This is where the term "management" applies. Where a balanced trainer would ensure that the dog had a good "sit" and a good "off" trained well and then apply a small number of properly timed corrections to ensure that jumping on anyone was no longer self-rewarding, a PR trainer would develop an entire management scenario. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong.
First, as a PR trainer you shouldn't have to wonder whether I am quoting the Brelands or not.
I find it interesting that you can toss the information they gathered aside because it's "from the 1940's."
Actually it was from 1961.
Techniques have changed A LOT since the 1960s. The Brelands didn't have clickers. They didn't have conveniently packaged treats (the first dog clicker-trainers used a "clicker"-type thing with a spoon attached so they could spoon out canned dog food). Trainers and psychologists have learned a lot since them about reinforcement delivery, preventing behaviors from becomming habits, stimulus control, how/when to use the Premack Principle, etc. I'm not at all dismissing the Breland's Instinctive Drift theory, but I do believe that we've learned a lot over the last 50 years about how to handle it in dog training.
If you have read the book, you should know that the author spends a lot of time explaining how to use the Premack Principle to stop self-reinforcing behaviors.
If you've read "Don't Shoot The Dog," which I'm sure you have, you'll also know how Karen Pryor explains how putting a behavior on cue wth stimulus control does also serve to stop self-reinforcing behaviors. I've personally used both of these methods with great success with not only dogs I train myself, but with clients' dogs that I teach them how to train.
I used them in the same sentence because there are a lot of similarities, and this is one of them. Heck, I know positive reinforcement trainers who think that all bad behaviors should simply be ignored.
And honestly, I didn't see a lot of "balance" in this article. I came away from it with the impression that you believe that all bad behaviors can be solved with a collar pop. Again, if this is not what you intended, maybe you should edit it.
I've made over 5,000 posts on this forum, most about how to "prevent dogs from running amok." I was vague because this thread did not ask "What would you suggest instead??" but "What do you think of this article?" I explained what I thought of the article. Those on this forum who know me, know a lot of my methods and don't need to know what I'd suggest instead. If you want to start a new thread with a specific question about a specific dog doing something "amokly" I'll be more than happy to comment.
I haven't seen this article, if you'd like to provide a link I'll be happy to read it.
No I don't, please don't think that from one post you know me. I said I'm not opposed to prong collars, but I don't use them and wouldn't recommend them. I do think they're more humane and effective than choke chains, and I HAVE used choke chains.
Actually it was from 1961.
When your dog does something right he is rewarded. When he does something that you do not want him to do, he is ignored, reinforcements are withheld, or he is given a time-out. Like it or not, that is when and how the technique that you and your fellow PR trainers are using and defending.
As for "When Pigs Fly" I not only have read it, I own it. In fact, let me provide you a quote. Not only does Killion admit that positive punishment has it's place in certain situations, here's what she says about punishment in general:
If the behaviour is self reinforcing, as the Breland's point out, this method of intervention is not going to work. You are working on a reinforcement schedule that essentially has a red or a green button - and you have a dog whose own behaviour pushes the green button in his mind. Take away all the toys, treats and activities you want, that dog is still going to chase that cat if he is so inclined - simply because he's driven to - and it's fun!
When your dog does something right he is rewarded. When he does something that you do not want him to do, he is ignored, reinforcements are withheld, or he is given a time-out.
If you've read "Don't Shoot The Dog," which I'm sure you have, you'll also know how Karen Pryor explains how putting a behavior on cue wth stimulus control does also serve to stop self-reinforcing behaviors. I've personally used both of these methods with great success with not only dogs I train myself, but with clients' dogs that I teach them how to train.
The fact that you use "balanced" and "punishment based" in the same handful merely points out your ignorance.
And honestly, I didn't see a lot of "balance" in this article. I came away from it with the impression that you believe that all bad behaviors can be solved with a collar pop. Again, if this is not what you intended, maybe you should edit it.
As for how you prevent your dog from "running amok", please do share. I love the vagueness that comes from PR trainers...
Front clip harnesses are a death trap and far more inhumane (IMO) than most other tools available. I'm sure you'll LOVE my article on front-clip harnesses.
You yourself, Lizzy, use prong collars.