What's going on USA?

I'm serious, I would like to know how you think we can evoke a change in our government.

So it's only struggling if they struggle in the exact same way as you? People ARE struggling to make ends meet. Lots of people live paycheck to paycheck and will face losing their homes/lives/food/whatever if this doesn't get resolved. What possible gain could we get from that happening?

Well, I'm glad that some of you think this doesn't really effect many people's lives, that it's blown out of proportion, and that this is good because the government needs a trimming and government employees make too much money.

Oh I definitely don't think this thing will help at all and think all the politicians need to be slapped upside the head right about now...

The little people will be the ones hurt and that exemplifies what is wrong with our government.

EDIT: Changed my mind, decided not to wade in past my knees

i don't think you're serious and I'm not about to go into listing 10,000 ways to change things. It can be answered in a principle which is a much easier way of living life, and hold them accountable. but people won't, the care more about whether or not they think abortion should be legal than they do about no bid contracts, positions being made for friends. they care more about how their officials want to go about legislating morality than they do about their elected official sucking dick in an airport. They care more about what their "guy" says about immigration than they do about the fact that 10 of his companies regularly hire illegals to push out competition or that they sign laws to send work overseas.

Think about it, you'll figure it out. Maybe.



yeah, that's what I said or....... I don't thinka lot people today really know what a struggle is. the people that went thru this "great recession" still lived better than most in this country ever have.

what could we possibly gain by things hurting? Think about it. I could give you my opinion, i have, but again it will just prove my point that it's obvious why we are here today. I'm guessing you'd be more inclined to tell me why I'm wrong, than actually think about what was said. Interested more in why your side is "right" and mine is "wrong" and proving as much than look at what is really going on.

If things hurt enough, maybe things will change. If they don't, we won't. It's kind of human nature. Why so many want things to just continue on like "normal"???? and think that will be better for everyone?

Awwww, and here I was going to point out that clearly you hadn't heard about Spears enough because her name is BRITNEY Spears, not Brittany...

It's HEARING about her (at the height of her mess) ...I really had no clue how it was spelled, hahahaha. I've seen it spelled 9 ways to Sunday, I even have a good friend who named her daughter Bryttni, so ya...guess I better take the easy way and say Spears if I have need in the future :rofl1:

Ok!!!!! Obviously some divide.... !!!

I'm serious, I would like to know how you think we can evoke a change in our government.

We may not be getting another female gorilla anytime soon, since the National Zoo is shut down, and that's where she was going to come from. Our Mexican Wolf move (shipping ours out for retirement and getting a breeding pair in) is also a no-go now since they're government-owned animals. Our new pure bison won't be coming in anytime soon since the nature reserve they're from is a national park. So yeah, it affects us.

I think that basically if you have a job connected with the federal government you are negatively effected and if you don't you really are not. I don't think that anyone believes that nobody is negatively effected. I would like to see congress lose their current pay, as well as the ability to vote themselves pay raises over this.

The DNR might not actually be effected-I think that might be a state thing? I know that Indiana's DNR has been making announcements that all of the state parks are still open (because the national ones are not).

I think what RTH is saying is that often it takes a big painful (one way or another) event like this to shake the population out of its apathy. Yes, public outcry can make a difference (look at the recent Syria situation). The truth is that the surest way to make sure something like this will happen again is to say "what's the point--nothing will ever change anyway."

For the record, most people I know who have been affected, does not have a job connected to a government in anyway. It's definitely affecting other people.

For the record, most people I know who have been affected, does not have a job connected to a government in anyway. It's definitely affecting other people.

IDK, at least in this area, most people are not directly effected. They may be inconvinenced, but not truly facing any kind real hardship as a result. Again that doesn't mean everything is a-ok, but it's not the country has fallen apart as a result of the shutdown. I can't think of anyone I know in RL who is directly effected. Most people I know connected with government deal with the state, which is still up and running.

So ya, I'm sure there ARE families hurting and I'm sad for them and I do worry about them........but again, very small percentage comparatively and something a whole big bunch of the rest of us faced a short time ago. Where was the world wide outrage then? Just saying....