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Just popping in to say that Rubygirl, if you think dogs with serious aggression issues, particularly those related to fear/defensive aggression, that "aren't helped" by positive methods is going to be "cured" by leash jerks, hitting, kicking, "assertive touch", alpha rolling, and other physical punishment... your knowledge of dog behavior and behavior modification in general is laughable.
And that is said as someone who grew up with the archaic Koehler "method" (though I've never used the more extreme "methods" Koehler wrote about, for the record) and employs training tools like e-collars and prongs. Hell, I'm sure if people went back and read my older posts on other forums they'd see that I used to loathe all PR training because of my own...again, archaic...viewpoints as far as ever training with food was concerned. I still dislike some PR training; I'm not a big fan of training that never involves correction or allows the dog to decide when it wants to quit an exercise, for example. But seeing some of the amazing things people do with PR trained dogs and the behaviors that some of these dogs learn? And how quickly they learn them? Even I can't just say "that method of training is worthless and only used by furmommies." Nope, sorry, my head isn't that far up my ass and now I'M trying to incorporate more and more PR into my training as I learn.
There is a video on Youtube somewhere that I can't seem to find...I think Danefied posted it or showed me at some point, of...if I recall, a Terv? Problem solving, involving tubes and tennis balls. It was brilliant. I'd love to see a trainer kick or "assertive touch" a dog into being so relaxed and willfully engaging its mind like that. If someone has any idea as to what video I'm referring to please post it.