What is your opinion on Vets giving advice on Training/Breeding?

For one let me say that YOU are not most of the Vets I have seen or been around. MOST vets will do EVERYTHING in their power to discourage even giving raw bones. Not to mention the fact that I have never had a Vet that actually DID anything with their dogs, IE obedience, show, agility...etc

That is why my first post said it depends on what experience/knowledge the vet is speaking from.

I think alot of people DON'T want to hear what doesn't fit THEIR agenda. If they want to breed and YOU are telling them what it involves and why they should or shouldn't it better match their own opinion or they don't hear you. Vet or no.

And lastly, That poor pupper.........I hope they change their mind, if not they are probably the type to put it down once it becomes a "nuisance" to care for

I actually had a vet who bred and showed whippets, so she was extremely knowledgable... when she saw Auggie's short toe she said "You absolutely shouldn't breed this dog!" I was already going to neuter him - he was on contract to be neutered - but clearly she must have thought it very important to pipe up with her opinion.

But I guess she's not the ordinary and doesn't count. =3
I think most of it probably is that they don't think they should "step on toes" and give their input. I don't know why... given how many people think their vet's word is law, they could do some serious good by saying a few things. =/

I was readin last night, someone on another forum I'm on went to their vet to have their AmStaff chipped.

The vet wanted to chip it as a PitX and she eventually had to pull out her dogs papers to prove it, the vet also went on about how he bred a samoyed to a kelpie to get black samoyeds and how everyone that bought a puppy was AMAZED his dogs didn't roam.

I think that they are a vet, neither a dog breeder or a dog trainer. You're general doctor doesn't know everything about life either.

Soooo true. Maybe if your in the "click" of things this wouldn't happen. :lol-sign:
Ya know, I can't help but think of neglect once something like Periodontal Disease sets in ... ohh wait, I musta learned it all wrong. Forget it.

The worst is when you have a vet that tell you your dog has aggression problems .

~Tucker

what did they say tucker?

No doubt most people hear what they want to hear. I think the thing we tend to forget is, unfortunately - the internet is a small minority of the people we actually see. I can guarantee you many of my clients are not on the internet and discussing responsible pet ownership.

I don't think they would euthanize him, he is already 11 years old - I just don't think she believes me that this is a serious medical problem.

I have a handful of of clients who don't believe me that their dog is in pain, those are my favorite ones.

I'd say it depends on the vet. There is a vet up here who breeds BTs and has a VERY strict breeding program. I would trust her opinions on breeding without a doubt. My own vet, who I love dearly, is a rescue nazi and not a single person who brings their dog to her (and I know this because I used to work there) is planning on breeding nor do they have an intact dog over the age of 1. She would be the last person I would send anyone to for breeding advice as her advice would be "Speuter that dog and let me point you and your potential puppy buyers/adopters in the direction of these dogs at the rescue I volunteer for." At the same time, I would ask her advice on raw feeding as she has had extensive training in this field post-graduation from vet school.

Training, on the other hand, I will not take her advice. I have heard her give some very ignorant advice to a fellow staff member about her Rottie . . . who she said was "protecting" his mother, when frankly he had some fear in him and only saw the need to "protect" her when he was on leash. Of course I pointed that out and she told me I didn't know what I was talking about. Yup, I have no clue . . .

But then again I don't trust most trainers to give me training advice. What is that saying? The only thing that two trainers can agree on is that the third trainer in the room is wrong? It's true.

I go out of my way to find old-school, and often literally old, vets. This is because their animal care philosophy tends to match mine, but also because they have a heck of a lot of experience. Do I take what my vet says about breeding/training/diet/breed ID, etc as gospel? No. But they (a man and a woman, partners) have seen a lot more dogs in their lives than I have. They've seen dogs with serious problems of all kinds. I respect and value their opinions. They have had years of education (which does teach them something) and even more plain old experience. Heck, sometimes I call my old family vet, now retired, for advice.

On the same note, though, I value the advice of my family members (who have had and worked with dogs all their lives) on these issues as well. I value the advice of those who have seen more, and know more than I do. It doesnt' mean I always take it, but I'll ask for it, and listen if its given. I'll probably also do my own research, and call an expert if its important. But I'll certainly consult with the vet.

First off I have to say I love my vets. They are great about refering people to trainers, specialists etc. They don't like raw feeding (they had to put down an entire litter of golden pups due to insuficient skeletal development, because the stupid owner only fed the bitch muscle meat :yikes: !) But always comment on how great my dogs look

As for the original post, the vet should have at least inquired as to what a puppy class entailed, maybe went to watch one, before making such a judgement, esp as you are a client.

I have been to three different vets with Duke in an attempt to find a vet which I found best suited the lifestyle I wanted with Duke. Though all three were against raw, the one I decided to settle with does have quite a bit of knowledge on dog sports ( something I want to get Duke involved with). I think like everyone said, vets really depend on the individual, that's why I shop around.

stop right now. you are not in vet school, ms cato. nor are you a ring sport dog trainer nor a gymnast nor any of your other careers you do not hesitate to lie about, just knock it off.



vets are not breeders, nor do they feed and show dogs for the most part (some do, some are great at repro and neonates and nutriton, or one or all of those, but that is the minority). you think macaroni and cheese would fix your cresteds luxating patellas, remember melissa? you are not in vet school, i woul dbe willing to bet you are not in school at all unless it is for your ged.

and to help you out, all vets are national and state licensed, genius. you have to pass the board exams. next you are going to say you are in med school. or maybe rocket scientist is your next pretend career. could be anything but what i am sure about is its not true and your advice on this and other forums is dangerous and incorrect and should be immediately disregarded. you dont even know the diff between gamma rays and x rays. you didnt even realize your dog was crippled. you live in a world of baloney.




i like fried baloney by the way.



sheepjoke

I want to make it clear, I know MANY, MANY AWESOME Vets, I am by no means lumping all Vets together on this topic. I know and compete with several excellent Vets. I also understand how many vets, have to tread carefully with some clients and therefore soon shut up etc. The vets that I know, one of their biggest complaints is about over weight animals, but if they push, the client just walks away and finds another vet that doesn't push.
My Vet is AWESOME...........the Vets I was complaining about........if you need something stitched up, Incrediable!! Amazing job. They all have their strenghts and weaknesses.................

Kim, you sound like a really good vet. I would go to you if I lived near you.

Hey cronie .. Falcon was never a cripple like yall said. Never.
I never said I was a pro gymnast, I said ML Retton was my idol in high school.
I am in school and will graduate in 2008. I do train my dogs in Ring Sports. I was the one to bring up gammas ... yall cronies had to google to sound edumicated.
Falcon was a good Chinese Crested pup... he has no health issues like you cronies spewed nor was he a "crap" dog.
My son IS NOT a degenerate like yall cronies spewed, and yall cronies advise is dangerous ... BBC proved that.

Here is my Falcon who was cut to pieces by the cronies on BBC.


We thought he was beautiful. To hell what yall cronies thought, it's just regergitated spew.

I don't think this forum will allow animals to be bashed, at least I hope not and I didn't see anything yet. Yall cronies can talk all your jive about me, just leave my animals, son and mother alone this time. Wait didn't NoNoNanette join here too. I hope these Mods are ready for the romper room.

yall? sorry don't know that word. And anyone can train a dog, but as we are talking about in this thread is reality vs impressions. The vet had the wrong impression of the reality of puppy classes. The vet should have went to see for herself. (ms Cato..if you would like to post vids of you training your dogs, or post their show records etc..then we could see how well you are doing)

falcon was a pet with bad knees, no two ways about it and he was killed by your german shepherd though you tried to pawn it off on a stray shepherd. where is that dog, anyway, ms cato? the sable shepherd you said you imported?what happened to the other cresteds you had, ms cato?



you are not in vet school, give me a break. this board seems pretty good except for your misinformation and lies. it would be against the law to say you are a vet or give vet advice when you are not. where will you be doing your internship, ms cato? what is your specialty? remember it will not be long untill it is 08, and people can see forthemselves that you are no more a vet that you are a rocket scientist.

i dont have any plans to bash your dogs and im actually not bashing you just informing this board of your behavior and lies. i can direct them to your posts on pluba if you'd like and they can judge for themselves. i believe i saved the pics of falcon with his terrible knees anyone can see. but i wont post thsoe as they are not my photos. i can however pm them to anyoen interested. i certainly have nothing to say about your child except i feel sorry for him. not his fault and no one should comment on him imo.


you have never trained a dog to any title and you get them and get rid of them like they are trash, or they get killed due to your negligence.



i do not have cronies and the facts about you are the facts, you have tried to act like you trianed police dogs on a police dog trainer forum and were banned, you have been banned from pluba nd the better breeders corner and i am sure there are many i am missing.
i simply do not want you giving out false information that could cause someone or their dogs harm, plane and simple. i hope the mods on this board can understand the importance of this, i am just betting they can and do.




sheepjoke

... it's just never ending lies with you people.

You make it up as you go. *PUKE*

Please post your pix of my Falcon here. I wanna see. Melissa Cato.