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When it's easier to obtain a gun than it is mental health services, there IS something wrong in the picture. Nobody is trying to take your guns away and ban them but they have to be regulated.

I don't think this is the wrong place or time to discuss policies to keep us safe. And these regulations ARE political. Nobody is starting a debate about guns in the thread about the shooting.
 

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They where his mothers.
Yep purchased legallyby the moter and illegally posessed by the shooter. Symantics I guess.. They were legally owned by someone

Seems he had a vendetta against his parents. No guns would have prevented this? So you think so? I don't. That kind of hate and EVIL will not be thwarted by lack if easy access. Do you think if he went to get the guns and none were found that he would have been like "oh darn... Well i guess i will just change the oil in my car today instead of slaughtering my parents and innocent children"

Especially when you can look on youtube for directions on how to make a homemade bomb. OH but maybe only 15 kids would die and 5 would bw horribly scarred and disfigured
 

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I do think that political hay will be made of this in regards to gun laws for sure. The governor of Illinois was already talking to the media about tighter gun laws.

I can't say I totally blame the politicians though. They are in the business of selling themselves to voters and when something senseless like this happens people want SOMETHING done that will make them feel safer. Just giving the people what they want, and more the better if it falls into their agenda.
 
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I do think that political hay will be made of this in regards to gun laws for sure. The governor of Illinois was already talking to the media about tighter gun laws.

I can't say I totally blame the politicians though. They are in the business of selling themselves to voters and when something senseless like this happens people want SOMETHING done that will make them feel safer. Just giving the people what they want, and more the better if it falls into their agenda.
Sarah Brady has made it her life's mission to ban guns, she is already using the Newton tragedy to this end.
 

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Food for thought:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

"Only with gun violence do we respond to repeated tragedies by saying that mourning is acceptable but discussing how to prevent more tragedies is not. 'Too soon,' howl supporters of loose gun laws. But as others have observed, talking about how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a string of mass shootings isn't 'too soon.' It's much too late."

"'Since 1982, there have been at least 61 mass murders carried out with firearms across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii,' they found. And in most cases, the killers had obtained their weapons legally."
 
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Its not that hard to get a gun in a lot of states. CT though, is one of the more difficult ones (legally).

Some of the lowest murder rates are in VT, NH, and UT, which have rather lax laws. Other states with lax laws have really high rates, MS, AL. California and Texas have near identical murder rates with very different laws.

It is a very complicated issue intertwined with poverty and mental health.
To be fair, states with a higher amount of crimes are more likely to propose gun control to reduce the problem. States with a low amount of crime and lax gun laws are that way because the discussion is not urgent. Compare to states or areas where gangs run rapid( California, Detroit, Birmingham etc) and people deal with wackos with guns on a daily bases, their opinions on guns will be a lot lower than someone in a safe community whose people only use guns for hunting and having fun.
 

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It's not like he bought them on the black market or anything, "All three weapons that Lanza had with him were bought legally and were registered to Lanza's mother." But, really, that's not the point that I was trying to make. The point is that in most mass/spree shootings, the guns used were purchased legally. That is a problem. Gun control laws are not about taking your hunting rifle or personal protection gun away, they are about preventing guns from getting into the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
 
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It's not like he bought them on the black market or anything, "All three weapons that Lanza had with him were bought legally and were registered to Lanza's mother." But, really, that's not the point that I was trying to make. The point is that in most mass/spree shootings, the guns used were purchased legally. That is a problem. Gun control laws are not about taking your hunting rifle or personal protection gun away, they are about preventing guns from getting into the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
Well, the problem is how do you decide?

Many people fit some sort of profile, but will never do that. Many people who might do it avoid health services where it is available. Some of the states with stricter gun laws are strict because of prior problems, but they have been strict for decades. How long do you look before you say they're a failure?

Regulating the guns themselves is complicated. Millions of magazines already exist. Millions of semi automatic guns already exist (including millions of shotguns and rifles used for hunting.) The last assault weapon ban basically targeted scary LOOKING guns. To come up with something that will actually work is much harder.

Before we spend any money on restricting guns, I'd rather the money be spent on metal health, but even that will be very hard to use to specifically look for mass killers.

(PS, last year an average of 27 people died per day due to drunk driving. Mass murders are statistically very rare and an unlikely way to die compared to more mundane things that kill many more people. Last year nearly 3x more people were killed by cars. That is still a ton of unacceptable deaths by people with guns but it does help to keep some perspective.)
 

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I'm so sick of hearing "well if the teachers at the school had weapons, not as many children would have died", or "if the people in Aurora had had guns in the cinema, not as many people would have died." Siriously? You think primary school teachers should have guns? You think people should bring their guns to go to the movies, or the grocery market?

I hate to say it, but the gun debat happens everytime a shooting happens. Everyone debates for a few weeks, and then no one really talks about it anymore.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U_zu7PUvUU
 

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Ok let's not even think about if they should/shouldn't ban handguns. My question is how the heck are we going to round up all the handguns out there already? I don't see a logistical way you can. Almost everyone I know has a handgun.
 

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Ok let's not even think about if they should/shouldn't ban handguns. My question is how the heck are we going to round up all the handguns out there already? I don't see a logistical way you can. Almost everyone I know has a handgun.
I agree, I think in the US it's beyond repair... so it's just about management of what's already done.

Sad.
 

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as if it isn't it enough she is gone , now this. sickening , start ya own new thread to bash gun owners.
No one is bashing gun owners. No one wants to take away your guns. I think most people, who aren't "pro-gun" just want better/more gun regulations.
If someone wants to own a gun, sure, fine. Do I think they should keep their guns locked up at home so that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands on accident, yes. Do I think CC should not allowed, yes (esp. not in schools). (Seeing someone conceled carrying in a Virgina supermarket made me really uncomfortable) It's not my cup of tea.

Of course the incident was going to be dragged into this thread. The gun debat will be going all over the world again for the next few weeks. What happened in Newtown breaks my heart, but it also makes me really really angry that it was even possible. It breaks my heart for those children, those families and that community, and it angers me, because how many more have to die at the hand of a gun, until something is done?

I don't want to take responsible gun owners guns away. I just really wish it wasn't made so easy to buy a gun.
 

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