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Health testing may not be full proof, but it sure is better than nothing.
you ARE more likely to get a healthy dog from a breeder than a shelter. Im sorry you dont want to hear it, but with a dog from a GOOD breeder the odds are just in your favor. With healthy testing, healthy parents, etc..etc.. thats just how it is.
you ARE more likely to get a healthy dog from a breeder than a shelter. Im sorry you dont want to hear it, but with a dog from a GOOD breeder the odds are just in your favor. With healthy testing, healthy parents, etc..etc.. thats just how it is.
I never contested this. What I contest is how big a deal people make out minor health problems to be 
And that's just the two major genetic health issues in the breed I'm familiar with. Finn has a very low risk of developing hip dysplasia (both parents are OFA Excellent) and he is clear of CEA, as his parents are clear.
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I want a chi because I love everything about them. I want a chihuahua. I'm getting a certain breed because they fit what I'm looking for. What's the point in getting a dog that looks or acts nothing like what I want? I might as well get another breed.
That's irresponsible. That's why so many dogs end up in shelters.
I mentioned Lucy, but she is not the reason I'm getting a dog from a good breeder next time. It was just an example of a dog turning out not quite what you imagined. And now I'd like to leave my dog out of the rest of this. Thanks.
I agree
with the smaller breeds, som'thing as devistating as HD is not likely
with most chis, patella problems are the biggest worry.
with the smaller breeds, som'thing as devistating as HD is not likely
with most chis, patella problems are the biggest worry.
Some small dogs DO have HD issues. BCs do, and there are lots of BCs in rescue. Will I ever rescue a BC? Highly likely. But I'll know to potentially expect HD in its future, as with any other health issue.
You didn't. And I didn't call you a moron. Go reread.
Minor?? Not all health problems being tested for are MINOR. Degenerative Myelopathy is becoming a huge issue in pemmies, and many breeders are working their butts off to get it out of the gene pool. DM is far from MINOR.
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And hun, that's just one example of not-so-minor health issues that I want screened for.
I never contested this. What I contest is how big a deal people make out minor health problems to be
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And hun, that's just one example of not-so-minor health issues that I want screened for.
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oh for petes sake, do I need to clarify everything. I said people make a big deal out of minor health problems. NOT all health problems are minor.
here is is again for those who missed it.
this is what you said... if you don't think I called you dumb I don't get your point except to pick a fight. Which I really don't understand coming from you CP. I get it, your having a bad day, and I extended my offer to help, and then you jump on here nitpicking. Good to really see you.
Ironically, that disease you are so concerned about, is mostly prevalent in........ OH guess what. PB dogs!
here is is again for those who missed it.
this is what you said... if you don't think I called you dumb I don't get your point except to pick a fight. Which I really don't understand coming from you CP. I get it, your having a bad day, and I extended my offer to help, and then you jump on here nitpicking. Good to really see you.
Ironically, that disease you are so concerned about, is mostly prevalent in........ OH guess what. PB dogs!
I agree
with the smaller breeds, som'thing as devistating as HD is not likely
with most chis, patella problems are the biggest worry.
with the smaller breeds, som'thing as devistating as HD is not likely
with most chis, patella problems are the biggest worry.
Ive met many chihuahuas with this problem... it has various stages. but makes walking uncomfortable, usually makes their back legs a bit bow legged and makes their gait pretty uncomfortable as far as natural position to walk in.
Walking uncomfortable, and sometimes, running not even an option. its a sad sad thing to see for a breed that is so energetic
and even if its not "that bad" when the dog is young, it gets worse as they get older
I do agility and am starting flyball with romeo. he is an active little dog who LOVE to run around. and I thank GOODNESS he does not have this problem because it would break my heart to see him in pain just to be able to run around and do what he loves
Unfortunately, with chis being as popular and badly bred as they are. Its more than just Luxating patellas that are an issue these days.
Usually, teeth are a disaster, hip displasya is getting more and more common, Cancer, etc..etc..
Ok, I tried to stay out of this thread, since I respect both rescuers and breeders, but I must say I disagree with Dekka. I volunteer at an extremely high kill shelter, and we tell everyone who drops off an animal (our biggest source of intake is oops litters) that their animal will more than likely be PTS. They just shrug and say that's life, so I really doubt they care if their animals are adopted or not.
Actually not really. Where is the database for non PB dogs?
Who lobbies for health testing on non PB dogs?
Who benefits from health testing? (breeders of PB dogs)
Who is accountable for their breeding (breeders of PB dogs)
Do pet people who get a cheap non PB dog worry about health testing or just take what comes?
Do people who breed mutts care about the long term health of their lines or if the buyers get a dog that needs a lot of care down the road...
As you can see its not that issues are relegated to PB dogs.. its that PB dog breeders are HELD accountable for producing dogs with issues. This is a good thing, a very good thing!! This is what we want.
But then the AR types and rescue nazis (not saying you are.. ) go around saying PB dogs have more issues. Its a 'symptom' of a good breeder to disclose issues and health test.
No heath testing means no problems to report!
Who lobbies for health testing on non PB dogs?
Who benefits from health testing? (breeders of PB dogs)
Who is accountable for their breeding (breeders of PB dogs)
Do pet people who get a cheap non PB dog worry about health testing or just take what comes?
Do people who breed mutts care about the long term health of their lines or if the buyers get a dog that needs a lot of care down the road...
As you can see its not that issues are relegated to PB dogs.. its that PB dog breeders are HELD accountable for producing dogs with issues. This is a good thing, a very good thing!! This is what we want.
But then the AR types and rescue nazis (not saying you are.. ) go around saying PB dogs have more issues. Its a 'symptom' of a good breeder to disclose issues and health test.
No heath testing means no problems to report!
This times 10000000!
I got flack on alot of forums because i refuse to just "settle for what's available in shelters/rescue" since all I'm getting is a companion dog. Not just any dog will do, i do not like shihtzus or bichons or toy poodles or JRTs (except well bred ones like Dekka, Kat, and Wash) or dachshunds or any mix of those breeds. Those are all the small dogs that come into shelters and rescues her, i wanted a bloody pug not a fluffy dog or terrier and it's not going to change my mind with rescue people shoving fluffy dogs down my throat saying "they'll all do the same **** thing!". Rescue people remind me of used car salesmen that no matter how many times you tell them you want an lexus they keep trying to push the broken down gremlin in the corner of the lot because "it's a car and it does the same thing".
I like the look of pugs. I don't want a pug mix, i don't want any other type of dog. I want a pug because they are my breed and fit me best and i like the way they look. Why should i have a dog that i don't like to look at?
I got flack on alot of forums because i refuse to just "settle for what's available in shelters/rescue" since all I'm getting is a companion dog. Not just any dog will do, i do not like shihtzus or bichons or toy poodles or JRTs (except well bred ones like Dekka, Kat, and Wash) or dachshunds or any mix of those breeds. Those are all the small dogs that come into shelters and rescues her, i wanted a bloody pug not a fluffy dog or terrier and it's not going to change my mind with rescue people shoving fluffy dogs down my throat saying "they'll all do the same **** thing!". Rescue people remind me of used car salesmen that no matter how many times you tell them you want an lexus they keep trying to push the broken down gremlin in the corner of the lot because "it's a car and it does the same thing".
I like the look of pugs. I don't want a pug mix, i don't want any other type of dog. I want a pug because they are my breed and fit me best and i like the way they look. Why should i have a dog that i don't like to look at?
People are good at believing what they want. You say 'likely'. If you say oh here come in the back and hold your dog we are going to PTS it as we don't have room.. see if they are ok with that..
Some people won't care, but so many think that a miracle will happen for fluffy. Its like people who dump dogs/cats on the side of the road in the country. They think the animal will find a home. (I have talked to people who have admitted to dumping cats near farms)
Some people won't care, but so many think that a miracle will happen for fluffy. Its like people who dump dogs/cats on the side of the road in the country. They think the animal will find a home. (I have talked to people who have admitted to dumping cats near farms)
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I completely see your point and what you are getting at dekka. But every single hit on that disease came up with "this disease is found mostly in breeds A B and C".
*some* pb does are more prone to certain issues on average than the random mutt. Of course that is assumming we are talking about ALL pb dogs, not just screened dogs
yes, but don't these numbers come from diagnosed dogs? Not screened dogs?
*some* pb does are more prone to certain issues on average than the random mutt. Of course that is assumming we are talking about ALL pb dogs, not just screened dogs
yes, but don't these numbers come from diagnosed dogs? Not screened dogs?
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Yep. I was just echoing the same thing you said. You called us snobs, and I personally do not appreciate being considered a snob simply because I prefer purebred dogs.
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If you mix two breeds and each parent carries a gene for DM, you end up with a mixed breed with DM.
Yep. I was just echoing the same thing you said.
You called us snobs, and I personally do not appreciate being considered a snob simply because I prefer purebred dogs.Degenerative Myelopathy - Ongoing Research
If you mix two breeds and each parent carries a gene for DM, you end up with a mixed breed with DM.
I completely see your point and what you are getting at dekka. But every single hit on that disease came up with "this disease is found mostly in breeds A B and C".
*some* pb does are more prone to certain issues on average than the random mutt. Of course that is assumming we are talking about ALL pb dogs, not just screened dogs
yes, but don't these numbers come from diagnosed dogs? Not screened dogs?
*some* pb does are more prone to certain issues on average than the random mutt. Of course that is assumming we are talking about ALL pb dogs, not just screened dogs
yes, but don't these numbers come from diagnosed dogs? Not screened dogs?
as well you have the issue of people bothering to find out. Take cataracts in JRTs. I have met dogs with juvinle cataracts, you would never know from the dog's behaviour that there was anything wrong. Unless you are a breeder, or a breeder has asked you to check.. is JQ Public going to have his dog checked for things that are not obvious?
Dog gets old and infirm, so many pet owners assume this is normal. Could be a genetic disease. But once again unless they test for it, it could be labelled 'old age'