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Listen, I don't care if other people have chows, or terriers or hounds, etc.

I'm not the only one who thinks such about certain dogs. As a rule, Dobies are not vicious dogs, but I had one whom I quickly disposed of when it tried to bite my homeowner's insurance agent....who had not provoked it in the least.

As for GSD's, I've met plenty of them whom I could just walk up to and hug, and others whom I wouldn't even put my hand out for them to sniff for fear that my hand would quickly disappear. Fortunately, mine are the huggable kind.

I've had Great Danes who were absolutely wonderful, and one that I called the animal control to come and get it because it had a tendency of biting children...and I demanded that it should be euthanized and tested for rabies.

I would love to have a catahoula, if I didn't have any other dogs.

There is a lot to be said for raising dogs from puppies.
I tried to contact the animal shelter yesterday, and finally got a call back after 6pm last night. I noticed the post that the lab looked like it is part pitbull, which might be possible. Now I have the image in my head of it grabbing little mop-dog Ruger and shaking the poop out of him. :-(
 

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I tried to contact the animal shelter yesterday, and finally got a call back after 6pm last night. I noticed the post that the lab looked like it is part pitbull, which might be possible. Now I have the image in my head of it grabbing little mop-dog Ruger and shaking the poop out of him. :-(
Your ignorance just doesn't stop does it?
 
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You've never seen such a thing happen before, have you? I have, but only many years ago with a hog dog who thought it was protecting me when I tripped over a little dog. The hog dog looked like a catahoula/pit type mix.

I know from experience that many pitbulls are perfectly loveable and totally non-aggressive. I still intend to get her, whenever I can make arrangements with the shelter. Those little pitbull puppies will also need someone with experience, space and time...and lots of love.
 
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...Smokey's new owners are picking her up a week from Friday. Seide will also be gone to her new home in three weeks or less. I've had some calls about Butch, whom I am sure will be sold sometime in the near future. My boyfriend mentioned that perhaps we should sell Rx.

I am now considering that maybe the pitbull daddy should come along and help mama raise those puppies. It would cost only about $65 to neuter him.
 
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The level of your ignorance is astounding.

One should not judge an entire breed by the actions of a few individuals of that breed.

One should be smart enough to contain large working breeds (GSD, Dobes, Rotties, and etc) when strangers come on their property. Inherited territorial nature is CORRECT for these dogs. Owners need to be smart enough to manage dogs so accidents don't happen. Nice of you to dump a dog for doing what it has been bred for for eons.

You offer nothing at this forum that I have seen so far but incorrect damaging information full of erroneous sterotypes and flamebait.
 

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Listen, I don't care if other people have chows, or terriers or hounds, etc.

I'm not the only one who thinks such about certain dogs. As a rule, Dobies are not vicious dogs, but I had one whom I quickly disposed of when it tried to bite my homeowner's insurance agent....who had not provoked it in the least.

As for GSD's, I've met plenty of them whom I could just walk up to and hug, and others whom I wouldn't even put my hand out for them to sniff for fear that my hand would quickly disappear. Fortunately, mine are the huggable kind.

I've had Great Danes who were absolutely wonderful, and one that I called the animal control to come and get it because it had a tendency of biting children...and I demanded that it should be euthanized and tested for rabies.

I would love to have a catahoula, if I didn't have any other dogs.

There is a lot to be said for raising dogs from puppies.
I tried to contact the animal shelter yesterday, and finally got a call back after 6pm last night. I noticed the post that the lab looked like it is part pitbull, which might be possible. Now I have the image in my head of it grabbing little mop-dog Ruger and shaking the poop out of him. :-(

Listen, here is what I think. And yeah, it matters. So sit down, zip it, and listen.

I think you're a rude, callous, insensitive person and that you are here for no other reason than trolling.

I think you are extremely ignorant when it comes to owning dogs and your words have me simply shaking me head at the number of dogs you've had euthanized due to issues, that could have possibly been dealt with via adequate training. That kind of thing just doesn't fly here.. we are dog lovers..of ALL kinds.

The number of members (and probably lurkers, too) you have offended is off the charts. Clearly you missed Sensitivity 101. And Dog Education 101. So let me tell you this.. before you let your fingers do the tap tapping on your keyboard, THINK, before you type the words out and hit submit reply.

You seem to be the type that doesn't give a rip if what they say hurts others, and to a degree, that's okay; but I'm here to tell you that the thin ice you are on is about to break. There is only so much insensitivity and asshattery that can go on before we realize that someone is here to just ruffle feathers. And let me tell you this, they don't last long.
 

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The level of your ignorance is astounding.

One should not judge an entire breed by the actions of a few individuals of that breed.

One should be smart enough to contain large working breeds (GSD, Dobes, Rotties, and etc) when strangers come on their property. Inherited territorial nature is CORRECT for these dogs. Owners need to be smart enough to manage dogs so accidents don't happen. Nice of you to dump a dog for doing what it has been bred for for eons.

You offer nothing at this forum that I have seen so far but incorrect damaging information full of erroneous sterotypes and flamebait.
:hail::hail::hail:

I dont think you should have dogs of any kind... it seems like you have put far too many animals to sleep... not every dog comes out perfect and trains itself, thats what the human is for... you think if the dog isnt perfect it should be PTS...what a cop out. Your a disgrace to pet owners everywhere and especially to people who have worked very hard to overcome training issues with their dog.

Yep, my post is rude and an attack, I could care less.
 

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You've never seen such a thing happen before, have you? I have, but only many years ago with a hog dog who thought it was protecting me when I tripped over a little dog. The hog dog looked like a catahoula/pit type mix.

I know from experience that many pitbulls are perfectly loveable and totally non-aggressive. I still intend to get her, whenever I can make arrangements with the shelter. Those little pitbull puppies will also need someone with experience, space and time...and lots of love.
Are you kidding me? ANY dog, REGARDLESS of breed has to potential to do what you are describing. Even more so if it's a byb rescue, because who knows what kind of socializing it had, and being byb chances are it might not have a correct temperament for it's breed.

Did you know that I have seen pure bred labs pick up, shake and kill small dogs like you are describing? And yet you weren't worried about that at all until you thought she might be part pit. :rolleyes:

Or what about my uncles boston terrier who was minding his own business when the neighbor's dalmation came into the yard and killed it?

If you are bringing a large strange dog home you need to keep it separate from the smaller household members FOR THEIR SAFETY regardless of what breeds you think might be in that dog's makeup. You don't have any history on the rescue, it's prey drive and how he/she is with smaller dogs, and it only takes a second's mistake for a small dog to die.

Lastly, if I was bringing a pregnant foster home I sure as heck wouldn't be letting her run around with the rest of my dogs, I'd make sure she had her own space and was kept as stress free as possible. A pregnant stressed out dog may be more likely to lash out if she feels defensive just because of the fact that she's pregnant, and it's not fair to her or your other dogs to subject them to that.

Good luck with your foster.
 

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I noticed the post that the lab looked like it is part pitbull, which might be possible. Now I have the image in my head of it grabbing little mop-dog Ruger and shaking the poop out of him. :-(
I saw this once and only once.... from a pair of supposedly sweet as can be German Shepherds. I can't get the image of these two dogs ripping this poor person's toy poodle apart. A few weeks earlier they had done the same thing to my puppy, that they pulled through the fence, just as they'd done this dog.

I have a hard time with GSDs as a breed now. Not all GSDs played with my puppy till she stopped breathing... but those two did. I don't avoid GSDs. I don't generalize the breed because of the actions of two.

If only everyone could be open-minded enough to say, "I met this dog that......" instead of "I met this pit bull that........" Dogs are dogs. People are people. We get offended if someone creates a racial slur. Isn't breed stereotyping the same thing?
 
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First of all, I am terribly sorry if I have offended anyone, and I sincerely apologize.
If any of you read my first introduction, then you should know I tend to state my opinions, but it doesn't mean that I am trying to start any arguments. I'm not trolling.

How many of you have visited the vet, who promptly and wisely muzzles the dog? Is it okay if he makes a 'generalization' about the breed? My vet often muzzles my GSDs, simply because it is protocol...and I don't throw a fit about it because I understand why.

I love dogs, too, but experienced people make generalizations because of good reasons.

One should be smart enough to contain large working breeds (GSD, Dobes, Rotties, and etc) when strangers come on their property. Inherited territorial nature is CORRECT for these dogs. Owners need to be smart enough to manage dogs so accidents don't happen. Nice of you to dump a dog for doing what it has been bred for for eons.
Did you recently read the article about the little girl whose guardians kept a rottie mix on a chain inside the house and warned the girl to not go near it? And then the dog killed the little girl.

Guard type dogs are not supposed to randomly attack people, and such animals are a danger to society. Even dog trainers will tell you that Schutzhund and K9 dogs who are trained to attack should not be naturally aggressive.
 
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I'll just say that I agree with what everyone else has said and leave it at that. You really do need to stop listening to the media hype though. And if you're going to listen to the media, don't perpetuate the lies they spread. It's a disservice to every dog on earth, and to the people that love them.
 
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You chain ANY dog and it'll be a problem. Dogs don't belong on chains. :mad:

I'm surprised the rescue will work with you knowing your vehemence against so many breeds.

If you're going to rescue dogs, you have to have a lot of patience and understanding of dogs as well as training. Allowing rescued dogs free reign of your property when they are not proven to be trustworthy is just asking for trouble.

I wouldn't allow you adopt any dog, frankly. You have way too many prejudices for my liking.

Heck, someone's pit bull got loose around here two summers ago. I called her over to me with a treat, put my leash on her and took her home. Didn't even cross my mind about her breed. I called to her, she looked at me with a friendly face and a wiggling tail and that's all that mattered. Breed is irrelevant. It's the ancestors behind the dog as well as how it's brought up that matters much more than the breed.

Your intolerance and ignorance is truly amazing. :wall:
 

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First of all, I am terribly sorry if I have offended anyone, and I sincerely apologize.
If any of you read my first introduction, then you should know I tend to state my opinions, but it doesn't mean that I am trying to start any arguments. I'm not trolling.

How many of you have visited the vet, who promptly and wisely muzzles the dog? Is it okay if he makes a 'generalization' about the breed? My vet often muzzles my GSDs, simply because it is protocol...and I don't throw a fit about it because I understand why.

I love dogs, too, but experienced people make generalizations because of good reasons.

Did you recently read the article about the little girl whose guardians kept a rottie mix on a chain inside the house and warned the girl to not go near it? And then the dog killed the little girl.

Guard type dogs are not supposed to randomly attack people, and such animals are a danger to society. Even dog trainers will tell you that Schutzhund and K9 dogs who are trained to attack should not be naturally aggressive.
The fact that an unsocialized DOG with a faulty temperament was kept outside where children could access it without adult supervision is why that little girl is dead. It has NOTHING to do with the breed of dog. Notice, that the dog was a MIX. It could be half golden retriever. It could be half BYB golden retriever, and it could have inherited temperament issues from the golden side and because nobody bothered to train it or watch their children this little girl paid the price. And in a way, the dog did too. I'm sure he's no longer walking this green earth either.

The ONLY reason it was labeled a rott is because it was black and tan. For all we know it was a GSD/lab/mastiff/maltese mix. But you know what? It doesn't matter, because in the end they are all DOGS.

The real reason why some breeds get bad reputations they don't deserve is because there are bad people out there who encourage them to be aggressive on purpose, or use the animal as a scapegoat when they fail as parents to supervise a 2 year old child outside and the child in killed or mauled. Nevermind that if the child had wandered into the road and been hit, they would have been charged with neglect. Or they breed two dogs without regard to temperament and pass on fear issues etc. to the puppies. Or the news picks up on the face that PITBULL! and ROTTWEILER!! make good headlines, and that fact that any dog with a square head and short fur could be called a pit bull, or any dog that has any kind of black and tan marking could be called a rott mix regardless of what the actual breeding is.

Breeds have cycled in popularity with that bad crowd of people. First it was GSDs that had the bad rap. Then it was dobes, and all the stupid myths about how their brains are too small for their skulls and that they would snap. Then it was pit bulls. Pit bulls have existed in this country forever, Teddy Roosevelt had one, and it wasn't until people started treating them bad in an effort to make them into guard dogs (which they are not) that their bad reputation started.

Another thing to keep in mind with pitbull bite statistics is that pitbulls and mixes are the most popular, most common dog in America right now. If something is more common, then the statistics involving accidents (and the chance that you'll have firsthand experience) are going to be much higher. I mean, how many fila brasiliero attacks have you heard of? Borzoi attacks? Those breeds are just, really really uncommon. And the kind of person who makes an effort to get one of the less common breeds, they have to get on a waiting list from a reputable breeder and chances are much higher that they are going to put in the time and effort to train and socialize their dog. And they are also more likely to properly manage that dog's drives, whether it be a guarding drive, prey drive, herding drive, or whatever, in order to keep their dog and others safe.

I'm willing to bet that in real life labs and mixes probably have just as many bites as pits do, considering how common they are and how commonly they are mixed with pits, or mistaken for pits themselves even when they are purebred.

When is a Labrador Retriever A "PitBull"? - CafeMom

If animal control can't even identify a dog's breed correctly in broad daylight with their hands on it, how can someone from the general public with little knowledge of dog breeds correctly identify some dogs that streaked by and bit them while they were jogging? Especially if they were mixes.
 
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I wonder if they fired the stupid ACO officer who couldn't tell a pit from a lab? Sheesh!
 
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Did you recently read the article about the little girl whose guardians kept a rottie mix on a chain inside the house and warned the girl to not go near it? And then the dog killed the little girl.

Guard type dogs are not supposed to randomly attack people, and such animals are a danger to society. Even dog trainers will tell you that Schutzhund and K9 dogs who are trained to attack should not be naturally aggressive.
What is your point here? A Rottweiler, German Shepherd Dog, Doberman Pinscher, Bouvier, Giant Schnauzer, etc etc that bit a person unknown to them who entered their area is not randomly attacking someone.

No one except you said anything about attacking randomly or behaving in an aggressive manner.

What is your point in mentioning the sad story about the death of that child? That stupid people should not own dogs? I could not agree more. That the parents are negligent in the death of their child? Yep, agree there too. That the dog should not have been chained in a manner so that people can approach it unimpeded? Yep, agree again. However, I still don't know what your POINT is.

People who leave large territorial working type dogs loose when strangers enter their property are not qualified to own such dogs. I pay for the stupidity of others on a daily basis, watching email after email after EMAIL about proposed legislation restricting or outlawing breeds, or requiring forced sterilization every single day.
 
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Hey, as someone told me when I first came to this boardsite, "....if you can take the heat."
I love Rottweilers. They are some of the neatest dogs. I saw a beautiful one today when I went to pick up the little pitbulls. He was already spoken for.

Mistake a lab for a pit??? She looks like a miniature skinny lab with a big huge tummy.
Daddy dog is here too.

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First of all, I am terribly sorry if I have offended anyone, and I sincerely apologize.
If any of you read my first introduction, then you should know I tend to state my opinions, but it doesn't mean that I am trying to start any arguments. I'm not trolling.
You are not sorry for offending anyone so please don't say you are. Every post you have made here has shown that your only intentions in joining this forum is to ruffle feathers and start things.

I did read your intro, right from the bat your defensive and your motives for joining Chazhound have been questionable. Your first post to this forum showed that you never had any intentions of being part of Chaz to learn and share experiences but rather to run your mouth and hide behind statements like "I don't want/have to explain myself".

How many of you have visited the vet, who promptly and wisely muzzles the dog? Is it okay if he makes a 'generalization' about the breed? My vet often muzzles my GSDs, simply because it is protocol...and I don't throw a fit about it because I understand why.
I have NEVER been to a vet that automatically muzzles a dog based on breed and were I ever to encounter such a vet I would turn and walk out the door.

To make it perfectly clear I would not want someone who believed in breed hypes and myths brought forth by the media to even lay a hand on any dog of mine.

I love dogs, too, but experienced people make generalizations because of good reasons.
I would hardly consider you experienced. You have met a handful of the dog breeds you are making generalizations about. That in my book does NOT
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Did you recently read the article about the little girl whose guardians kept a rottie mix on a chain inside the house and warned the girl to not go near it? And then the dog killed the little girl.
I don't see your point? Unless your point is that because of the stupidity of the owners a little girl is dead?
 

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Hey, as someone told me when I first came to this boardsite, "....if you can take the heat."
I love Rottweilers. They are some of the neatest dogs. I saw a beautiful one today when I went to pick up the little pitbulls. He was already spoken for.

Mistake a lab for a pit??? She looks like a miniature skinny lab with a big huge tummy.
Daddy dog is here too.

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I posted the link to the lab mistaken for a pit because you mentioned before that lots of people are wary of certain breeds "for good reason" when most of the "good reason" has to do with media hype and misidentification of biting dogs/mixes according to who the hot ticket mauler of the decade happens to be. And the fact that most people can not identify specific breeds, and will pick whatever sounds like the most likely culprit when telling someone that a dog bit them "Yes officer! It was two pit bulls!"

Also, I don't normally get irritated at people on the internet, but I am totally fed up with your waffling. First you make derogatory posts about breed Xs reliability, safety with people, etc. Then you backpedal and say "well of course they aren't all bad" but then you go back and say things like:

About chows. I've had one and I've known two other people who had one. One was okay as far as I know. One family got theirs from a pet store, when it got older it attacked one of the kids. The one I rescued from a shelter was very unpredictable and attacked people twice before being euthanized.

You mean as the song goes, "two outta three ain't bad?"
So yeah, you are generalizing about a breed. One thing I learned about chows is that many of them, like many other dogs, are protective of their famlies. And many of them also have very bad eyesight. Hopefully the bad eyesight part is limited to BYB lines, but it's out there. I know of a few chows and chow mixes who have snarled at family members, but the second that person started talking they were totally humiliated, rolling on their backs and licking their lips. They were upset and acting aggressive because they thought some uninvited and potentially dangerous individual was in their territory, and possibly posing a threat to the family.

Now if someone took a dog like that and threw it in the backyard with no socialization and then took it to the shelter a few years later, yes you'd have a mess of a dog regardless of breed. Just because a dog is a chow, does NOT mean it will start out with those handicaps, or that it will turn into a horrible mess. That's part of the responsibility of rescue, to get them checked out by a vet and work through socialization and training so they get a fair chance. Not euth at the first sign of a lifted lip as dogs coming into rescue are going through what is possibly the most stressful experience a dog could have.

As for my friends chow that growled and charged them, yes they could have had the dog put down. But then they would have lost a loving companion unnecessarily. Instead she was taken to a vet, and it was discovered she was practically blind she was so nearsighted. Now all they have to do to manage it is call out "hey Crystal" to the dog and she's fine. Never had an issue since. She's a very good and loving dog. Fine with strangers as long as they are invited. I hope that your foster wasn't put down due to a similar handicap that could have been managed with training.
 

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Good luck. You'll need it.

As a rule, Dobies are not vicious dogs, but I had one whom I quickly disposed of when it tried to bite my homeowner's insurance agent....who had not provoked it in the least.
Disposed of... What does that even mean?
My family has an American Pit Bull Terrier who twice engaged in aggressive confrontations that both ensued in small legal battles. One for which the dog was blamed and should absolutely have not been accounted for, the other was a weak and likely biased case. I fought tooth and nail and paid hard-earned money gained from working in a terrible environment that should have been used to better myself had a dog I am so attached to not needed it so urgently, so said dog wouldn't have died at the hands of an animal control worker he never knew. I also fought for my family to work with the dog, and still hold compassion for him despite whatever strings became attached to him through said battles. I do not want to fabricate assumptions, but using the term 'disposed of' is a red flag to me.

I noticed the post that the lab looked like it is part pitbull, which might be possible. Now I have the image in my head of it grabbing little mop-dog Ruger and shaking the poop out of him. :-(
Also, it's ridiculously likely that I was drawn into those situations with that dog because of people having a biased, unwarranted opinion that is not knowledgeable but all-to-commonly burdened upon particular breeds of dogs that he happened to be one of.

I feel as though the shelter that you're in contact with should know about your 'opinions', 'beliefs', and general comments, and I really hope they interview or have interviewed you scrupulously. I also hope your dogs are treated with the respect, compassion, love, and understanding they deserve.

As a note, I have skimmed over previous posts in this thread. They have not been read as thoroughly as usual. This post was written with a little more emotion than this thread is worth. It's likely it'll be re-written or deleted later.

Rarely do I ever bother to make adverse comments on internet forums, seeing as how pointless it seems most of the time to open myself to unwarranted, useless, unnecessary drama in dealing with the ignorance of people I have never even seen the face or heard the voice of, but, sincerely, you have some serious learning and re-learning to do.
 
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