The "anti-breeding" forum?

I was on another website looking for pictures of Catahoula bulldogs (someone told me Voodoo was a catahoula bulldog, but I digress), and was looking on the site forum for more info.

I ran across a former member (one with a grudge against Chazhound), who mentioned the "anti-breeding" forum they used to belong to. This person didn't say Chazhound by name, but I know this was the forum the person was referring to.

That really irked me. I don't think we're an anti-breeding forum. I think we just encourage responsible breeding.

What do you think?

Sounds like this person is a irresponsible breeder and fails to see it, maybe? If they are blinded by their own bad practices is easy to see that they'd be blinded by the fact that Chazhounds is for responsible breeding, not poor ones.

I've never found this site to be "anti-breeding" at all. People here tend to be passionate about responsible breeding, perhaps this person has something against that?

Honestly though, I've seen behavior like that on a few forums. It's like backstabbing gossip really and it's a silly waste of time that reflects badly on the gossiper. My mother always told me that if one of your friends gossips about other people, you've got to wonder what they're saying about you when you're not around.

Don't let it irk you, people aren't stupid and a lot have mothers like mine.

Well it sounds like that person has a issue, and its theirs too keep. I like this forum, why? Because the people her only want everyone to look at and focus on the broad aspect of the game. Not just to breed to breed.

I believe that if anything, I have found that this forum encourages Honesty. Over and above anything else. Which is truly appreciated. So let them speak, let them preach. If anything we know the truth and that is all that matters.

I would much rather we be an "anti-breeding" forum than one that doesn't care about irresponsible breeding practices and encourages people to go ahead and do whatever they want.

I can only see someone who wants to breed their dog and was told not to saying something like that about this forum. There are plenty of threads where members were excited about responsibly bred litters or planned breedings!

I agree that Chazhound seems like a great group of folks that really care about the canines who can't speak for themselves. "Passionate" is a word that definitely comes to mind....

With that said, for the most part, Chazzers are great about the way they put forth the things they are passionate about. You can make a great deal of difference in the way that you approach things though. I understand where dogs are something very near and dear to the heart of everyone on Chazhound, it can sometimes be difficult to be eloquent, but respect goes a long way, especially when you are chastising something someone is doing.

Ie -

"You're so stupid for breeding your dog. There is no excuse for it to get pregnant! You ignorant slob, you're bringing mutts into the world! You are the spawn of satan!"

vs.

"I really feel that you should educate yourself a little bit on the statistics surrounding dogs in shelters, etc" -- you get the point?

I have met a couple of Chazzers that are less than respectful in the way they respond to things but for the most part, they're a top notch group of folks. I have belonged to many a forum where people are not so eloquent with their wording, but have found that for the most part, there are plenty of people who are adults (or can act like one!) here that can express themselves without grossly offending.

You catch more flies with sugar than honey, as they say.

Straight to the point and that is why I appreciate this forum. I too have been on other forums. Many of the individuals on them can be ignorant and rude as you have stated. That does not help anyone at anytime.

I know in past personal experiances, no matter what you, I and or others say! If they want to breed, they will breed. If you attempt to give them proper advise, generally these people feel that their good intentions are being attacked.

Years ago, we lived next door to a puppy miller. I could not beleive that I was less than 100 feet away from the &&&&&&&&. No matter, the poor Goldens (2) would be bred each and every heat cycle. These dogs did not even carry the resembalance of the breed. They actually looked like Irish Setters. The temperment as well was so off it was nuts.

I attempted to speak to her on many occaisions, well who was I to say anything. So just to be a bitch, I went over to a freind of mines and brought over his Champion Golden Retreiver, (BEN). He was the prime example of the Goldens quality. Well as soon as she seen the dog, Is he fixed? I said no!

How much to breed to him? She asked. I stated he is not available at any time! She said why? Well as you can see the quaility of dog he is? He must be breed to the same and or better. It is not about lining your back pockets with the over population of the breed and or breeds. Its about edicate, education, but most and for most. RESPONIBILITY.

So yeah I really beleive what you said was true and too the point. It is all about the approach.

Eh, I'd rather this be an 'anti-breeding' forum, then an advocate for irresponsible breeding. I know of a forum that applauds those things.

There are alot of forums that pick and prod at EVERY breeder, and try to bring them all down even if they are very responsible.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I used to be a member of a forum which had a breeding section... it was more so "pro breeding," where everyone said "awww how cute" to everything that was being bred... ugh!

I don't think this forum is anti breeding, but pro responsible breeding. I am all for responsible breeding to better the breed... but I cannot stand irresponsible breeding, and I have a tough time keeping my mouth shut when people brag about the poor breed specimens/mixes that they are producing.

Is there a problem with being anti-breeding?

Not in my book!

I think that everybody here just tries to inform people about breeding, the right way of doing so and also not breeding.

I have never worked at a shelter or voul. but with the stories I hear from you all I would never consider breeding. Yes I did get my pups from petstore not proud by any means, but I now have learned ALOT from all and will spread the word now.

So NO I don't think Chaz is Anti-breeding, and if it were so be it!

~Alisha

You are right! There are too many people who brag about the mixes that they breed and at that some purebreds. I know with my experiance, it is too hard to keep up with those people.

The lady behind me with the Goldens, had two litters of 10 per yr. She bragged how she had made $500.00 per dog. That is $5000.00 per litter. The poor dogs would end up having, No less than 60 pups each. Two dogs had all together no less than 120 pups. So then when Fanny would end up in distress with the last litter and had to be spayed. This is what I had heard. What the **** we just lost $5000.00.

So I do not have any issues as to being anti breeding, if it is directed to the right areas. These idiots need to be shut down and not allowed to have and or own a dog ever in their lives.

I like my 1 litter per yr, and like that I know where most of them go. Breed for a reason not a season I say.

Someone has to breed good purebred dogs, or in as little as 5 years, there would BE no good purebred dogs.

Responsible breeding is NOT bad, should NOT be looked down on, and should not be stopped.

By the same token, people who breed in an irresponsible or unethical manner should be called on the carpet about it, and not coddled.

JMO as always.

^^^ Agreed.

Discouraging responsible breeding simply because there are many dogs in shelters is one of the worst things people can do, IMO. Responsible breeders are what keep breeds going, and they are desperately needed in ALL breeds. Stopping them would be disastrous.

I'd rather be anti-breeding than support irresponsible breeding, but I can't think of a bad thing to say about what responsible breeders do.

Yes I am game for that, RESPONSIBILE BREEDING. It takes such a tole out of me to try and restructure the human mind. I just received a call from a woman that has a Rottie;

This dog is not trained and takes her for a ride, as well is so distructive that she is beside herself. THe dog was tied to the porch with a muzzle on the other day. Well go figure the dog would get off the tie and run off with its muzzle on.

Well the dog would be picked up by the SPCA. Go figure they would give them my no# with high recommendations. So now I am discussing the situation in regards to the training of the dog. Well they do not have the money to invest in the training. I am just beside myself. Well I did discuss the fact that she should consider to have the dog altered. OOOOOOOOOPSIE, wrong statement:yikes: . They have can you beleive this 4 to 5 Rottie females lined up too breed the dog too.

So I explain to her, if you think you are having trouble now, with a untrained 1 yr old male Rottie, wait till he gets laid! She said that this is what her son wants to do.opcorn: So I have made an appointment to go to her place friday. I am praying that she and her son can come to terms with this and I can get through to them. Hey please pray that I am not too tough on them. You know I can be a bit of a B"H"

Ok, I think this forum is for responsible breeders. Which is great! If you are going to have puppies, you must make reservations before hand. And make sure of everything. But I think the forum is great! No breeding is probably the best breeding if you are not ready for the puppies. hehe. Well, there is my opinion. Its nothing against you of course.

I've only ever seen one other forum, besides this one, that strongly advocates responsible breeding. Chazhound is one of my favorite places because they don't simply respond to irresponsible breeders with "awww, how cute." WTG Team Chaz!!!

agreed agreed agreed.