Dont put your puppy in a cargo hold!!!

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Its the 20th century... most things are done via internet and by shipping puppies. Researching kennels isn't that hard.. nor is it to prove if they are real or not.
 

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you didn't state your opinion, nowhere in that post did you say "in my opinion" or "As far as Ive seen" or anything like that. you made a big generalized and insulting statement to not only those who breed dogs and ship pups responsibly, but those who own dogs from breeders who ship. and you expect people not to get offended?

"Any good reputable breeder will NOT SHIP a dog"
:rolleyes:

People can get offended all they want. I am not here to bow down to people who might have a different opinion. I'm entitled to my opinion as well as you are to yours.

However I myself would not ever buy a puppy from a breeder unless I was to pick the puppy up in person, see the entire property of the breeder and I am not saying the inside of the house but the grounds in general. I want to see where the puppies are kept. What the play area is like, I would want to know if they were raised with human interaction. This way I can assure myself that they did not come from a puppy mill. I would also want to know and to have the breeder show me any health testing she or he has done on the pair of dogs that were bred together.

I myself have seen Japanese Chins on line when I was looking for a puppy from $300 to $1500 and I was leaning toward the $1500 breeder because she is local, does the health testing before the breeding and is not a BYB. She is well known in the show ring circuit as well as agility circuit.

I have talked to many people at the dog parks I go to and when they have a puppy I always ask where they got the puppy from and unfortunately a lot of people mention a pet store and I know for a fact that the pet store they got the puppy from came from a puppy mill. One so far as went to say that the puppy came from a puppy mill and they were thinking about adopting but they could not turn down buying her because she was so cute.


As for me saying any reputable breeder will not ship their puppies is in fact my opinion I don't think I would have had to clarify that by saying "In my opinion". Also and I will now say "in my opinion" a reputable breeder would want a prospective customer to visit them and see the puppies in person, would allow them all outside access including out buildings such as barns etc so that they can show the customer that they do not run a puppy mill.

That is my opinion although you may disagree with it and you are certainly entitled to.
 

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#83
There are loads of ways you can get to know people with out seeing them in person. And there are ways to see how the puppies are raised. You can send other breeders you know out to do home checks (like how rescues do it for long distance adoptions) you can have a web cam that shows how the puppies are.

its only a barrier if you let it be. As a breeder my goal is to get my puppies the best homes possible, not some arbatrary set of rules.

and I agree you come across as a horses rear... that is my opinion. By insulting some members and some well known great breeders by your opinion... it makes you come off well, a little donkeyish.
 

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People can get offended all they want. I am not here to bow down to people who might have a different opinion. I'm entitled to my opinion as well as you are to yours.

However I myself would not ever buy a puppy from a breeder unless I was to pick the puppy up in person, see the entire property of the breeder and I am not saying the inside of the house but the grounds in general. I want to see where the puppies are kept. What the play area is like, I would want to know if they were raised with human interaction. This way I can assure myself that they did not come from a puppy mill. I would also want to know and to have the breeder show me any health testing she or he has done on the pair of dogs that were bred together.

I myself have seen Japanese Chins on line when I was looking for a puppy from $300 to $1500 and I was leaning toward the $1500 breeder because she is local, does the health testing before the breeding and is not a BYB. She is well known in the show ring circuit as well as agility circuit.

I have talked to many people at the dog parks I go to and when they have a puppy I always ask where they got the puppy from and unfortunately a lot of people mention a pet store and I know for a fact that the pet store they got the puppy from came from a puppy mill. One so far as went to say that the puppy came from a puppy mill and they were thinking about adopting but they could not turn down buying her because she was so cute.


As for me saying any reputable breeder will not ship their puppies is in fact my opinion I don't think I would have had to clarify that by saying "In my opinion". Also and I will now say "in my opinion" a reputable breeder would want a prospective customer to visit them and see the puppies in person, would allow them all outside access including out buildings such as barns etc so that they can show the customer that they do not run a puppy mill.

That is my opinion although you may disagree with it and you are certainly entitled to.

I live in Farm country, and would NOT allow anyone into my barns to prove anything, nor would my neighbors... I know I am not a puppy miller, and have established relationships with my puppy owners who have both gotten to know me and checked me out... I would rather loose a puppy buyer, that have one demand to go through my barns, or tour my property... That just feels, I don't know... Invasive?

As for shipping, I understand the reservations, I have shipped puppies in the past,, but knew the owners through mutual friends in the breeding world and the JRTCA nats, and was very comfortable sending the pups (14 weeks old typically) I would be more hesitant now to ship, only because I am more educated about the process... However I would not rule out a breeder as a "Bad" breeder because they ship...
 

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I picked up Aesop in person. However, before I even arrived on the property to meet the pups, I was aware of his breeder's goals in breeding, his socialization methods, details about the pups' personalities, and what health testing both parents had. I was easily able to double check the health testing as well..not hard to do for most of the basic certifications. If I were to move to another state, I'd have no issue with his shipping a pup to me when we're ready for another dog. (no plans to move, but just saying..:p)

I've yet to meet a byb who could answer any of those questions in a manner that wouldn't make any person with any knowledge on the matter turn and run. (and working in a vet's office, I meet a ton of bybs:rolleyes:)
 

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#86
I've always avoided it anyway, but thanks for the information and thanks for caring enough to try to do something about it. Lately, I've seen more and more people "carrying on" their small dogs but unfortunately at 65 and 55 pounds each, that might be a little difficult for me.
 
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Thanks for sharing this. I was just pondering on whether to fly my puppy to the city where I live or just leave her in the country where she is. I decided to leave her there because aside from having more space to run around in and having someone to look after her, she's actually happier there. Good thing I read this, thanks for making it a sticky!
 
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Huh. I never saw this thread.

My dog was shipped to me from Alaska, to Houston, to Vancouver. At 8 weeks. They had obviously taken good care of him. His crate had been cleaned, he'd been fed and given water, and he came out tail wagging, wanting to play.
 

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I too have had a bad experience. I was receiving a border collie puppy from my friend and breeder and when the pup arrived the door had come open she had escaped at some point during transit and was limping and bleeding!
I was reimbursed for the cost but the trauma the poor girl went through is unacceptable! FYI it was with Northwest Airlines.
 

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Just picking up on this thread and wanted to post about our recent experience. We got a new dog, Cocker, and had her flown from Texas to Utah, Delta. I don't know what happened to her on that flight, all I know is that when she left Texas she was a spunky happy little girl, when she arrived here she was terrified of everything. It has been 3 months and I doubt she will ever get over her fear. It is to the point she wets and messes if anyone comes near her but us. She now trusts us but is still very nervous, any sudden movement or noise. She is a champion, I have seen her in the ring, I have talked to her handler and breeder as well as another breeder who helped us get her all people I know and trust.
She was suggested to us because of her bouncy, outgoing personality. Now she is not nervous she is terrified, I wish we had've driven to get her, it is heartbreaking to see what has happened to her. I just wish she could talk so we knew what happened so we could better help her.
 

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Romeo came to me through Delta. From Indiana-Connecticut, he came out of the crate happy as a clam, a little hungry but otherwise totally fine. Everybody was really nice, Romeo was fine, they gave him a lil bit of ice in his dish because they said he seemed a bit thirsty. I thought it was a great experience, MUCH better than my driving because a) im a horrible driver and b) romeo gets carsick lol

hes small, so he flies in the cabin now, of course I like it better when hes right there with me instead of under the plane. but if necessary, I wouldn't hesitate using delta cargo again.
 

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i knew that is very cold for the dogs in plane, the problem is if you have a big dog,...for long distances i think is better to send him with train, or boat, than with the plane, even if he makes that distance in a longer time
 

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I've flown with horses. It's cold.. it is freaking cold on a cargo flight or in cargo. BUT we never blanket or try to keep them (horses) warm as they may sweat and be wet and cold and become sick. I have flown on Air Horse One and it was a nightmare of cold for me. BUT the filly arrived in Arkansas healthy and happy. As far as the heat goes, I would expect it to not be HOT at 30,000 ft.
Truth be told I would rather my crate trained pet NOT be handled by staff on a commercial liner. My pet (likely a foster) will be happy in their house and have whatever they need...other than a potty break. BUT they aren't getting a potty break at 30,000 ft regardless. Just leave them in their "house." It's a safe place.
 

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Logan was perfectly fine when I flew him. We flew on Frontier. I saw him when we were laid over in Denver and he was on the tarmac calm as could be, just chilling in his crate. When we arrive home he was also calm as could be in his crate.
 
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I have talked to her handler and breeder as well as another breeder who helped us get her all people I know and trust.
 
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I had to carry medium and large dogs before and I did not have the person who adopts the dog to come fly and rent a car to drive back or twice I have made the trip by car to myself. It is also surprising to see the rescue teams that will coordinate cross-country transport.
 
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Airline companies should do something about it. I hope the government could help us because those poor animals are suffering. Cases like those should be immediately acted upon.
 
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This Post Confirmed What I Always Thought to be True!

Wow, thank you so much for this. My little girl is so tiny that she can easily be a ride on, but I mostly drive anyway when I go anywhere, because I cannot bear to ship her and be apart from her because she is so sensitive. I am shocked to hear that there are so many bad things that can happen to your dog on these flights.

Like, in the back of my mind, I thought stuff like this was possible, but I've never said anything because I knew people would say that I was being paranoid or that I just care too much about my dog. Now I have verified proof that these places aren't safe for animals. God Bless you for doing what you're doing. You're going to make some headway in this struggle. I feel it.
 

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This rings a bell...Mollie had a rather interesting experience with this. She was being shipped with her little brother around the age of 3 weeks from Florida to California and was supposed to go in the cabin; however, there was no one traveling with her. The airline made a whopping mistake, and poor Mollie and her brother traveled in cargo. They got the full experience - forklift and all. Luckily, they were just fine and didn't even wet their crate once, it being a 7-11 hour flight. I was so proud of her! (In case anyone's wondering, her brother was being shipped to one of our friends.)
 
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