how many puppies is normal?

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Look i dont have kids yet i dont equate kids abuse to dogs.

As I said mistakes happen we are not judged by them..

And im not talking about abuse dogs get but neglect where they are dumped.

Im a breeder and my site says dump my dogs in a shelter and after i get the dog back i will HUNT you down. The contract states I will take my dogs back not matter the reason or the excuse .

This give the buyer a back up if life hands them a curve that even the best people cant keep a dog for 15 years. 2 Guarantee's in life death and taxes not keeping a dog.

So feel if more breeders just took care of the dogs they bred on purpose or by accident the amount of neglect or abuse would be cut by half ..

I have room to take back ever dog Ive ever sold...... So to be that is the first and most basic think about breeding the responceablilty for the dogs, than comes the ofa tt and show or work.

Regards to abuse case which was not on topic but I will respond
Does not mean you cant make a decision in abuse cases to do the mercy thing and take back your dog and put it to sleep ending the suffering.

Now maybe im too BROOKLYN but if you abuse my dog my pup i will spend a nite in jail after you get back a little of what you gave .

I have made mistakes and sold to people who neglected my dog so im not perfect the dog has been back here 3 years now . And i beat my hand to the point of blood when i saw the life he was living and had to smile to get the dog back I did what it takes to make sure he came back to love .

Sounds like your pups were born to love just keep in touch with them and make sure they live and die in love thats all.
 

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Stick around Paula this is a great forum you will see I promise:D
Once you get to know us more you will totally understand why you got some of the reaction to your thread. YOu will be like OHHH DUHHH!! LOL
 
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I think what people are trying to get at is that you should be a little prudent because there already is a serious overpopulation of mixed breed dogs out there, overflowing shelters and being put to sleep everyday because there are no homes for them.
I'm with you! Maybe breeding dogs (and cats) should be completely banned. I know most breeders probably do it the right way and I wouldn't want to take the way you make your living away from, but since the shelters are all full why breed more dogs...

Let me tell you where I got my dogs! The first one was picked up from a guy who put an ad in the papers, this dog has been severely beaten and kicked and was in very bad shape. And when I say very bad shape I really mean BAD! This dog couldn't even take a 5 minute walk to the park, half way there we had to carry her back because she was exhausted. This dog has had 9 previous owners! The first month she was only lying in a corner in the hallway, shivering in fear...

The golden retreiver was taken from a dog farm. The dogs where treated so badly there that we just took 2 dogs and told the guy that he's out of business. Trying to stop us my hubby left him with a broken nose :D
One of the dogs we took didn't make it, but at least we got one out!

Paula
 

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Remember that breeding responsibly should almost never earn you any money. Doing the proper test, vet checkups for mom and pups, and other costs should usually cost more than the $ you make for the pups! If RedyreRottweilers was still here you could have taken it from her! She has been under THOUSANDS of dollars with her breeding.
 

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Right now our loss for the year looks like nearly a thousand. Not quite as bad as last year! This year isnt over yet though and i have some major training to do that I need some pro help with. Cha Ching $600 a month!:yikes: So I really wont know where were at till the end of the year.
There is no money in breeding. I cant wait for the year we break even!!:D
 
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I agree I hope one day to break even but after 10 yrs still very much in the red . My hubby pays the bills and the dogs are our kids since we dont have any of the human kind.
 

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sorry for my overdramatic relpy everyone! just one of those days and i am taking it out on the wrong people

i am gald you got the dogs fixed

sorry again dont know what i was thinking

shame on me
 

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Hey...Im not talking to all of you by any means, but when someone new comes on here, and is not trolling, asks an honest question, is it really necessary to jump down their throat. When I started on chaz, I didnt know a quarter of what I know now. Lucky for me no one jumped down my throat when I asked certain questions. Lets just try to be nice and not make people feel stupid for asking questions.

Even if we know its something we dont agree with, we can educate not intimidate.
 

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Yep, I agree Moxiegrl. I came in with some concerns and I probably sounded bad, but I've learned so much now and I'm glad no one jumped down my throat, otherwise I don't know if I would have stayed and learned all I know now.
 

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red hasnt bred penny yet,
Probably not but she's probably spent a lot of money in tests, shows etc so far! And that counts, too.

Paula, good for you for getting the dog spayed! Wish you had puppy pictures though :D And great thing you guys did rescuing those dogs, IMO.

And I hope you stick around.
 

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Probably not but she's probably spent a lot of money in tests, shows etc so far! And that counts, too.
yuh and its all been worth while, penny got food results in her OFA test and she just achieved her AKC CH, lol


Paula do you have some pics of your dogs :D
 
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puppies

Look i dont have kids yet i dont equate kids abuse to dogs.

As I said mistakes happen we are not judged by them..

And im not talking about abuse dogs get but neglect where they are dumped.

Im a breeder and my site says dump my dogs in a shelter and after i get the dog back i will HUNT you down. The contract states I will take my dogs back not matter the reason or the excuse .

This give the buyer a back up if life hands them a curve that even the best people cant keep a dog for 15 years. 2 Guarantee's in life death and taxes not keeping a dog.

So feel if more breeders just took care of the dogs they bred on purpose or by accident the amount of neglect or abuse would be cut by half ..

I have room to take back ever dog Ive ever sold...... So to be that is the first and most basic think about breeding the responceablilty for the dogs, than comes the ofa tt and show or work.

Regards to abuse case which was not on topic but I will respond
Does not mean you cant make a decision in abuse cases to do the mercy thing and take back your dog and put it to sleep ending the suffering.

Now maybe im too BROOKLYN but if you abuse my dog my pup i will spend a nite in jail after you get back a little of what you gave .

I have made mistakes and sold to people who neglected my dog so im not perfect the dog has been back here 3 years now . And i beat my hand to the point of blood when i saw the life he was living and had to smile to get the dog back I did what it takes to make sure he came back to love .

Sounds like your pups were born to love just keep in touch with them and make sure they live and die in love thats all.[/QUOTE

You are so very right. Our doggie contract states that if in which you need to sell the dog for any unessarry reason the dog must come back to us. We offer a full buy back contract for each purchaser. Although it stipulates all depends on the condition of the dog upon the return of the dog.

Mind you we only breed our dogs when all areas are secured. Sure there are mistakes that can happen. It happens to the best of us. But when you notice you dog in season you always take the best precaution for her. You never know that desease the male may be caring which will cause a serious infection in the dogs uterous so the last thing you want to do is allow your dog to suffer over a simple mistake.

You are very lucky I am speaking to the origanal poster that your dogs delivered as well as they did. What would you have done if your dog would have hemoraged and or could not have delivered the kids. (DOgs) Here an emergancy c_section after hours is $1600.00 and that is just to walk in the door. SO yes you lucked out. Your dogs had their kids you realise the work involved and you did the right thing. We are proud of you there.

The thing about puppies, they are always cute when they are young to most potential dog owners. but as they grow and get into trouble the novilty rubs off. So with that statement the dog gets pushed and shoved from home to home. That is our concern. As far as kids, Well honey again another sticky subject that I really think that you should search out for yourself. If you do not like what those kids went through and or go through think about what may be happening to you dogs kids. And they are the ones that really do not have a voice to complain about it. Human kids do.
 

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The number of pups depends on the breed. 13 seems a lot but is not totally unheard of for a golden or a labrador.Our largest litter at our kennel was 14. With much attending (round the clock) of rotating the pups while they nursed and making sure mama didn't step on them we had all 14 succeed. The usual number for our golden retreivers and labradors was 8.
There were two businesses at the location where the kennel existed. One was a sign shop. That one was to fund the kennel;). Field trials, travel expenses, food bills, water bills, vet bills, kennel maintenence, training supplies and trainers is not possibly able to be funding by boarding and litters alone especially when breeding is done responsibly IMO. It is a passion of the heart not a profitable business venture.
 
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My 1st 911 C Section scared the hell out of me I even refused to bond wiht the pups until mom survived the surgery. I told my husband if I kill her by breeidng her take the pups to the other breeder with pups and I will never breed again. I course i freaked out and the Vet said calm down..

She was find one pup got stuck and it was the one female that we bred the dog for the pup died. We tried one more time and she did it again 3 males and 2 dead females this time I said to the vet at age 5.5 SPAY her i cant take this stress.. So we dont have a female from her.... ONe day we hope for a grandkid from a male...

The cost of both c sections and puppy care and supplies and chips and reg was more than we charged for pups.....

On top of this our 1st Multi Champion OFA good fci excellent National winner cgc fci tan was killed by hunters. We are down to 1 Stud and 1 pet intact alive from this litter in which the mom was spayed young to save her life.

Life of a breeder a good breeder is not a bed of roses or a bed stuffed with cash it is filled with heart break, huge bills than only get off set when you have puppy breath and happy buyers - creating something a line that will be remembered forever.

Kudos to the AKC Champion!!!!
 

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Paula's Pet, no one here "makes their living" by breeding dogs. Responsible breeders usually lose money on each litter because of all the health testing and vet visits, not to mention all the time and money that showing the dogs takes. Just thought I'd clear that up. :) I'm glad you got your dogs spayed, good for you!

BTW, no one here is against mutts either. It's just that with so many mutts dying in shelters, it makes no sense to breed more.
 

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Yeah, Red may not have bred Penny but she sure has been there and done that with breeding!
 

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I haven't started breeding yet (and won't for a while) but I've begun writing my contract/purchase agreement, and here's a quote:

We will take puppies back at any time during the puppies life, and will either keep the puppy/dog, or we will find a suitible home for the puppy/dog to live happily. If you are not willing to give us the puppy, then we must have 1st dibbs on the puppy if it is to be sold. (We will not allow our puppies to be placed in a shelter, or sold to a broker, puppy mill, or bad home.) If we cannot purchase the puppy, we will assist the owner of the puppy in finding him/her a good home.
Also, Paula, when I 1st came here, I didn't know alot either, and I really thought of leaving because I thought people were so rude, but they were only trying to help. I hope you stay! You can learn SO much. I know I did, and I still need to learn more! :) I'm glad you got your puppies spayed! Do you have any pictures of your 2 girls?
 

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