Law Proposed to Let Police Enter Without a Warrant and Kill Your Dog (Missouri)

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Article:
http://alternativemediasyndicate.co...d-to-let-police-enter-homes-without-warrants/

Proposed Bill:
http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/documents/2015/pdf/HB/1200-1299/HB1261IN.pdf

Questionable Parts of Bill:
(8) In order to determine if there is a violation of this
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section, a law enforcement officer, at any time, may enter the
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premises where a dangerous dog is kept, or is believed to be kept,
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for an on
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site inspection of the premises.
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SECTION 4.
(1) I
f a dog is determined by a law enforcement
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officer to be a dangerous dog, then the dog may be destroyed by
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the law enforcement officer, or his designee, provided that two
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(2) of the following requirements are met:
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(a) The dog is running at large or not
under proper
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restraint when on the premises of its owner, or leashed, muzzled
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and under the direct control of the owner when off the premises of
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the owner, as required under this act;
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(b) There is no vaccination tag around the dog's neck;
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(c) Attempt
s to peacefully capture the dog have been
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made and proven unsuccessful

(2) Use of deadly force is permitted when a law enforcement
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officer, who confronts a dangerous dog, reasonably fears for his
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or her safety or the safety of others in clear proximity
to the dog.
Cops already shoot dogs way too much, I dread the law that explicitly makes it LEGAL for them to do so. :eek:
 

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I definitely don't agree with some of those provisions, but this law is proposed for Mississippi, not Missouri.
 

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I definitely don't agree with some of those provisions, but this law is proposed for Mississippi, not Missouri.
Oh, it is? Yikes ... now thats a little too close to home for comfort. police are often all too happy to gun down unarmed PEOPLE! there was a huge story on the news about police here shooting an unarmed young adult 8 times! I myself have had a gun pulled on me by a cop when he stopped me for speeding, I was reaching into my glone box to get my wallet, and I see the spot light from his cruiser come on, and I look at my window to see a gun pointed in my face. So yeah ... they dont need any more reasons to shot ****.
 

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Oh, it is? Yikes ... now thats a little too close to home for comfort. police are often all too happy to gun down unarmed PEOPLE! there was a huge story on the news about police here shooting an unarmed young adult 8 times! I myself have had a gun pulled on me by a cop when he stopped me for speeding, I was reaching into my glone box to get my wallet, and I see the spot light from his cruiser come on, and I look at my window to see a gun pointed in my face. So yeah ... they dont need any more reasons to shot ****.
Well, there are those in the general public who are only too happy to gun down police - did you see the news story of someone pulled over for a traffic violation and opened fire out their window when the cop walked up to the car? Police dash-cam caught the incident. There are idiots on both side of the 'shooting' debate and I could see where a cop would be extremely nervous about someone reaching into a glove box...
 

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Shouldn't police be used to seeing people reach into a glove box/compartment? I mean, isn't that where everyone keeps their registration? I've never had a cop pull a gun on me for getting my registration out of my glove box. They shine their flashlight there (if it's night) to see what I'm getting, but they've never acted nervous about it.
 

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That's crazy. I am not a total cop-hating/bashing/whatever person, however cops shooting dogs in their own homes/yards happens WAY too often. To give them another excuse to continue doing it.... It's really quite sad. I saw some were trying to train their officers more on dog body language etc and how to handle it. Guess that's not the case in Mississippi.

Some of the shootings could have been prevented by the owners, for sure. When I hear of people's lose pit bulls, etc, in the inner city and "my dog was just shot right in the street!" I have to question why your dog was loose in the first place. But a vast majority of them seem to either be non-emergency calls, or they're at the wrong house, or they're running through a backyard where a dog happens to be in it's own backyard (and rightfully startled) and then shot for barking at an intruder. Or a dog is truly not aggressive and you can clearly tell from body language but obviously cops don't know enough. More education on this certainly needs to be pursued. UPS truck drivers, postmen, etc, all deal with dogs on a daily basis and somehow manage without having to whip out a gun, so I really don't understand why the majority of cops can't either.

They are trying to make a documentary on it.
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Shouldn't police be used to seeing people reach into a glove box/compartment? I mean, isn't that where everyone keeps their registration? I've never had a cop pull a gun on me for getting my registration out of my glove box. They shine their flashlight there (if it's night) to see what I'm getting, but they've never acted nervous about it.
I don't, and I've been told not to keep my registration in the car in case it gets stolen. In any case, all I'm required to provide is my insurance card for the car. Still, there's a difference between someone asked by the cop to get their registration/insurance, then reaching for the glove box, and someone (however innocently) reaching for the glove box BEFORE the cop talks to that person or asks.
 

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Still, there's a difference between someone asked by the cop to get their registration/insurance, then reaching for the glove box, and someone (however innocently) reaching for the glove box BEFORE the cop talks to that person or asks.
I agree. I mean, not that I'm on board with cops being trigger happy, but I was told early on to keep my hands on the steering wheel until I'm actually asked to reach for something. Easy enough to do, and if it makes the cops more comfortable...fine.
 

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I agree. I mean, not that I'm on board with cops being trigger happy, but I was told early on to keep my hands on the steering wheel until I'm actually asked to reach for something. Easy enough to do, and if it makes the cops more comfortable...fine.
If I don't have the cards in my hand when the cop gets to my window, I ALWAYS tell them I need to reach into my purse/glovebox/whatever to get the cards when they ask. They have a job where anything can happen and if I can make things a little less stressful for them, then I will definitely do so.

If I'm reading this correctly, this new law only applies to dogs already declared dangerous, correct? I think it's a bit far reaching, but with already designated dangerous dogs it's a little less horrifying than with any dog.
 

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If I'm reading this correctly, this new law only applies to dogs already declared dangerous, correct? I think it's a bit far reaching, but with already designated dangerous dogs it's a little less horrifying than with any dog.
It does, and I was actually thinking the same thing, although the Mississippi law also states that any dog resembling a pit bull is automatically a dangerous dog.

I originally wasn't completely appalled by the law, because I was thinking of my state, where a dog does have to actually 'earn' a dangerous dog designation. At that point, I think a whole lot of responsibility falls on the dog owner to keep that dog safe. But throw in the BSL...and the law is pretty awful.

a) (i) "Dangerous dog" means:

1. Any pit bull dog in a class of dogs that
specifically includes the breeds of American pit bull terrier,
American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier,
American bulldog, and any other pure bred or mixed breed dog that
is a combination of these dog breeds.
 

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I agree. I mean, not that I'm on board with cops being trigger happy, but I was told early on to keep my hands on the steering wheel until I'm actually asked to reach for something. Easy enough to do, and if it makes the cops more comfortable...fine.
Wow. Things to remember if I ever get pulled over whilst driving in the US. I never would have thought twice about reaching down to get something or over to my glove box.
 

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Wow. Things to remember if I ever get pulled over whilst driving in the US. I never would have thought twice about reaching down to get something or over to my glove box.
I think it is probably a very small number of officers who would react negatively if you did; maybe more if you were in a major city. I didn't ever even think it was weird to be told that honestly. There was all this uproar about how awful it is that parents have to teach their African-American sons to keep their hands visible so cops don't get jumpy, and I was just thinking...duh? Caucasian woman here, and I was taught that as well.
 
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I was a white male in rural America and taught the same as well. Mostly just don't go looking or reaching for things until they ask for it.
 

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I was taught that as well.. usually there is a 5 or so minute delay between getting pulled over and the cop approaching the vehicle. I use this time to get out my license and registration and have it ready.

I hate to think that a police officer wouldn't be able to do what they needed to do if a dog they thought was dangerous was in the picture. I don't think something like looking for someone to be arrested on drug charges warrants killing someone's dog. But if someone was in trouble (domestic assault, robbery, etc) and they couldn't get to the victim because of the dog-they can't walk away. The problem is plenty of cops aren't sure what a dog's intentions are until the dog bites. Hell I bet plenty of us might not be too sure either.

I definitely think so many of the cop-shoots-dog stories are ridiculous and especially when there is a video that comes out, it makes me sick.. but most police officers aren't like that..
 
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I think it is probably a very small number of officers who would react negatively if you did; maybe more if you were in a major city. I didn't ever even think it was weird to be told that honestly. There was all this uproar about how awful it is that parents have to teach their African-American sons to keep their hands visible so cops don't get jumpy, and I was just thinking...duh? Caucasian woman here, and I was taught that as well.
TO be fair, the whole "Talk" african-american women have with their son is what the issue was...and it was way more than not reaching into their glove box and keeping their hands visible
 
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I definitely think so many of the cop-shoots-dog stories are ridiculous and especially when there is a video that comes out, it makes me sick.. but most police officers aren't like that..
ANd that is true.. BUT the problem comes from when it DOES happen, nothing is being done to fix it nor are they usually held accountable (and I am not even talking criminal charges).
 

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ANd that is true.. BUT the problem comes from when it DOES happen, nothing is being done to fix it nor are they usually held accountable (and I am not even talking criminal charges).
This.

Honestly, it has never occurred to me not to reach into the glove box for my registration. I'm pretty sure in Indiana you have to have it in the car with you.

I've been pulled over many times, and since my glove box is a mess I'm usually digging through it when the cop gets to the window. One time I did have to reach down and get my purse and was asked what I was reaching for, but that's it. I'd probably pee myself if I turned around and there was a gun in my face-cop or not.
 

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I think it is probably a very small number of officers who would react negatively if you did; maybe more if you were in a major city. I didn't ever even think it was weird to be told that honestly. There was all this uproar about how awful it is that parents have to teach their African-American sons to keep their hands visible so cops don't get jumpy, and I was just thinking...duh? Caucasian woman here, and I was taught that as well.
As a caucasian woman in her 30's, I have had a weapon pulled on my when i was reaching for my identification (which was in my glove box). He turned his spotlight on me, and next thing I know, I was looking down the mouth of his handgun. I put my hands where I could see them, and he was like. "What were you reaching for!" to which I replied "This!" and I brandished my wallet at him, he relaxed and holstered his weapon ... congratulations, officer, you almost shor an unarmed civilian for nothing (and yes, I said that).
 
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