Training Coon Hound to Invisible Fence

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  1. John Moon

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    I really need some help and quick, I could use all advice given. My family has a Walker Treeing Coon Hound. Now there has been a lot of controversy in this house over the dog, which is my fault, I just had to have a dog and I finally convinced my mom to get me one. It's hard to explain everything but I convinced my mama I would take responsibility of the dog, her name is Daisy, my mom wanted me to do research on dog breeds and how to train them and keep them happy and all the stuff a responsible dog owner should know. I've had dogs before when I used to live with my dad and I truly loved them, but I was taught how to train a dog the old way which turns out to be the wrong way.



    Well I rescued daisy because I love coon dogs and she was the same breed and had the same markings as my old dog Johnny who i could no longer see since me and my father didn't talk and he also sold Johnny. Johnny was an outside dog, he was rough, aggressive, protective, and super smart. But he was trained by a damn beating and even though he loved my dad he feared his every move. My mama refused to let Daisy be trained that way especially since she was an older dog. ARF the local rescue told us she was around 7 years old. Well we took her home and me and Daisy just did not click, she didn't listen, I had no idea how to train a dog and still don't. I refused to accept her as part of the family and i just walked around like a senile old man mumbling to myself about the dog, "Fucking dog, won't God damn listen, stupid motherfucker. Hate this damn dog." and that was how I felt towards her, she would use the bathroom every where wouldn't want you to pet her, I was tired of cleaning up massive 5 pound dog turds and a gallon of piss everyday. I dumped the dog off on my brother and gave up all responsibility to the dog.


    Now as time has passed I've grown to love and accept Daisy as part of the family and feel bad for how I treated her. My mom is still convinced and hate the dog and don't care if she just disappeared but that's not the case. She is a very sweet, loving, kind, free spirited dog. There's no way you can hate her unless you were the embodiment of of hatred. She has picked up herself on what is and is not accepted in our house and what we expect of her, even though I bend the rules for her a lot and completely disregarded some my mama wanted like she wasn't allowed on the couch. The problem still remains though is she isn't very well trained to some things such as a leash, a harness, a collar, staying in the yard, not barking and howling at the cats. But also for anyone that knows a coon hound then you know it isn't there personality to stay in one place and not tree and bark at small animals. We live in the country surrounded by cows and fields off a highway, we only own the one acre of land our house is on and the rest is my step papa's brothers daughters land she inherited after her father, Lyman, died a short while back. Her husband Jeff is a good man and he raises meat cows on the land. He doesn't mind Daisy but his wife freaks out and she always complains to Jeff to talk to us about keeping daisy inside or put up. It's a lot harder than they think, if you so much as don't close the door all the way she will open it and leave, if you're leaving in the morning she will dart out past you quicker than you can blink, and once she's out there is no calling her back or chasing her down she comes back on her own time. We don't believe in not giving her any freedom, but we don't want her to get hit by a car or shot.


    Deer season opens tomorrow and people hunt on this land out here and they don't have a problem shooting a barking dog. But we are very busy right now and some days we might not get home till 8 O' clock, and if you leave Daisy inside all day she drags out the trash and chews on anything. We believe she has really bad separation anxiety and it's worse if she's stuck in the house alone all day rather than outside. Plus usually I just leave the door open for her to come in and out as she pleases so she won't get thirsty and hopefully she won't roam too far and she will just come back home and settle down inside. We are having a difficult time trying to find out what to do. She hates a runner and will slide right out of a collar of any kind because her neck is bigger than her head, we tried harnesses but she just turns right around and chews through the shoulders and gets out of them, we went through so many harnesses Walmart said we can't return them no more.
     
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    So we decided to get an electric fence, and money is a very big problem for us, so our choices were limited. My mama found a wireless electronic pet fence system for 15 bucks. It's called the KD-661C. We've had it around a month now but my mama nor my brother could figure out how to work it and my mama didn't want us to mess with it because she had her mind set she was going to set it up herself and we would just break it and cost her 15 bucks. I forgot all about it until the other day my mama came to me asking me to figure it out and set it up which i did in about 10 minutes. I was still a little confused but I found the user manual today and read it and it makes a little more sense with some of the problems we are still having. Now I've been looking at how to train Daisy to this fence. I refused to put the collar on her and not know what she would experience if she were to get shocked. I stuck it around my neck and walked out far enough to hear the warning beep, I cautiously continued and I heard the long beep and knew what was coming, at first it was just a slight burning tingling sensation, what I didn't know was that there were 4 different intensity levels. The second wave hit and it hurt I was trying to get the prongs away from me but I made sure the collar was on tight enough I couldn't because I wanted to know exactly how Daisy would feel. The third level hit and i dropped to my knees and my neck tensed up and drew down to my right shoulder and my upper body was tense and i was laughing hysterically from the pain and finnaly it stopped so I scrambled to get back to the flag into the safe zone then level four hit and I dropped to my knees again desperately trying to get back across and even after i was back across it was still shocking me. I showed Daisy the flags and let her hear the beep, she already knew what the collar would do from a previous accident where we were trying to figure it out and she knows what that beep means. I put it on her and slowly walked her to the flag and let her hear the warning beep, but after that beep she just took off and I had her on the leash but she went crazy yelping and flipping out rolling and couldn't figure out her way back across so I had to pull her back as quick as possible, but she was still getting shocked after coming back across. Now the manual says after she crosses the barrier the collar gives a static shock and and the level of intensity increases from 1 to 4 every few seconds, then once that shock stops which is strong and feels like forever the collar stops for 30 seconds then starts another cycle, it has to complete 3 cycles for it to shut off if she doesn't get back in the safe zone.


    This is all very confusing to me and I have no idea how to train her she don't listen to a damn thing besides go to bed and her clanging food bowl to call her out the woods for food, which she sometimes ignores or takes 30 minutes of hauling full speed ass to get too. I don't like this shock collar I really hate it and don't want it on her at all, but my mama said we have no other choice at all. Plus like I said Deer season opens tomorrow and it takes weeks to months to train a dog to an invisible fence, but now this has the added stress of it being a coon hound, it can be done but it's near damn an impossibility. I really need some advice on what to do. I can't let her stay tied up or in the house she will get fat and depressed and she won't be healthy. She is a Walker Treeing Coon Hound, they are one of the smartest, most hard headed, set in their own ways, free, roam for miles, type of dog. Yet no one seems to understand that. We asked the vet for anti anxiety medicine or a sedative because, that's what the lady at pet smart said to do, so hopefully we could put her on a runner and she won't freak out but they won't give her anything they said to give her 3 benadryl but I don't want her to sleep all day and not be active.


    We love Daisy and wouldn't get rid of her for nothing, she's grown attached to us and we can't just abandon her, you should see how much she has changed since seeing her in the rescue until now. But my mom works from 7 A.M. to 5 P.M., my younger brother is still in school, I don't go to school during the day any more because of a lot of things so, so right after my mom gets off work she has to take me to school and get me two hours later and she can't drive all the way back home then back again, I spend my days at my cosuins house taking care of his wife's Mother since she has a lot of stuff to take care of and her son has to go to school and her daughter moved out and works, Miranda stays there but has to go to college classes during the day, so I get left with having to do that, I could tell them no, but they have done a lot for us, we have done a lot for them, we help each other, that is our family the only blood relation we have is to Randy and that's through our dad, but we are one big family, they live right across the road, which is actually 2.2 miles, but they're going through hard times right now and I know how that is and seeing my mom go through it, so I do it because it's the right thing to do. But then Daisy is left alone all day and she hates it, all she wants is to know someone is at the house, she won't pay you no damn attention unless she wants in or out. Our hands are tied behind our backs here. We can't figure out what to do on our own, and damn it the internet always has an answer or at least a good suggestion.

    I hope this is in the right place if i need too move it or not explain so much let me know and I'll change it accordingly, but please don't burn my ass for not doing things right my first post because i have went to some forums that are brutal. Thank you though for any help.
     
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    Sorry for having to finish in a comment. I couldn't post it all because it was over 10000 characters or something.
     
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    Also I suggested to my mama the only thing I can think of that will work. Put her on a runner or tie down and secure her with a harness but you'll have to put a muzzle on her so she doesn't chew through the harness or any cables, the problem will still remain she has snatched a running cable down that was set up properly, I followed all directions. The cable was for large dogs around 80 to 100 pounds. Daisy is roughly only 65 to 75 pounds. But my mama refuses to put a muzzle on her.
     

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