We need homes

Chaz is a fun place... but its main goal is to help with animal related problems and give advice... I did not ridicule or attack at all... I gave some advice... giving pups out for free is a bad idea... I gave one idea (donation to shelter), and Red gave another, admittedly better idea (cost of spay/neuter)...

BigDogs... no one is suggesting you lie about these dogs whereabouts... just try and make their futures a little better... you took on the responsibility of finding them new homes, now you should at least attempt to do it the right way. Red gave you a great contract, there are parts you will not agree with, there are some I dont agree with, I suggest you take her contract and modify it to fit your beliefs and then vet new homes that way...there really is no point in rescueing these pups if they all end up back in the shelter. It may take more time this way but it will be more rewarding when you know you have handed them over to good, long term homes. Good Luck.

not always...

^THIS.

You took on the responsibility of these puppies, so do it right!

No not always. Doesn't mean it isn't a possibility many people haven't ever thought of though.

The thing is, if you get enough money from the people who are getting the puppies to cover the S/N operation, and promise them the money back upon proof of S/N you will almost certainly have near 100% compliance. This means no accidental breedings, and no more puppies added to the shelter system.

If on top of that you agree to take back and rehome at any time if they can't keep the dog, then you will also likely prevent these puppies ending up in a shelter.

Put a note on the BB at your local vets, and talk to your vet about what kind of a deal they will make you on a package of 11 S/Ns. I bet you can get a very good deal, and then you can just charge that amount for the puppies.

actually i think its the 11 and these puppies? So that would most likely get you a discount

I've gotten dogs for free............yep I'm using my dogs for bait and having them taken to labs for animal testing.

I gave Louie and Valentino's other siblings for free.....yup terrible choice! Even though the owners followed up on vaccinations, spoilage, and s/n.

My sister brought her dogs from pet stores for THOUSANDS of dollars, they've been used for breeding, and she is what you would called an 'irresponsible owner'.

Then there are people that buy dogs for fashion statements get carried around 24/7 and the dogs lose muscle mass because of it.

Dog fighters? They purchase champion dogs worth thousands of bucks, why would they want a dog-friendly pet dog that will be deem worthless in the pit? These people CAN pay for a dog, I mean really if they can afford Impala's with 22' rims, they sure enough can spend a couple few bucks on a dog. As for bait, living in a low-income area, I have yet to hear people mention this when it comes to 'training', its usually either they've got it or they don't and those dogs are deemed breeding dogs to pull in more money.

Seriously people, putting a price tag on a dog does not ensure it a good home. Good screening can better ensure one than a $50 rehoming fee.

But if I were to of charged people for the puppies, then I'm a byb only looking in profitting of them

I think its an over all thing.

If you give dogs away for free you are more likely to have people who don't value them (and Jess I know you love Chloe with all your heart.. but we on Chaz are NOT normal ) If you charge high prices some people feel the need to earn that money back. IME if you charge a small amount you discourage those who want a dog to resell, to use as bait, to sell to research companies etc.

I don't value my free dogs any less than I do Pepe. I seriously don't understand why a dog that you pay for even for a million dollars is more 'valuable' than a dog you get for free? This isn't shoes we're talking about, its a life...I don't think you acn put price value on life.

I do my dogs to the vet, get their vaccinations, buy dog food, ect.

I DO have money for dogs, otherwise I wouldn't have them, but seriously not having to of paid anything for Princess the day I got, meant I could of paid my cell phone bill and buy her a new dog bed and spoil her more than I could of had I paid for her.

My dog was free.......

No one said it was 'you' personally. You as the general public. I don't know but they do. If you pay $200 for a pair of shoes people tend to look after them better than if they paid $10. I have actually heard people dis their 'free or low cost dog' simply because it was free. I have heard them say its not worth spending lots of money on vet fees because "well its a free dog after all ... I love him but I can get another (umm no you don't..) Its the same people who spend tonnes of money on a designer dog. If you spend 1000 dollars on it, it must be better than the one in the kill shelter

No one said it made sense. But I have met enough otherwise nice normal people who are like this.

In a case on my CL...someone rehomes his pit bull for free, because of a new baby.

The person he gave it to, rehomed him, but asked for money. BUT even though this scumbag did this the dog DID find a good home, even through the whole mess of being rehomed TWICED.

But then came people posting the horrid 'facts' that dogs given up for free like the first owner did are most likely to be found a terrible home or used for bait, ect...

Yes that's some people for you, but I've also heard success stories about 'free dogs' even on sites like CL and that's the general public too...I still don't see the point of the whole hysteria of OMG DON'T GIVE YOUR DOG UP FOR FREE and that it WILL be found a terrible home if you do.

I bet the OP can GOOD homes for the pups, even as 'freebies'

There are people tht never brought dog in their life nd never will nd seek these sort of ds, but doesn't men they don't spoil their dogs, becuse they've gotten 'free' dogs.

I mean if we're comparing dogs to shoes as I guess some people do...if you found an ad for some free coach shoes, never used and some never used coach shoes for retail price....people are going to go for the free shoes. Though now your job is screening though the ones who really wants one and will take good car eof the shoes & treasure them for long time and the people who really wnt one, but would throw them away after a few uses. But the person with the retail price shoes, could careless as long as they get the money for the shoes! Sometimes sadly thats some people's attitude with rehoming dogs and charging fees for them.

My dogs were both free, too. And if they weren't, I couldn't have gotten them. I think giving dogs away for free may increase the risk they will get bad homes, but this can be counterbalanced by diligence in vetting potential owners.

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This worries me more than the free issue.

In three days time, you have no idea what their health is. Have you screened the adopters? How old are the pups? They look too young to be leaving their littermates.

Puppy number 1 went to a local lady who is preparing to say goodbye to her two elderly chihuahas. I hope the puppy comforts her during the difficult times.

See I flat out disagree with this, and actually I hate it when people say that ( No Offense )I have known more dogs that were purchased that have been treated poorly than ones that friends or myself have gotten for *free* I know many, many friends who have dogs from various situations that were free and they are not less valued in any way....

People who will treat a dog poorly because it is free, will treat a dog poorly period... Good owners are not going to treat a dog better because it cost 1000's of dollars... That way of thinking really falls apart when you are involved in large parrot rescue, some of these birds have set their owners back thousands and thousands of dollars and they sit neglected and ignored in spare rooms and basements.....


As has been said, meeting the new owners and checking them out is what matters, not the price on the puppy....

BigDogs, are you listening to what anyone says, and if so, are you willing to entertain their ideas and possibly let us know what changes you are making to your rescue practices for the better of the dogs you are rescuing?

Or are you just going to keep posting, doing whatever it is you do, without giving acknowledgement to all of the people giving their time and expertise to help you find better homes for the dogs that you continue to rescue?

I'm not trying to bash, I fel these are valid and important questions to most of us.

For LEGAL REASONS, SOME fee should be charged in order to validate a sales transaction. It can be a very small fee, but there should be a fee.