New puppy pics...cute alert. :)

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  1. MsBehave

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    they sure are cute!
     
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    Cuties !!!!
     
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    Verry cute.

    Who are the parents? What titles/testing have you done?
     
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    Why is this bitch that has the pups for sale? Cute pups though.
     
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    ihartgonzo and Fozzie B!

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    Omg... baby Corgi tummies!!!! I want to give them raspberries, so bad! :p

    Is Anna going to be sable or red? I want her...
     
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    TY, Crowsfeet.

    Sire is a CH and is on OFA for all testing.
    Dam is major ptd and on OFA for all testing.

    I am keeping the bitch puppy if she turns out (she will be red and white like her Mama, btw) to show, if not, she has a pet/alter home waiting for her.

    The dog puppy is going as an altered pet and will likely be doing agility and therapy work.

    Panda has a new home after her puppies are weaned and she is spayed. As my site says, she prefers to not share her home with other dogs...and my home always has at least two (but no more than four) dogs. Dogs who do not get along do not stay here, period. That is a temperament issue I cannot and will not deal with, especially with small children.

    MsB
     
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    She is going to be r/w. All r/w's as well as sables are born sable-ish.

    And, get in line for Miss Anna...she, actually both of them, have quite a fan club. :D

    MsB
     
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    then why on earth would you breed her??
     
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    Sapphire-Light woof!

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    Ahh!! they are so adorable! :D

    My favorite is the tri colored :)
     
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    PoodleMommy Yorkie Love

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    Did you try working with her at all?
     
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    I completely agree, why a breed a dog with a behavioral problem, especially one with aggressiom.
     
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    MisssAshby Richy Rich HM Twit!

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    You don't want to deal with her issues but breed her so that those who get her puppies can deal with it? I hope that you've made them aware of the issue.
     
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    She is a normal Pembroke bitch when it comes to other bitches.

    Most people would not call this an issue. Bitch on Bitch aggression can be normal. She is submissive to people, a very sweet girl. In MY HOUSE, I do not tolerate this "normal" behavior as I keep multiple bitches and have SMALL CHILDREN. There are bitches who get along in a pack,and those are the only ones I can keep in my house. I do not have kennel dogs, and I refuse to live in a divided household.

    I bred this litter in hopes of "fixing" what I consider a temperament trait I cannot deal with. If her daughter displays this "trait", she will be spayed, placed in a companion home and the buck ends there. Her dam does not exhibit this trait. So, in addition to hoping the bitch puppy turns out as a show prospect, and passes her health testing, she also must have a temperament that fits in our house.

    I am not "passing off" a bad temperament on ANYONE. My dogs are all guaranteed and there is a NO OPTION clause that DEMANDS my dogs be returned to me if their owner cannot keep them for ANY reason.

    I have busted my butt to do the right thing in my breed for almost 20 years.
    If you have never housed two or more intact bitches together for any length of time....then you should not comment. Bitch on bitch aggression is COMMON and somewhat acceptable in many, many breeds. I just find it unacceptable. Many breeders wouldnt even take this "trait" into consideration, nor would they breed away from it nor would they "tell" anyone about it. It is just another part of my responsibility to my breed to produce the best COMPANION dog I can...hoping that a few end up being show prospects and finishable pets for ME.

    MsB
     
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    There is no need to get mad. You are the breeder. You are the one who posted a link to your pup's page. We at Chaz usually don't just say 'awww cute pups'. We want to know about your breeding practices and ask the questions/concerns we might have. We expect you, as a breeder, to answer these questions without getting mad because someone is questioning your breeding practices.

    We like reputable breeders here, sadly there aren't enough in the world compared to all the bad ones. I hope you'll stick around so we can learn more about you and your dogs and breeding practices.
     
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    Lizmo, the insinuations and assumptions made by other people are unacceptable.

    You do need more responsible breeders on this board. But there are "do good" pet owners on here who attack without knowing the breed, the situation or the intention of a breeder. A little information can be dangerous and gives people a false sense of entitlement and judgment.

    I was told I was breeding a bitch with a bad temperament, which is not true.

    I was told I was selling puppies and possibly deceiving my puppy buyers, which is rubbish.

    I was asked if I have "worked with" this bitch....which is ridiculous.

    These were not questions, they were judgments and accusations.

    My dogs are one of the few of MY BREED that my vet will tell the techs do not need to be muzzled for nails(yes I do my dogs nails but just an example of a procedure other Pem owners have done) or other procedures. I have seen bad temperaments in my breed consistently over the years and I can assure you, my dogs excel in temperament as far as the average Pembroke goes. I just expect MORE.

    I do not mind answering reasonable questions regarding my responsibility to my breed and my breeding practices. But I do not appreciate being accused of being irresponsible. I have had this breed since I was 7 years old. I have known since about 8 years old that I wanted to responsibly own, breed, and show my dogs. I got my first show dog in 1990 and finished her in 93 and that is when I had my first litter after all health testing was done. I have bred six litters over the span of almost 20 years. I have started over when the only bitch I had related to my original show bitch was dysplastic. I went 9 years without breeding a litter. I have mentors who have known me for most of my life, in my breed and in other breeds. I have been "in the dog show world" since I got my first purebred at 7 years old, been a jr. member of a local all breed club since 10 years of age. So though I may be new here, I am not new to the realm of responsible breeding.

    Hope that clears a few things up,and thank you for asking me to stick around. I do not wish to bicker and if that is what this thread turns into, I will just back away and stop by occasionally. I do not come here to be the source of flames or trouble. I feel like I could have something positive to add to these boards on occasion, and I do love showing off my well planned, carefully bred and lovingly owned dogs to those who can appreciate them.

    MsB
     
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    This is the same gauntlet all new breeders get run through on this board. I know it seems very brash and confrontational, and it kind of is, but we're incredibly dedicated to a variety of causes that are being threatened by irresponsible breeders and the like. Not saying that you are, just stating our agenda. :)

    Welcome to the board and there is nothing cuter than Corgi bellies. :D
     
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    MsB, we don't know you. I've just recently started looking at your website and the puppy cam you have. You can't expect us to, right off the bat, assume you are a good breeder just because you post a website and a puppy cam.

    For someone who doesn't know you or your breeding practices, it's not out line to ask if you have worked with the bitch that is for sale. You said she was for sale because she had a temperment you could not deal with, so this would probably make most of us think 'Why is she breeding this bitch then?'. Not too out of line, I don't think.

    We are only going by the infomation you have given us. :) Maybe if you explained to us why it's normal for this breed to have aggression, it might be more helpful?
     
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    No, a website and webcam surely do not make me responsible.

    I should have clarified that I can and am dealing with Panda not getting along with her half sister and she usually gets along fine with her mother, mostly because her mother lets her be the boss. I can deal with Panda just fine. She does not attack other dogs or anything insane like that. I choose not to keep this temperament, I think I can improve it.

    Maybe if you explained to us why it's normal for this breed to have aggression...

    I don't really know how to answer that, I didnt say it was normal for the breed to have aggression. ANd what aggression are you referring to? Dog or People? Is it normal for Pems to have people aggression? NO. Is it rare? NO, unfortunately it is not, a combo of bad genetics and/or poor pack leadership.

    Is it normal for MANY breeds bitches to have bitch on bitch aggression? I'd say YES. Is it acceptable? I guess it is in some breeds. Sometimes in my breed as well. But it is NOT acceptable for ME personally. I'm simply setting the bar HIGHER than most do.

    BYB pems, and some well bred Pems can be NASTY. When I worked for my vet, I was the FIRST to muzzle Pems comign in for nails. They can be horrid. THAT is what I WILL NOT breed for. Panda, however, you could do anything with her and she would not bite. She does not attack other bitches, just doesnt like them in her face and HAS to be the boss..and is unfair about it (don't drink MY water...don't go down MY STAIRS...etc). She would get in a fight, no doubt, if I let her, as my other bitches will only tolerate so much of a dog being unfair to them.

    I like the softer, less driven Pems. I like them to be more affectionate and willing to please than always busy and nervous. They are just not wound like 8 day clocks and do not have sharp temperaments. I like that. Some would say Im breeding away from herding instinct, and maybe I am( I do not do herding with mine)...but one of Tricksies sons is herding titled...so guess Im not making them too stupid. :)

    MsB
     

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