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Darkchild aren't you such a star.
Adjortis you do that, because Unless the owner didn't inform me I have no known dogs that have ever been in a shelter.(Except Chikoze, may she RIP.)
Irresponsible owners such as yourself toss away perfectly great dogs like they are sets of clothing
What are you, god?
You don't know thier situation, so how can you comment? Its people like YOU That put people off owning dogs at all, afraid of getting told off for giving a dog a chance in the first place.
I knew a family who's little girl had cancer, as part of the last chance Org, her wish was to get a dog.When she died the family couldn't take it, and took it to the shelter I used to work in, where she met a person that gave her a lecture on how irresponsible she was and how she was unfit to own any animal.They didn't know the situation, and didn't spare her feelings or even ask WHY this dog was going to the shelter, Like you, they just stuck thier nose in and had a right go at her.

Ever Asked why Island dog can't care for her dog anymore?
Of course not, 'cause your know everything don't you, your the best dog owner there ever was, weren't you?

Think before you speak people.
 

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No I'm not a star. I'm a normal animal loving human being.

As to the woman with the little girl there are reasons to giving up dogs. Heck i gave up a few of mine. BUT there are ways to be responsible about giving up a dog like trying a breed rescue or rehoming yourself. If you ask me seeing what i have seen in shelters and just in my own life. Shelters are the worst places, if you truly care about the dog how hard is it to find a home for it yourself or take it somewhere that is dedicated to finding the perfect home for the perfect dog. The dog i got from the shelter (Walker) if he had went to a non dog experienced home he would have most likely been taken back. Yet they let him go with a 16 year old. He is a very headstrong independent dog that needs a dog experienced owner but did the shelter care. NOPE. They have to many dogs to be picky.
 
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I agree.Shelters do not ussually screen homes and dogs often go to Non-expeirenced homes, but if you're a non expeirenced owner, how do you get expeirience if you never own a dog?
 

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I was lucky adn was started out on a tough breed to own (pit bulls) but my mom was raised with Bostons and Beagles my dog in her hands alone would not be anywhere near as trained as he is. You gain experience by working your way up to the hard to own breeds, First start out with say a Poodle or Lab then progress on.
 
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What are "Hard" Breeds?
Can't any breed be considered "hard"?
Just because its a pit-bull doesn't mean It is hard to train or look after.My mother herself owned one when I was a teenager, and he was a sweetie! Very easy to train, no agression and just a really nice mellow laid back dog.
I find it Much harder dealing with my goldens and poodles most of the time!
 

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Most true APBT are hard headed independent dogs with a mind of their own. Not to say they arent sweet Tytus is more of a lap dog then my moms Havanese if you even look at him wrong he gets upset. They just arent easy to train if they are true to the breed.

Another hard one is what my next dog will be. A Fila they are hard to train and need a dominant personality owning them they are not meant to be house pets they are true working dogs. Yes they make great pets but their main purpose in most parts of the world is a working dog.

Most working breeds are what you would call hard. They have minds of their own need a dominant personality and someone who understands how to handle a dog. THats just the facts of life.

ANd most Goldens and Poodles i know live to please their owners and should have that type of personality. Goldens are actually one of the recommended types for first time dog owner so sorry but if your arent that way and dont have that temperment they are not a good breeding specimen.
 

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So I didn't have to retype it here is a copy and paste from my blog:

If you breed a dog with genetic defects, you will get a puppy with genetic defects. Wheather it is a designer mutt or a purebred. Standard Poodles have hip problems, so do Labs and Goldens. Guess what, labradoodles and goldendoodles have hip problems too. I am a dog groomer and unfortunately we see tons of these genetic messes of dogs. I have several Goldendoodles that I groom that are barely a year old and are so dysplastic that they are looking at surgery. We have a Yorkiepoo that comes in that is crippled because he has a rare genetic disorder where his vertebra didn't fuse properly and now the dog has severe neurological damage and can barely walk on its own. There is a puggle in my dog's obeidience class, guess what, he is brachycephalic, just like a Pug, and guess what, he has breathing problems. I groom alot of these desginer breeds and guess what? They SHED. I have to listen to the owners complain because the dog sheds and because it is untrainable. Almost every goldendoodle and labradoodle I groom (and that is quite a few) are extremely hyper and uncontrolable despite having been through obedience classes. Do you want the list of all the problems I have personally seen with these mutts? They can have just the same problems as a purebred dog. The only difference is that people who enjoy supporting puppy mills, or are just ignorant enough to not know any better are buying these thinking they got something better than another dog. I like mixed breed dogs but I do not think people should be breeding them on purpose and I certainly think that they should NOT be represented as "healthier" because they are not. I go down to the Holmes County puppy mill auction, The buckeye dog auction, and see first hand where these types of dogs come from. I see them dumped in my local pound weekly. There is currently a goldendoodle, puggle, shihpoo, jackapoo, and lhasapoo there right now. The number 1 reason is because they shed and cause allergies and were gauranteed they wouldn't. Where are the "breeders" now that that dogs are unwanted? Why aren't they taking thier inferior quality animals back? Before you buy a dog PLEASE people do some research! There are over 400 recognized purebred dogs. If you can't find one dog to suit your needs then maybe you shouldn't have a dog. NO responsible breeder breeds mutts on purpose, and designer dogs are nothing more than that, mutts. PERIOD!
 

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Ever Asked why Island dog can't care for her dog anymore?
No. It doesn't matter. I offered to help her re-home the dog without asking for any explanation at all.

By the way, as for your example with the girl that passed away. That is tragic, but was the shelter the only place that the dog could have gone? Far too many people use shelters as a place to dump dogs without considering other options. Rescues, breed specific rescues, re-homing to a friend, back to the breeder, etc.
 
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I got my girl From the shelter at about 6 years old.
Verderben, who's to say that were only allowed those breeds for the rest of time? I bet most newer breeds were called mutts in thier time, but eventually they were recognised and suddenly the people who called them mutts became thier best freind or even a breeder, so give them a chance.I'm trying to get my dogs all the way up to F20-25 so they can be a recognised breed, and all this slating of them can stop.
No breed is better than any other dog, its all about whether they fit your lifestyle.An active person may say Bc's are the best dog, while someone that lives in an apartment and has little free time will say that a chihuahua or any other lap dog is best for them.
Also, ANY Breed can have HD, Be hyper and shed, its all down to owners and breeding.Personally, I think my dogs don't shed much at all, and I think someone mentioned that for some breeds, HD and hyperactivivty are part of the standard.PUREBRED dog's standards.Your entire post there just seemed like a bunch of labels on a dog that can be truly great if given a chance, just like any other dog out there.But many people will not give them a chance, simply because of looks,breed ect.

Thats something I love about goldendoodles, they have variety.At the shows I've been to, all the dogs look the same, act the same and have no personality or anything that makes them stand out in a crowd.Dogs are disowned or gotten rid of if they don't have something so trivial as the right eye or coat color.As this forum says, its about the temperment, the personality and the behaviour of the dog.Unfortuanlty in the eyes of judges and the AKC This is not the case, all they want is a pretty dog.
If that's what purebreds are supposed to be like, heck Im glad my dogs are a mixed breed!
 

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As this forum says, its about the temperment, the personality and the behaviour of the dog.Unfortuanlty in the eyes of judges and the AKC This is not the case, all they want is a pretty dog.
If that's what purebreds are supposed to be like, heck Im glad my dogs are a mixed breed!
There are plenty of mixed breed dogs with great temperaments, great personalities, and great behavior waiting in shelters.

Why breed more dogs that prevent those dogs from getting adopted?
 
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Thanks Goldendoodler. He's a purbred aussie. we have a female mickey who is also an aussie with very strange coloring. both are sweet and loveable. Your dogs look that way too. good luck with your breeding program. hope all goes well.
 

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Unfortuanlty in the eyes of judges and the AKC This is not the case, all they want is a pretty dog.
If that's what purebreds are supposed to be like, heck Im glad my dogs are a mixed breed!
Seriously? Didn't you claim, earlier in this thread, that you show your dogs?

If so... it's kind of bizarre that you refer to dog shows as simply parading around "pretty dogs". Dog shows are held to preserve manyyy breeds. Without dog shows, the conformation that distinguishes each breed could be pretty much whatever any random person wants to breed. I am not a show person, and I disagree with showing SOME breeds (Border Collies in particular), but it's just immature to regard show dogs as "pretty" and "no personality", as a whole.

The beauty of buying a purebred dog from a reputable breeder is knowing what you're going to get. If you buy a Standard Poodle puppy, whose parents have earned their CH title, and whose parents have passed health clearances & temperament tests, you KNOW what you are getting. With any F1 mixed breed puppy... it is a complete crap-shoot. Honestly.

I'm not trying to offend you at all, I'm just curious, if you want to work up to F20-F25, why are all of your breeding stock either Golden Retrievers, Labs, or Poodles? Why are you breeding such a massive amount of F1 litters?
 

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You know you can have your own shows so that your breed is only judged by experts in that breed. The JRT american nat specialty often has over 1000 dogs. Conformation is one of the big parts of terrier trials. But we want no part of the AKC/CKC
 
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Hi Goldendoodle:

I was mocking Herschel (of course he/she didn't get it) for the ridiculous statement telling me I was unfit to own any dog because I didn't have what it takes to adopt a dog from the pound/rescue. I was going to tell her/him that I decided to have her stuffed or make a designer jacket, but again, wouldn't have got it.

There are not a lot of dogs in the pound where we live and I wasn't interested in anything with pitbull/rottweiller/shepherd/husky etc. I don't want a pet that has problems. My choice, just as I wouldn't adopt a child with problems. I wanted to know the health and temperament of what I was getting - not just go and pick randomly and hope for the best.

For those who have rescued dogs - great, big pat on the back, you're wonderful, blah blah blah. But that's it - it was what you wanted. For those of us who don't - get over it. Live and let live.

I couldn't be happier with Molly and I take the rant some of these members spew with a grain of salt. It indicates the need for people to take a look at themselves and decide whether they should be breeding as they are not contributing to the betterment of the human race. Morons marry/hooking up with other morons and breeding without thought - far more damage done than breeding mixes of dogs.
 

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I agree that if the local shelter doesn't have you want, go to a breeder. But to assume all dogs in rescue, shelter have issues, and those that come from breeders can't, is silly. I have worked with rescue. Most of the dogs were great, their only issue was being bred by a byb who would sell to anybody with the $$.

And really there are lots of people out there who shouldn't own dogs, but do. Doesn't make it right.
 

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Some of us reach an age or time in our lives when taking on a pure , well breed pup just doesn't work into our lifestyle , or more important isn't fair to a pup . This is when a rescue is the answer . Worked well for Ollie and me !
 

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Verderben, who's to say that were only allowed those breeds for the rest of time? I bet most newer breeds were called mutts in thier time, but eventually they were recognised and suddenly the people who called them mutts became thier best freind or even a breeder, so give them a chance.I'm trying to get my dogs all the way up to F20-25 so they can be a recognised breed, and all this slating of them can stop.
No breed is better than any other dog, its all about whether they fit your lifestyle.An active person may say Bc's are the best dog, while someone that lives in an apartment and has little free time will say that a chihuahua or any other lap dog is best for them.
Also, ANY Breed can have HD, Be hyper and shed, its all down to owners and breeding.Personally, I think my dogs don't shed much at all, and I think someone mentioned that for some breeds, HD and hyperactivivty are part of the standard.PUREBRED dog's standards.Your entire post there just seemed like a bunch of labels on a dog that can be truly great if given a chance, just like any other dog out there.But many people will not give them a chance, simply because of looks,breed ect.

The point is Goldendoodles will never be a breed anytime soon. No one has any goals for them other than make a quick buck. They have been around long enough there is NO reason people should still be breeding first gen crosses. If anyone was really trying to make them a breed they wouldnt be making first gen crosses still. They were solely created to make money. Dogs from long ago and even new breeds now are created with a goal in mind other than making money, also most new developing breeds aren't still breeding first gen crosses by the thousands 20 years later. Every doodle breeder is the same, oh *I* am trying to really make them a breed, then you look at thier site and its the same as every other puppy peddler site.
 
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I agree that if the local shelter doesn't have you want, go to a breeder. But to assume all dogs in rescue, shelter have issues, and those that come from breeders can't, is silly. I have worked with rescue. Most of the dogs were great, their only issue was being bred by a byb who would sell to anybody with the $$.

And really there are lots of people out there who shouldn't own dogs, but do. Doesn't make it right.

I didn't assume anything - your words not mine. I agree there are people who shouldn't own dog - But, I was being told I was unfit because I didn't get a dog from pound/rescue. Makes a person wonder about the intelligence of those making judgments after reading one post.
 

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I was mocking Herschel (of course he/she didn't get it) for the ridiculous statement telling me I was unfit to own any dog because I didn't have what it takes to adopt a dog from the pound/rescue. I was going to tell her/him that I decided to have her stuffed or make a designer jacket, but again, wouldn't have got it.
In fact, I did get the joke. I wanted to see if you would cave and start ranting away, which you did. Buying a dog from a back yard breeder doesn't give you any more predictability about her temperament than if you would have rescued.

I stand by my statement: If you honestly believe you "don't have what it takes" to adopt or rescue a dog, I don't think you are fit to own a dog at all. I can understand hesitation or not being able to find the right dog, but to presumptively block out the idea is just ignorant. It isn't about being self-righteous, it isn't about putting down back yard breeders. It is about being so touched by these amazing animals that you can't stand to see another one suffering on death row. I guess Molly hasn't had that effect on you yet.

I bought my first dog from a BYB. I don't regret it--Herschel is everything I could have ever wanted. However, I learned so much from the entire process and it is a mistake that I will never repeat. Its interesting that you make all sorts of assumptions about the intelligence of others while you haven't been able to learn a single thing about ethical breeding.
 
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