need to be chastized, thank you very much. I'm quite capable of knowing when I'm being ridiculous and joking, and if you can't tell then that's your problem LOL ;)
Uhm no actually, that is YOUR problem. I am a mod here, I told you to take it easy and I told you WHY to take it easy. So you don't come back and tell me what you do or do not need, you don't come back and tell me what you are capable of knowing and what you are not. Period.

I said to knock off that line of comments and I meant it. Anything further you may PM me about, but tread lightly because I don't care for your attitude one bit.
 

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Neither "side" is the way to go. You go with what is good or works for you. End of discussion. As far as the Pretty, well pretty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find pretty others may not. And pretty is NOT just a physical thing, its also an inner beauty.
 
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Your right, guilting doesn't work.
Then why do you keep on doing it? Please don't say it's only because you care so much. That's completely inconsistent with sabotaging rescue efforts, which is exactly what you're doing. By actively "guilting", you've spent the better part of this thread convincing people NOT to consider adopting.

Again, it's very simple: When you make people feel BAD they naturally turn AWAY.

Som' of us tho, feel like we carry the guilt of others who rationalize their way toward a PB puppy. Its hard for it not to spill out occasionally. Those that are VERY committed to this carry a huge burden.
So you're a burden-bearing martyr, cleansing the "sins" of those who obtained purebred dogs from ethical breeders ... all the while reminding them of an endlessly selfless willingness to suffer for their oh-so-egregious sins?? Look, people DO burn out from rescue, and you're sounding like one of them. This is said with the best of intentions ... you need a break from involvement with rescue. A break long enough to get over the martyr complex and to see the truth ... because right now you are sabotaging the very rescue efforts you claim to be promoting. The truth is anything but what you have been posting to this thread!

The argument that a shelter dog dies every time someone purchases from an ethical breeder contains a common fallacy. It assumes its two stated conditions exist exclusively, and ignores other viable possibilities. Whether or not YOU personally agree with those other viable possibilities is completely irrelevant ... they simply exist. (Please read that last sentence again.)

Possibilities include: a.) Dog with desired and/or needed size/characteristics/health/temperament, etc. is unavailable from rescue; b.) Potential adopter lives outside area to which a particular rescue would agree to adopt; c.) Inflexible rescue rules resulting in unjust refusals to competent potential adopters; d.) Rescue adoption fees higher than area population is willing to bear; e.) Potential dog owner desires a dog for specific purposes and/or with specific characteristics that only ethical breeders are able to satisfy.

As to the people to whom those (or other) possibilities may apply, accept that those people themselves do not exist to make YOU happy ... and all the self-righteous, sanctimonious, preachy bullsh!t in the world is never going to change that simple fact. The "guilt" you speak of does NOT belong to people who carefully researched and then purchased dogs from ethical breeders; dogs that in all likelihood (baring unforseen and extreme circumstances) will have permanent homes for life.

Guilt belongs solely to two other groups: Those irresponsible enough to allow the unfettered breeding of the very mixed breeds that make up the bulk of dogs ending up in shelters in the first place ... and to cruel people who abused, neglected, and abandoned dogs that also ended up in shelters ... about 20% of which are purebred dogs, BTW.
 

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I dont think I have posted on this....

BUT

This thread has been a HUGE turn off to BOTH for me!!!

and yes, I know blah blah blah, I didnt have to read it, and blah blah blah!! but yeah, its not helping either "side" and their shouldnt be a "side" to begin with!!
Well my intent was not to tell people to go one way or the other, just to explain that there is more than one acceptable way to get a dog.
 

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[snip]

The argument that a shelter dog dies every time someone purchases from an ethical breeder contains a common fallacy. It assumes its two stated conditions exist exclusively, and ignores other viable possibilities. Whether or not YOU personally agree with those other viable possibilities is completely irrelevant ... they simply exist. (Please read that last sentence again.)

Possibilities include: a.) Dog with desired and/or needed size/characteristics/health/temperament, etc. is unavailable from rescue; b.) Potential adopter lives outside area to which a particular rescue would agree to adopt; c.) Inflexible rescue rules resulting in unjust refusals to competent potential adopters; d.) Rescue adoption fees higher than area population is willing to bear; e.) Potential dog owner desires a dog for specific purposes and/or with specific characteristics that only ethical breeders are able to satisfy.

As to the people to whom those (or other) possibilities may apply, accept that those people themselves do not exist to make YOU happy ... and all the self-righteous, sanctimonious, preachy bullsh!t in the world is never going to change that simple fact. The "guilt" you speak of does NOT belong to people who carefully researched and then purchased dogs from ethical breeders; dogs that in all likelihood (baring unforseen and extreme circumstances) will have permanent homes for life.

Guilt belongs solely to two other groups: Those irresponsible enough to allow the unfettered breeding of the very mixed breeds that make up the bulk of dogs ending up in shelters in the first place ... and to cruel people who abused, neglected, and abandoned dogs that also ended up in shelters ... about 20% of which are purebred dogs, BTW.
:hail: :hail:
 

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Then why do you keep on doing it? Please don't say it's only because you care so much. That's completely inconsistent with sabotaging rescue efforts, which is exactly what you're doing. By actively "guilting", you've spent the better part of this thread convincing people NOT to consider adopting.

Again, it's very simple: When you make people feel BAD they naturally turn AWAY.



So you're a burden-bearing martyr, cleansing the "sins" of those who obtained purebred dogs from ethical breeders ... all the while reminding them of an endlessly selfless willingness to suffer for their oh-so-egregious sins?? Look, people DO burn out from rescue, and you're sounding like one of them. This is said with the best of intentions ... you need a break from involvement with rescue. A break long enough to get over the martyr complex and to see the truth ... because right now you are sabotaging the very rescue efforts you claim to be promoting. The truth is anything but what you have been posting to this thread!

The argument that a shelter dog dies every time someone purchases from an ethical breeder contains a common fallacy. It assumes its two stated conditions exist exclusively, and ignores other viable possibilities. Whether or not YOU personally agree with those other viable possibilities is completely irrelevant ... they simply exist. (Please read that last sentence again.)

Possibilities include: a.) Dog with desired and/or needed size/characteristics/health/temperament, etc. is unavailable from rescue; b.) Potential adopter lives outside area to which a particular rescue would agree to adopt; c.) Inflexible rescue rules resulting in unjust refusals to competent potential adopters; d.) Rescue adoption fees higher than area population is willing to bear; e.) Potential dog owner desires a dog for specific purposes and/or with specific characteristics that only ethical breeders are able to satisfy.

As to the people to whom those (or other) possibilities may apply, accept that those people themselves do not exist to make YOU happy ... and all the self-righteous, sanctimonious, preachy bullsh!t in the world is never going to change that simple fact. The "guilt" you speak of does NOT belong to people who carefully researched and then purchased dogs from ethical breeders; dogs that in all likelihood (baring unforseen and extreme circumstances) will have permanent homes for life.

Guilt belongs solely to two other groups: Those irresponsible enough to allow the unfettered breeding of the very mixed breeds that make up the bulk of dogs ending up in shelters in the first place ... and to cruel people who abused, neglected, and abandoned dogs that also ended up in shelters ... about 20% of which are purebred dogs, BTW.
:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:
 

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Good grief. Could somebody please throw a bucket of cold water on these folks and crate 'em in separate rooms?

Some people, when they calm down and reread what they've said, are going to very embarrassed, I think. What you say at the height of emotion may not be what you really think, or at least, might be expressed far more belligerently than the poster really intended.

I've had purebred dogs AND rescue dogs AND a shelter dog. I got them for different reasons, and I don't feel one bit guilty about any of them. Nor should I.
 

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So you're a burden-bearing martyr, cleansing the "sins" of those who obtained purebred dogs from ethical breeders ... all the while reminding them of an endlessly selfless willingness to suffer for their oh-so-egregious sins?? Look, people DO burn out from rescue, and you're sounding like one of them. This is said with the best of intentions ... you need a break from involvement with rescue. A break long enough to get over the martyr complex and to see the truth ... because right now you are sabotaging the very rescue efforts you claim to be promoting. The truth is anything but what you have been posting to this thread!

The argument that a shelter dog dies every time someone purchases from an ethical breeder contains a common fallacy. It assumes its two stated conditions exist exclusively, and ignores other viable possibilities. Whether or not YOU personally agree with those other viable possibilities is completely irrelevant ... they simply exist. (Please read that last sentence again.)

Possibilities include: a.) Dog with desired and/or needed size/characteristics/health/temperament, etc. is unavailable from rescue; b.) Potential adopter lives outside area to which a particular rescue would agree to adopt; c.) Inflexible rescue rules resulting in unjust refusals to competent potential adopters; d.) Rescue adoption fees higher than area population is willing to bear; e.) Potential dog owner desires a dog for specific purposes and/or with specific characteristics that only ethical breeders are able to satisfy.

As to the people to whom those (or other) possibilities may apply, accept that those people themselves do not exist to make YOU happy ... and all the self-righteous, sanctimonious, preachy bullsh!t in the world is never going to change that simple fact. The "guilt" you speak of does NOT belong to people who carefully researched and then purchased dogs from ethical breeders; dogs that in all likelihood (baring unforseen and extreme circumstances) will have permanent homes for life.

Guilt belongs solely to two other groups: Those irresponsible enough to allow the unfettered breeding of the very mixed breeds that make up the bulk of dogs ending up in shelters in the first place ... and to cruel people who abused, neglected, and abandoned dogs that also ended up in shelters ... about 20% of which are purebred dogs, BTW.
:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:
 

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I completely agree with thegoldenretriever... great post!

I own 4 purebred dogs from breeders... one of which was a "rehome" (Rory). I don't regret my decisions one bit.

I've fostered dogs in the past, and try to help out when I can with rescue. At this point in my life, a rescue dog is not for me.
 

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TheGoldenRetriever, FANTASTIC post! :hail:

There shouldn't have to be "sides." That only happens when one "side" is intolerant of the other. We're all in it because we love our dogs. We have to do what's best for ourselves and for the dog.

Personally, I plan on rescuing many dogs in the future, whether a BC, chi, or Pap from a breed rescue, or a wonderful mutt from a shelter.
For my next dog I'm going to a breeder because that is what works for me at this point in time. :)
And neither is "better" than another.
 

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There shouldn't have to be "sides." That only happens when one "side" is intolerant of the other. We're all in it because we love our dogs. We have to do what's best for ourselves and for the dog.
Yup, agree with you and Jess... the saddest part about this whole thread is that there even ARE sides. =<
 

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